In post 535, Baby Spice wrote:In post 395, Tammy wrote:
Okay so beyond this rather flaccid rundiwn of the mehdi wagon where you don't seem to actually come to any evaluations, what is p with your super duper laser focus on johhog? So, you say insults are a pet peeve, do you actually find that a scummy action or are you just pointing out what you don't like about johhog? You say his vote is terribad, but why is it?
Oh nice one, delete the evaluations and claim I didn't make any. Ok, Vi and Snowstorms' evaluations are "soft" perhaps, but there. Then insult my post. I do find casual insults scummy. Johhog's ranting ones in #87 is at least genuine.
Continuously insulting someone to try and upset them and degenerate an discussion into an insult match though, regardless is really really scummy. Especially if you've looked at my past games. Hint, it's why there's a year long gap in me playing.
Not saying that that is what you're doing but I don't remember you insulting many other people.
I've said why Johhog's vote is terribad a few times now. #109, #186, #276
I did not insult you. Your post read more as a summary and busy work.
Never mind on the johhog vote...wires crossed. I was referring to johhogs empire vote and didn't make that clear.
baby wrote:
I don't see how mehdi, and apparently you to, can't see the town motivation in johhogs vote and reasoning on empire. That you both seem to be willfully misinterpreting the issue and refusing to listen to the widely accepted definitions of things and are instead sticking to your thought up definitions makes no town sense to me. I see the scum sense though.
I have no understanding of what you are getting at. Have I even mentioned Johhog's vote on Empire? I was saving that for day 2 since we looked like getting a flip from someone on that Empire wagon. But.
I will mention Johhog's vote on that wagon now. It sucked. It was bad. It was predicated on Empire knowing how NS played. If NS had not made the "Nothing to fear" comment, then Empire's vote would have been bad and Johhog reasonable. But NS' comment is suspicious. It could easily have been scum coaching scum.
Yes NS is an "easy target" and normally opportunistic votes on them are bad, but as someone said sometimes the easy targets are actually scum. Not that I'm saying NS is scum. Too early to tell with him.
In essence, running up a wagon on somebody because they voted an "easy target" falls into that voting an easy target meme itself.
This puts SAD, MoI, and Medhi in a bad light too btw.
Well johhogs empire vote was rather important as it was the basis for which mehdi voted johhog. At least with you saying it was bad, you are discussing the situation in the same light as everyone else. And true it was predicated on empire knowing that and if there was no follow up maybe it would be really bad, but johhog asked two follow up questions of empire - if he had ever played with ns and if he knew he was an easy target.
Does AA coming back town change your view of nobody specials comment to him. What are your thoughts on nobody special?
baby wrote:
I also don't understand how you can't see my point. Mehdi voted empire for a scummy reason, or at least for a really bad and flimsy one, changed his mind and immediately started scum hunting the wagon he had just been on before really anyone had a chance to update their reads. He then picked the most townie vote on empire and calls it the scummiest. He then has not listened to why his interpretation is incorrect. I can't follow this thought process nor can I see the town motivation here.
I can't see you're point. Granted Medhi's vote on Empire wasn't great. None of them were. But why is Medhi scummy for realizing that his vote was bad and changing it? Why is Johhog's vote the "most town", because it wasn't. It was the worst. Why was Medhi's actions there different from any of his other actions in this game, or others that he is playing/has played?
I don't think his interpretation was wrong, I think yours is. But then several of your interpretations are wrong Tammy
Mehdi wasn't scummy for realizing his vote was bad and changing it; I didn't like how he immediately scum read the wagon he was on just minutes before and before any of those other people had a chance to rethink empire like mehdi did. We'll just have to agree to disagree on johhogs vote, but why isn't MoI's the worst?
My main problem with mehdi's interpretation was that we weren't using the same definition for what we were arguing and therefore couldn't come to an understanding.
It's fine if some of my interpretations are wrong. It's bound to happen when you don't actually know anything. How do you know that my interpretations are wrong though? If you're just as uninformed as I am, you wouldn't *know* if I'm wrong or right.
baby wrote:
Why is mehdi such a strong town read for you that you're working so hard for him?
And also, by the way, it is not scummy to vote without a reason. Any halfway competent person can give a reason for why they would vote before hand and ont need to make one up afterwards. It's got nothing to do with nice. This is mafia not the miss congeniality pageant, and voting without reason can garner some interesting reactions. But this is entering MD territory.
Answered in #489.
Please explain the towniness of voting without a reason. Note, not voting without giving a reason, but voting without a reason.
I'm not sure what the thread difference of that is. In any case, both ways, you could be gauging reactions, and that's town.
If you don't like votes without reasons, how come you never said anything about the votes on empire for no reason? SAD cots empire without A reason but then gave a reason after mehdi asked. But moi also vote empire without a reason. What is your read on moi?
