Mini 1397: War is Hell (Game Over)

[kanyeknowsbest]

lets get a heal asap lambda. i seen you browsing not 20 minutes ago (coincidentally after your timer was already up)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tierce, you're right, somewhat. Everyone should still hurt and I'll explain after.

[Tierce]

...I still think Heals are way better than Hurts at present. I've explained why; look at it, see if you disagree and then come back to me. I don't need you to say why you think Hurts are better than Heals (save that for later), just... please check what I wrote to make sure you're not wrong in your reasoning and then let me know if Hurts > Heals or Heals > Hurts.

About four hours to go for me and maaan does time drag in this airport.

[Zdenek]

I have found incredibly obv scum. When are e allowed to start talking?

[Zdenek]

Kinetic, how come you decided to out the amount of rage that you picked up?

[Kinetic]

hurt:Tierce

That should be me coming off my cooldown, and if everything has gone right, no one should have any hurts right now, except for myself from Albert's hurt, but I can't heal myself... I'll heal you in a moment Tierce.

[Tierce]

in a moment

?

I know I don't live in linear time, but I thought I was the only one...?

[Kinetic]

in a moment

?

I know I don't live in linear time, but I thought I was the only one...?

In 24 hours if you prefer.

[Tierce]

I was thinking I had gone deranged somewhere along the airport wait.

I have an alarm set to 26 minutes from now. I'll take care of that Hurt.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lets get a heal asap lambda. i seen you browsing not 20 minutes ago (coincidentally after your timer was already up)

I've been offline the entire day.

Heal: Tierce

[Tierce]

HEAL: Kinetic

[MattP]

I submitted my rage at 10:19PM EST (49 mins from now)

I'll heal then

[Zdenek]

LLD's last visited time, Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:07 pm, with what Kanye is saying (I'm in east).

Kinetic, I'd like you to answer my questions, especially the one about you talking about rage.

[Zdenek]

That should have said EST, not east.

[Kinetic]

LLD's last visited time, Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:07 pm, with what Kanye is saying (I'm in east).

Kinetic, I'd like you to answer my questions, especially the one about you talking about rage.

Zd: What are you talking about?

[Kinetic]

MATT, HURT/HEAL, RIGHT NOW. DO IT.

[Kinetic]

It's too late, now it doesn't matter. Matt: You are lying. I think I've found the whole scum group. More in about 10 minutes.

[Zdenek]

Kinetic,

I'm ok with Albert/Matt/Yos doing that though. Its a smaller group, that would be 9 damage which should all be used up without us worrying about someone getting any refunded rage and throwing things off too.

You guessed that ABR, Matt and Yos would have combined 9 rage, implying that you received 3. I'm wondering why you did this because if you are town, it let scum know how much rage town had, and it's odd that you would have done it considering your current demand that we all remain silent.

At the time, I thought it pretty townie, because I was surprised when I got to 3 rage rather than 2, and sort figured that scum probably wouldn't divulge that number because it may have been different for town; however, after what's been happening with these current plans, it seems really strange that you would have made that post.

[Tierce]

Can I make a suggestion?

Please explain everything in the next... say, 15-45 minutes. The sofa breakfast areas open at that time and I haven't slept in a very long time, so that's looking really really tempting. The only area presently open is already filled with sleeping people who look oh so comfortable, and I could do with a 3-4h nap.

(Also, I have a rant at Kinetic ready to post because that's how I roll. If I can't yell at my scumreads, I end up slapping people.)

/ramble mode

[kanyeknowsbest]

eagerly anticipating.

[Kinetic]

Kinetic,

I'm ok with Albert/Matt/Yos doing that though. Its a smaller group, that would be 9 damage which should all be used up without us worrying about someone getting any refunded rage and throwing things off too.

You guessed that ABR, Matt and Yos would have combined 9 rage, implying that you received 3. I'm wondering why you did this because if you are town, it let scum know how much rage town had, and it's odd that you would have done it considering your current demand that we all remain silent.

At the time, I thought it pretty townie, because I was surprised when I got to 3 rage rather than 2, and sort figured that scum probably wouldn't divulge that number because it may have been different for town; however, after what's been happening with these current plans, it seems really strange that you would have made that post.

Ok. We just got rage again, which means that everyone now has 3 rage points. Scum might have more, if they get rage for killing people.

This puts us into dangerous terratory, where scum might be able to ragedump and kill someone. I would like to suggest that we should have everyone who is considered suspicious, everyone who has been voted for today (which should be me, MattP, Kinetic, and Albert; I think that's it, if I missed anyone let me know) dump their rage on Scooby as soon as we decide to kill him. We should do it one by one, and then Flay's damage count should let us keep track of that.

This does two things. If we can make one or two scum dump all their rage, then that should make it impossible for them to just ragedump and kill someone in the near future. Also, if we do this and then the scum ragedump, it should be much easier to figure out who it is by process of elimination.

