Kingmaker II-Game Over

[MrBuddyLee]

People acting weird:

pablito
MoS
Phoebus

[pablito]

I agree with MBL on that.

Also, more pressure on UberTimmy is good. I've been saying that for weeks now, glad to see someone finally see what I'd been saying.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why 'even Thok'?

Sorry about that, I meant to say you need good reasons for accusing someone. (My defence: vote counts are so confusing this game... I went by tone of posts instead of vote numbers )

Well, yes, his play could be different. But different play does not = scum or = town, it's just a matter of playstyle, not alignment.

That's exactly my point. the fact that he's playing differently does not in and of itself point towards a particular alignment, but if you look at the particular playstyle he's using, while it may not be optimal protown play, there are earmarks here and there that point to him being protown, as I've already pointed out.

I didn't say that Phoebus's play suggests that he is protown; I said that the interaction of his play with yours suggests that it's not the case that both of you are scum. I am not ready yet to rule out the case that your scumdar is just off.

Then why are you voting me, and not him? Clearly you are more inclined to believe I'm scum and he's town than vice versa.

[Glork]

Okay, okay, so I ended up going out with some friends and didn't get around to posting. I super-duper promise that I'll post Tuesday sometime. Before noon. I'm really sorry. I've just let this game slip and I hate it.

[Thok]

Whatever.

unvote MOS, unvote Amelislay, confirm vote Vaughn

Vaughn has made two posts in this game since I proclaimed that I wanted him executed (for his attack on PJ and his response to my defense), one asking me to explain why I wanted him dead and one saying "I'll catch up to this game", which was three days ago at the beginning of a weekend. He has also posted in Leekspin and Committee in that interval.

I am not willing to put up with Vaughn lurking in this game.

[spectrumvoid]

I don't like lurking too, but why pick on one when so many people are lurking too?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Because he also has a personal issue with Vaughn, since he had already asked for him to be executed.

[pablito]

I don't like the Vaughn lurking, but I don't find him scummy.

I'm currently buying the MoS argument regarding Phoebus.
I still don't see Phoebus as being more scummy than frustrating.

vote: Rosso Carne

for all the lurkers and non-posters I find his case the most compelling. He missed the original signup deadline and now that he's in the game, there's basically nothing of substance from him. I would've expected more passion from him in this specific game.

[Glork]

Assorted thoughts...

Rikimaru looks like a townie to me. Pablito listed possible suspicions of Riki in Post 89, but I basically disagree with him completely. I think that Riki's comment "I don't get it, are they distancing?" looks like curious, mildly-confused townie. Not scumbag planting the seeds of our demise.

I still don't know what to think of Pablito's defense of me. If he turns up town, I want him to explain this in postgame, because I really don't understand it.

Fritzler's pro-town, I think. And Cardboardbox strikes me as a pro-town newbie.

I really wanna vote MBL, but I don't think he's scum. I think he's acting like an idiot, and acting somewhat scummy... but I don't think he's scum. For now.

MoS is also a fucking moron. I don't like the "not voting" thing one bit. The "then read my posts and don't skim looking for votes" bit is bullshit. Votes, FoSes, IGMEOYs, and general suspicions are usually seen as different levels of suspicion. You should be making use of, at the very least, the first and the last. FoS/IGMEOY is optional, but they're pretty widely used and understood.

I wonder if Fritz's attacks on CrashTextDummie have some merit... I need to look into this later.

Thok doesn't sit well with me. I like Yos so far. The more I read, the less I like MoS's "I'm not going to vote" idea.

Is it just me or is the middle line of Post 199 teh ubar-scummy?

PJ's pro-town. End of story.

Pooky made a big ol' case against me in Post 211. I responded to this case in Post 218. To my knowledge, Pooky never responded to my rebuttal. That don't sit well with me.

Vote: Pooky

at least until I get a follow-up from him. I don't like when people go out of their way to make a case against someone and then just drop that case completely.

Post 225 just irritates me. I was being a bit immature (though I maintain that I meant no harm with my comments). Pablito's comment that I'm "trying to improve on [my] performance from Kingmaker the first" doesn't even apply.

:goodposting: by 'Slay.

For all the attention that bird1111 has gotten, I really don't have a reading on him either way. I just don't get anything from his posts. *Shrug*

Posts 248/249 reiterate my opinoin that MBL is being moronic. But moronic MBL usually means pro-town MBL. Usually.

