Mini 370: Reverse Mafia - Game Over!

[chaotic_diablo]

The cop is not always the best choice. For instance, if we revive you now, then there could be a one-shot scum player who could kill you immediately after. That just makes the revival a waste of time. The reason why we revive people who are anonymous is to keep scum guessing. Even if you claim cop, we don't have enough information to make the timing or the preparations to revive you safely. We've discussed this as a town for several pages, but it's all just theory. The safe approach would be to not rush the bandwagon, but make sure it is the right revival.

vote Zindaras

I'm good with his answer.

[al_kohaulec]

Since everybody is suggesting plans, I’d like to suggest TheManHimself is investigated tonight, and that he then blocks Yosarian for all eternity.

(shrug) Well, it's be better to revive the doc first, because that should ensure the cop stays alive for a while at least, while a roleblocker would only have a chance at stopping any kill. But once the roleblocker is revived, sure, I'd expect him to block either me or Tamuz.

I think I mentiond reviving the doc first, but not investigating right away. Yes it'd be taking a risk, but if he's the only doc claim, I was thinking it might be a risk worth taking, but that's my opinion, and why I wanted input first. Zindaras seems to have his own plan, and although his play seems much different then I'm used to, I'm sort of suspicious of it, but the cop claim is the only thing that makes me still agree with him. I'll be ready to vote and let the three revived players do their thing as soon as our last two players check in.

[Zindaras]

I think I mentiond reviving the doc first, but not investigating right away. Yes it'd be taking a risk, but if he's the only doc claim, I was thinking it might be a risk worth taking, but that's my opinion, and why I wanted input first. Zindaras seems to have his own plan, and although his play seems much different then I'm used to, I'm sort of suspicious of it, but the cop claim is the only thing that makes me still agree with him. I'll be ready to vote and let the three revived players do their thing as soon as our last two players check in.

How is my play so much different from what you're used to?

Also,

Unvote

. Lordy still has to check in.

There will be no Night 1 deaths, so I have a guaranteed investigation. I will not investigate Twito, as the circumstances in which he claimed are much different from the circumstances theman claimed in.

Themanhimself is not a godfather. Twito can be.

[ChannelDelibird]

Too late, Zindaras - you've been revived and the day draws to an end.

Final Vote Count:

Zindaras- 7 (CrashTextDummie, Zindaras, Yosarian2, StallingChamp, Twito, M4yhem, chaotic_diablo)

Not voting (5): Sherlock, Tamuz, lordy, al_kohaulec, Thoth

It is now Night 1.

Any player permitted to make a night choice in their current state may send me their choices before

Thursday 12th October, 18:00 GMT

.

[ChannelDelibird]

Night draws to a close and the sun rises.

It is now Day 1. From now on, only living players may vote. With 3 alive it's 2 to revive.

I have devised a method for the limbo players to express their view. I call it Karma.

If you feel someone is scummy, you may give them

Bad Karma

. This will reduce their 'karma score' by 1, even if it goes into negative numbers.
If you feel someone is behaving well, you may give them

Good Karma

. This will increase their 'karma score' by 1.
I will keep track of every player's karma score alongside vote counts.
You can only ever give a player 1 point of karma either way.

Have fun!

[ChannelDelibird]

Note: you may also give karma to multiple people, as they work like FoSes and don't count towards lynches.

[Zindaras]

Pfft. 3 hours too late.

>.>
<.<

Sooo, I found Town in Sherlock, who, according to CD, but not according to the OP, replaced theman.

I think it would be best to revive him, though I'd like to hear some actual opinions by other people as well.

[ChannelDelibird]

6 PM GMT was 59 minutes ago.

I was 49 minutes late, I'll grant you.

[Zindaras]

6 PM GMT was 59 minutes ago.

I was 49 minutes late, I'll grant you.

Oh yeah. One hour because I'm GMT+1, one hour because the DST settings are being retarded.

[al_kohaulec]

yay, day.

Ok, so now that N1 has passed, the mafia can gain the ability to kill any night.

So two options I see are either:
a.) Revive Sherlock, our roleblocker, and he proceeds to block either Yos or Tamuz. Or
b.) Revive Twito, assuming he's the doctor, and have him protect our cop while we look into reviving Sherlock tomorrow.

[Zindaras]

I'm against reviving Twito and will not vote him.

[al_kohaulec]

I'm curious as to why specifically.

And if that's the case, then I see the only option being reviving the roleblocker. Well, not the only option, but the best one. I like it better because he's guaranteed innocent, but I like the doctor idea just for added protection, but it's going a bit on faith.

[Zindaras]

This is very paranoid and such, but it's my theory, and I like theories.

Now, we have this game here. We have a limbo Cop. Such a powerful role needs balancing.

How better to balance it than not putting in a doc and giving doc to the Mafia as safe claim?

I don't like the situation in which Twito claimed. Theman's claim was in a far more neutral position. As godfather, claiming doc would be a good move.

[al_kohaulec]

Ah, the situation in which he claimed to me sounded like it was in the town's best interests as he could protect you, but I can see how a godfather would like to claim doc, especially if it was given as a safe claim. I see your point.

So ya, I'm for the revival of our RB.

[Zindaras]

I'm definitely willing to see the possibility of him being Town, but there's also a chance of him being Godfather, and I'd rather not risk it.

[M4yhem]

<3 CDb.

Bad Karma

: Chaotic Diablo, based on past behaviour.

I think Sherlock is a fairly good choice for revival. His claim would have been a very bold for scum, seeing as he was first to claim, and could easily have been counterclaimed. Plus our uncounter-claimed cop has found him town. There is the issue of sanity, but isn't it normal for there to be multiple cops, if sanity is an issue?

