Mini #381-Werewolf: Cancelled

[StallingChamp]

Trabony, you do realize that I said that Coolbot and Jack were giving off pro-town vibes, right?

Also, I will say this a second time,

any discussion about my slaking_master account DOES NOT BELONG HERE.

[Atticus]

Hellloooooooo scum! Okay trabony, I'm willing to vote him now.

Unvote,

again

Vote: StallingChamp

, again.

[Atticus]

Also, people are allowed to talk about whatever may be influencing the game, if they think it could help.

Try and see it through our eyes.

In 373, you quote your whole mod post and show your partners, everyone is severely pissed off.

You claim yyour brother did it.

You come here, and you claim scum.

Now how pissed off do you think we are?

[Elias_the_thief]

Gah. Metagaming is annying. Which game?

It was in my newbie game. I dont remember the number though. It was like 2 weeks ago.

[Elias_the_thief]

Well, since I haven't been playing long enough to experience the infamous slaking_master scandal, and since I myself have a brother (who plays on 'scum) who would do something like that, I can understand your position and don't think I'll vote you. Although I'd say it was pretty stupid to tell everyone that youre the same person and then go on to say something like that.
anyways, I'll leave it at an

FOS: Stalling_Champ

for now.

[CoolBot]

any discussion about my slaking_master account DOES NOT BELONG HERE

It most certainly does. You're exhibiting odd behavior that's happened before. Why wouldn't we take that in account?

[Green Crayons]

I personally don't see a connection between Stalling's previous games and this one in the sense of what he did in order to "stimulate conversation," as I'm apt to give him the benefit of the doubt that his brother is a complete douchebag. However, assuming that it wasn't his brother last time, one also has to look at the context in which he posted his role: he thought he was quitting mafiascum, and went a stupid way about ending his presence in the game. I don't see the connection between the context/reasoning of his actions in that game and the one here - In that game, he exposed his role for reasons outside of the game (no time to play mafia); in this game, he exposed his "role" for reasons inside the game (trying to stimulate discussion)... two totally different realms of reasoning. Point being, that while I still find the rediculous scum-claim to be incredibly suspicious and stupid (in the sense of trying to promote positive discussion), I simultaneously find anyone who is attempting to throw suspicion on him for actions done in a previous game that have no direct (or even indirect) connection in regards to the context/reasoning of his actions in this game to be incredibly suspicious inandof themselves.

While I won't be shedding any tears if/when Stalling gets strung up, I also don't want the day to end quite yet - and I think we're still going simply due to a technicality: trabony simply wrote Stalling's name in bold, he didn't put "Vote: name." As such, I'm assuming he actually

did

want to vote Stalling, and since I don't want a lynch to occur at this moment because I do think some productive conversation is still a viable option (assuming he'll come back and fix his mistake and properly put a vote on Stalling),

unvote: Stalling

.

Atticus: Who were you referecing by "Scagain" in post 74?

[Rathyr]

The "Hilarity Ensues" vote count

Lowell (1) -

Echo419

Jack (1) -

Elias_the_thief

Coolbot (1) -

conflux

Elias_the_thief (1) -

Lowell

Atticus (1) -

StallingChamp

StallingChamp (4) -

Atticus, Trabony, Jack, CoolBot

With eleven alive it will take six votes to lynch.

[Green Crayons]

Eh, I got confused on the vote counts and didn't bother to manually double check. I'll still withhold my vote at the moment, as while I'm comfortable with four votes on a person (specifically, on Stalling), five is just pushing it when I'm hoping to see more conversation come from the day.

[trabony]

I certainly made up for not contributing didn't I?Stalling didn't you FOS Jack and Coolbot? I'm pretty sure you did.

[trabony]

I didn't even see that post where he "reveals" himself, what the hell are you doing Stalling?

[Lowell]

unvote, VOTE stallingchamp

You guys are overthinking this.

Stalling, if you want to claim something other than scum, now is the time.

[CoolBot]

Green Crayon, in both games he claimed scum. In the previous one, he was scum. Seems clear enough to me.

[Green Crayons]

No, the difference isn't the action itself, is where the reason for the action came from. Last time, the reason was for real life reasons - he was too busy and wanted out of the game, and did it in the worst way possible. This time he's doing it for in game reasons - he supposedly wanted to stir up discussion. You can't connect the two because the realm of his reasoning behind the actions don't match up.

Out of game reasons for actions are usually disregarded in mafia play, because they're just that - stupid reasons outside of the game itself. The fact that last time his out of game reasoning was exceptionally stupid and the action he took even moreso doesn't excuse this principle from gameplay.

[Jack]

Hmm no I agree with Green Crayons

unvote

Stalling is very suspicious but I see no reason to end the day this early. In fact Lowell's 5th vote with no reason attached makes me more suspicious. Isn't 4 enough to push for a claim?

[Echo419]

You would think so, wouldn't you? My vote stays, I was considering unvoting but Lowell's rather bandwagony post did it.

[Atticus]

Well, since I haven't been playing long enough to experience the infamous slaking_master scandal, and since I myself have a brother (who plays on 'scum) who would do something like that, I can understand your position and don't think I'll vote you. Although I'd say it was pretty stupid to tell everyone that youre the same person and then go on to say something like that.
anyways, I'll leave it at an

FOS: Stalling_Champ

for now.

This doesn't dissuade my opinion that you are scum.

Green Crayons, "Scagain" is meant to say "SC, again"

Jack, StallingChamp already claimed, he claimed scum.

[Jack]

Yes and then he claimed that was a false claim...lowell was saying time to claim a "real" claim.

[Green Crayons]

Green Crayons, "Scagain" is meant to say "SC, again"

Oh, indeed so. I don't catch the small things, apparently. So what was it about Stalling's post 75 that made you go from not wanting to vote SC (post 74) to convinced he was scum (post 76)?

[Elias_the_thief]

Green Crayons is definately right about this whole thing. Stalling really shouldnt be our day 1 lynch, unless he exhibits further scummy behavior. I find the people still pushing for lynch (coolbot and lowell) to be the most scummy of all right now.

[StallingChamp]

Ok, I FoSed everyone who took the "claim" as an excuse to vote for me. Until then (as I said in the "claim" post) I thought Coolbot and Jack seemed the cleanest.

Discussion about s_m certainly doens't belong here. I challenge any of you to find a real correlation between the two games. For the sake of this discussion, feel free to assume that it was me who outed bird and Jack.

Back on topic, I find Lowell incredibly suspicious for poushing my wagon so hard, and I think Atticus is stupid to think that I reallt claimed scum.

Vote: Lowell, UnFoS: Jack

.

Lowell has become immensly scummy from pushing my wagon, and Jack seems to be thinking that just maybe I am not a stupid scum [/saracsm].

As for my claim, I am vanilla townie.

[trabony]

Stalling how is claiming that you're scum going to start discussion?

[Atticus]

A connection between the two? You told us you were scum in both.

Slaking_master does not belong here? Well, in all honesty, your past, assuming that there's a pattern, show's that you are scum if you say you are. If you're scum, how does coming to that conclusion not belong here?

Only the scums have something to hide. All townies are open to any discussion, or should be. If you don't want to talk about your follies, what makes you not scum?

[CoolBot]

Stalling, of course you claimed scum. Here, I'll quote it for you:

At this point, I think it is warranted to let everybody know that I am scum. Do not lynch me and I will send in a no-kill every night.

Your attempts to rewrite history isn't exactly filling me with confidence about you.

[Echo419]

Gah. I don't know who is scummier. I'm going to review the game, a little of it as there is. Expect a vote next post. Oh yeah, and

Unvote

till I come to a more final conclusion.