Rosso's general hostility towars me doesn't surprise me (heck, his sig contains a completely unprovoked "glork sucks" quote), but I don't really like it. What I *do* find suspicious, though, is Post 277. I've already stated why I think Pooky may be scum. The fact that Rosso is quoting an overstated and completely-abandoned case with a mere ":goodposting:" makes me wonder. I'll

Vote: Rosso Carne

for good measure. Post 278 isn't very reassuring. "PJ is scum, no doubt about it"? I believe there is a great deal of doubt surrounding PJ's alignment.

I

really

don't like Post 289. I can't really explain why.

IGMEOY: Thok

.

In response to MBL's Post 317: Did you ever read Graduation Mafia? Rosso acted like a freaking moron in that game, and he was scum then. I think he's just a moron in general.

Don't like Rosso's excuse in Post 322. I will also note that his promise to elaborate went completely unfulfilled.

Confirm Vote: Rosso

The only person on PJ's initial LoE that I really advocate lynching today would be ChannelDelibird. Pablito is still an enigma to me, and I'm irritated with Phoebus' attitude. And as I said before, I just don't see the birdwagon.

Vote: CrashTextDummie

. Placeholder vote. I'm thinking Fritz may have found something, and I want to investigate what that something is.

Post 380 looks so laaaaazy!

FoS: Pablito

. I'm feeling a little better about his place on the LoE.

I pretty much agree with Post 398 completely. Finally MBL doesn't act like a lazy goof and his suspicions make sense. They pretty much parallel how I feel.

*SMACK* MoS for Post 405. For someone who's justifying his not-voting in part by telling people to read the entire game/thread carefully, he's not doing a very good job of it himself.


That's about it.



I'd like to see an execution out of one of the following: ChannelDelibird, Pooky, Rosso, Pablito, CrashTextDummie.

[Thok]

If I am at the IGMEOY level with Glrok, then I'm quite happy with my posting/observations.

Do you have any thoughts on Vaughn?

[Glork]

Not really. Vaughn's tough for me to read. I don't want him dead yet, though. He hasn't done anything to strike me as particularly scummy.

[Yosarian2]

(shrug) With no night info at all and not even much of a voting record, every person who's not contributing is a major strike against the town. If the kings' not going to kill my primary suspect Phoebus, I wouldn't mind him killing any of the lurkers, including Vaughn. Semi-lurkers contribute absolutly nothing to the town this game, not even a vote.

[Glork]

If that's the criteria, I'd advocate a Pooky execution

MUCH

more than a Vaughn execution. Pooky has feigned participation a couple of times, but doesn't seem to actually be doing anything.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*SMACK* MoS for Post 405. For someone who's justifying his not-voting in part by telling people to read the entire game/thread carefully, he's not doing a very good job of it himself.

I only said that because people complained about not being able to read me because I'm not voting. Everyone else is voting, and I already know where I stand, so the comment didn't apply to me.

[Glork]

[cardb0ardb0x]

why hasn't ubertimmy said anything? by the way, is there any particular reason why his avatar is pretty much the same as shadowlurker's?

[pablito]

I'd also be for a Pooky execution more than a Vaughn execution. Then again, I'd be for a lot more executions than a Vaughn one.

[Mastermind of Sin]

why hasn't ubertimmy said anything? by the way, is there any particular reason why his avatar is pretty much the same as shadowlurker's?

It's the other way around.

[Fritzler]

Fritzler's pro-town, I think. And Cardboardbox strikes me as a pro-town newbie.

duh

I wonder if Fritz's attacks on CrashTextDummie have some merit... I need to look into this later.

everything i say has intrinsic merit

Vote: CrashTextDummie

. Placeholder vote. I'm thinking Fritz may have found something, and I want to investigate what that something is.

duh

I'd like to see an execution out of one of the following:

ChannelDelibird, Pooky, Rosso, Pablito,

CrashTextDummie.

fixed

[Fritzler]

ps check out the sig

[petroleumjelly]

Ugh. I certainly wish these analyses had been done earlier, so I don't only have one real life day to consider them. I will be finished with my chemistry laboratory tomorrow hopefully around 6:00 pm PST.

Mod

, what time zone is the deadline in? Can I have until 11:59 pm

my

time?