Besides, I don't really remember Sherlock's previous identity doing anything suspicious, or much of anything at all really, after his claim. Certainly I see no reason to suspect him.

Zindaras- Is there anything in the wording of your pm that indicates sanity is an issue? Have you asked CDb if you are sane? Can you investigate the living? Are there any limitations to your power?

Good Karma

: Sherlock

I think it would be somewhat foolish not to revive a cop-identified innocent.
There aren't that many other choices anyway. I find Al's pushing of Twito weird; perhaps he knows something the rest of us don't?

Although he sort of has a point, in that if Twito was revived and Zindaras died, there would be one suspect; if Sherlock was revived, and Zindaras died, there would be two suspects (Sherlock and whoever he didn't block). So scum-Twito would be unlikely to kill the cop, for a fair amount of time.

I haven't really found Twito suspicious so far; mainly because he was against the Yos revival. Actually, I'm not sure if the timing of his claim was that suspicious; if he had been godfather, with a known safe claim, I don't see what he would have lost by coming out earlier.

Other the other hand, I would argue that the chance of preventing a kill completely, is better for the town as a whole that just stopping kills on one person. So that's a point in favour of Sherlock.

Tamuz- Would you rather have yourself, or Yos, be roleblocked? Give reasons.
Yos - Same question, names reversed.

Bad Karma

: Yosarian2

Good Karma

:Zindaras

[Zindaras]

Zindaras- Is there anything in the wording of your pm that indicates sanity is an issue?

I think I have said this before, but no.

Have you asked CDb if you are sane?

Now I have. >.>

Can you investigate the living?

Yes, I can.

Are there any limitations to your power?

No. I'm just that awesome.

Although he sort of has a point, in that if Twito was revived and Zindaras died, there would be one suspect; if Sherlock was revived, and Zindaras died, there would be two suspects (Sherlock and whoever he didn't block). So scum-Twito would be unlikely to kill the cop, for a fair amount of time.

Ah, there is, however, one thing to note:

Sherlock can't be a godfather. A godfather-roleblocker? It would be quite silly of a godfather to claim roleblocker. Also, I think the Mafia would gladly trade one of its own for a (sane) limbo cop.

[StallingChamp]

If the cop got a "town" on the claimed role-blocker (who claimed very quickly for a scum hoping he wouldn't be counter-claimed), I am all for reviving him. But just to get a general idea of possible sanity issues, should any other cops claim now, if any?

for now,

Good Karma: Sherlock

[al_kohaulec]

any other cops should've claimed before we revived Zindie. Reason being if there are other cops out there, then that greatly complicates this whole plan and everything.

M4yhem, why did you wait until

after

Zindie was revived to ask him all of those questions?

[Tamuz]

Unless we get a 100% certain investigation on Twito I'd rather not vote him. As I've already commented on his claim and the circumstances, it seems way too forced.

Oh yeah and if we have other cops counter claims now please.. ya know incase 1 of the 2 revived so far is mafia the best thing for other mafia members to do right now is try to claim good power role and hope to be revived.

You mean like you just did with your doctor claim?

So thats that in my eyes.

The actions and investigation of Sherlock are a very very strong case for him. But I'd like to mull over it for a while. I would very much not want to place my trust so easily in Zindaras (as much for the player as the role). But the fact that there are no other claimed tier 1 investigation roles gives me to reason that said trust would be well placed.
The one problem is the Sherlock essentiall flew under the radar so our information on him is very limited beyond his role and his cop-given 'innocence'.

Tamuz- Would you rather have yourself, or Yos, be roleblocked? Give reasons.

This question goes many ways. One way I'd say I'd rather be blocked, because I'm vanilla and if Yos has actions (this I don't know) then I wouldn't want to mess up these actions if they were pro-town. However, if Yos has actions and they weren't pro-town, I would obviously want him to be blocked. But, of course, I really don't know either way so I would personally prefer to play it safe. And because I know roleblocking me wouldn't do anything but I don't know that roleblocking Yos wouldn't prevent a kill. Therefore I'd much rather have Yos be blocked than myself because from my perspective that is playing safe opposed to risky but possible beneficial.

Alko, they may not have been equally relevant when he didn't have a result that the game may or may not rely on.

[StallingChamp]

Wait, so you don't want the cop-cleared roleblocker to be revived?

[chaotic_diablo]

bad karma m4yhem

Rushing the bandwagon, then asks questions when they could have been answered before. Even worse is the fact that some of those questions have already been asked

and

answered.

I agree with not reviving twito due to investigative immune godfathers, but I'm not that much convinced to revive sherlock yet. We still need to hear from him.

[al_kohaulec]

Alko, they may not have been equally relevant when he didn't have a result that the game may or may not rely on.

Maybe, but I wanna hear his reasons.

[Yosarian2]

Yeah, like I mentioned yesterday, it is possible twito is a godfather. The fact that he claimed so quick and wasn't couterclaimed is a point in his favor, but as you say the scum could have gotten doc as a safe claim.

I'd be willing to support reviving the man himself/shamrock.

[Twito]

The changes of me being godfather are no bigger really than themanhimself being godfather.

I just hope that our cop is real and not given safeclaim If that's the case then I think we will lose.. It's so easy for him to 'make investigations' on his scum buddies and get them revived.

Right now I'm just gonna believe that we have real cop and be in the favor of revival of themanhimself(=Sherlock?).

I have no rush in being revived I have claimed doctor at the time it was requested and I haven't been counterclaimed. You make your decision of when I should be revived.

Good Karma Sherlock