Also, I think I am going to have to do away with my LoE. I suppose it served a purpose, but many of the newest suggestions for execution are not players on my LoE at all, and include things I hadn't really noticed (or at least did not saw the possible significance of) originally, but are things I feel I need to consider.

I can no longer guarantee that my choice of execution will be somebody from my current List. This would not have been the case if I was not under a deadline, where I would simply have revised my List and worked from there, so hopefully nobody holds that against me. I still think the system works as a general guideline, but under a deadline I feel like it is unraveling and might restrict my options.

I will try to gather my thoughts at the moment (although I will try to spend all the time possible to review the game tomorrow after chemistry). As you can tell, there are still a number of people I have not reviewed in great detail, and they will be categorized in the middle section. I

may

execute one of them if I see a compelling case against one of them, but I do already have a few people I think would make better choices of an execution.

People I Will Not Execute

Thok
Glork
Mastermind of Sin
Fritzler
MrBuddyLee
Cardb0ardb0x
Pablito

People I Do Not Strongly Consider for Execution

AmeliaSlay
ChannelDelibird
Dead Rikimaru
Machiavellian-Mafia
Mert
Nightson
PookytheMagicalBear
spectrumvoid
Twomz
UberTimmy
Vaughn
Yosarian2

People I Strongly Consider for Execution

Phoebus
Bird1111
Rosso Carne

I also think I should detail my thoughts on Bird1111 a little bit more, since people either seem to not get my case or do not feel it has much merit. Simply put:

Bird1111 began the game with something like a "projected" OMGUS, voting Glork because he voted for

me

. I just took it as a way for him to endear himself into my good graces, or something. Maybe I was reading too much into it at first, but then Bird1111 votes Pablito here:

Unvote, Vote pablito, partly because he asked for it, partly because he's defending Glork

And this vote seems to have a somewhat legitimate basis. Later, Bird1111 comes back with a revote on Glork (which tells me that his vote

should

express at least some actual suspicion, else he should not replace a random vote when he already has a reasoned vote). When I asked him about this strange ordering of votes, and after minimal pressure, we have:

Come to think of it, I did go too far with my joke votes Unvote Glork Unvote Pablito

Which I am not feeling is completely true (given the vote on Pablito), and even if this

is

true, I think it is rather scummy. Coming to the thread simply to unvote without offering anything more to the game does nothing to make me believe somebody is more likely to be town. I am also getting a vibe of "don't pay attention to me", especially considering the fact that Bird1111 has not posted for

over twenty days

, but has posted elsewhere on Mafia Scum. I have a hard time reading lurkers, so if worse comes to worse, I have no problem in having them replaced, or culling them off. Lurkers who I also consider to be scummy (and by way of lurking have avoided recent detection) only strengthens my general policy.

Mod

,

if

I do not execute Bird1111 today, can he be replaced by somebody more active?

[Twomz]

lol

I've been having a hard time gathering thoughts on people in this game for some reason. Sorry i haven't been posting as much as i normally do.

[Glork]

Mod, what time zone is the deadline in? Can I have until 11:59 pm my time?

Considering both you and BMQ live on the west coast of the U.S., I'm guessing that the deadline is set for 11:59 PM PST. I could be mistaken, though. *Shrug*

[Fritzler]

People I Will Not Execute

Thok
Glork
Mastermind of Sin
Fritzler
MrBuddyLee
Cardb0ardb0x
Pablito

People I Do Not Strongly Consider for Execution

AmeliaSlay
ChannelDelibird
Dead Rikimaru
Machiavellian-Mafia
Mert
Nightson
PookytheMagicalBear
spectrumvoid
Twomz
UberTimmy
Vaughn
Yosarian2

People I Strongly Consider for Execution

Phoebus
Bird1111
Rosso Carne

the lack of CTD on any list is extremely suspect

[petroleumjelly]

Jeez, that was silly. Thought I had included everybody.

People I Will Not Execute

Thok
Glork
Mastermind of Sin
Fritzler
MrBuddyLee
Cardb0ardb0x
Pablito

People I Do Not Strongly Consider for Execution

AmeliaSlay
ChannelDelibird

CrashTextDummie

Dead Rikimaru
Machiavellian-Mafia
Mert
Nightson
PookytheMagicalBear
spectrumvoid
Twomz
UberTimmy
Vaughn
Yosarian2

People I Strongly Consider for Execution

Phoebus
Bird1111
Rosso Carne