Am I missing anything here, or is this a good plan?

Right before the post you quoted. Yos confirming "town" have 3 rage.

We all had 3 rage Zd at that point. We started with one. We had had two cycles at that point which were public rage gatherings. Matt and Yos have they had 3 rage then as well (with their rage attacks on Fate coming to exactly 6 points of harm, assuming Fate had 10 HP total. You're the one who just outed yourself if you had more than town does.

Zd, just wait, I've found all of the scum, give me a few more minutes to finish my post.

[Tierce]

I'm degenerating to the point in which I have to get up and pace around the food court to stay awake. HALP.

(A Kinetic post would be halpful.)

[Kinetic]

Ok, I'm going to start working on my post, seeing what I can salvage out of this so far:

Players in the game: MattP, Tierce, Yos, Zd, Xalxe, Albert, KKB, Kinetic, LLD, Quadz

10 Players remain, let's see what we can learn. Players on cool down during or before the kill of Void/Fate:

Dec 16
Fate, Hurt Yos, 4:45 PM
LLD, Heal Yos, 4:48 PM
Yos, Hurt Fate, 5:33 PM (Yos rages for 3 on Fate)
Kinetic, Hurt Fate, 8:52 PM
MattP, Hurt Fate, 9:16 PM (3 Rage after on Fate)
Tierce, Hurt Fate, 9:28 PM
Zd, Fail Hurt on Fate
Void, Fail hurt on Fate
Quadz, Fail hurt on Fate

Void/Fate killed at or before 2:26 AM.

Quadz, attempt to confirm CD, 5:41 AM
Zd, attempt to confirm CD, 6:19 AM
KKB, attempt to confirm CD, 8:39 AM
Albert, Hurt Kin, 5:28 PM No earlier hurt/heal, no should have had any damage at this point
Kinetic, Hurt Tierce, 8:57 PM (Difference, 5 minutes)
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People who didn't confirm Cooldowns in a timely manner:
Yos, Xalxe, LLD

People in the "hot zone" (on CD already during time when rage was used)
LLD, Kinetic, Yos, Matt P, Tierce

Players completely out of Hot Zone
Quadz, Zd, Xalxe, KKB, Albert

Correlations:

Biggest suspects:

Xalxe: Could have completely confirmed himself as town, did not.
LLD: Did not confirm heal/hurt in a very timely manner.
Yos: Did not hurt/heal immediately went again when to cooldown. (But used rage, more on this in a moment)
MattP: Similar to Yos. Claims to have raged at 10:19PM (Over an hour AFTER he hurt in thread and almost exactly and hour after he claimed to have sent his rage points in).

This further conflicts with Zd's hurt, which was disregarded at 9:39PM...

People who are basically confirmed:
Quadz/Zd. Although we cannot confirm their heals, I feel very strongly that they acted without knowing that. I'm willing to give them a lot of leeway right now. Also, other reasons.

People who are high on the confirmed list, but not completely confirmed:
KKB, Kinetic (Yes I'm putting myself on this list, deal with it).

People who are suspicious, but not top suspects right now:
Albert, Tierce.

Issues with this system:

It only tracks the scum who attacked Void. That means if there are multiple scum groups the secondary scum group is not confirmed at all. This means even my confirmed townies are not 100% confirmed as not scum, they are just 100% confirmed to not be part of the same scum group that killed Void.

Second, it does not account for Yos/Matt's rages. However, I have a theory on that. I think scum can double rage. They are able to rage on one person, and rage on someone else at the same time. It explains three major things, 1) Why Yos is scum for raging when he did (and consequently his entire rage plan), 2) Explains why Matt raged when he did when hurts would have been preferable at that time, explains the hour difference from when his rage timer SHOULD be up (before 9:39PM, because he MUST have sent his rage attack on Fate before then, or Zd's attack would have gone through) as opposed to when he said his timer is up (10:19 PM EST), and 3) It explains the "scum-mechanic" that I've been searching for and makes scum not be under-powered by the fact that town also have rage.

Further: With Yos not confirming when his timer was up, it shows that he probably did not rage when he said he did, and instead was coordinating with his team to set up a kill. This fits perfectly with the second raging by Matt happening much later.

Now, you're going to notice something weird in the next post, I sent a 4 rage attack in on Yos already, immediately after I hurt Tierce. I was not planning on confirming it was me this early, but I wanted to "prove" exactly how much rage I had at that moment. I though I was going to be in the "almost confirmed" town pool, but in the "suspicious" pool, because of the fact I had a cooldown when the kill happened. I was OK with this, because I thought all of the scum would be in that group with me and thus scum couldn't narrow me off with kills. At the same time, though, I wanted to be able to confirm I had all my rage still and couldn't have participated in the scum attack. I HAD planned to hold on to this tidbit into end game and then use it to prove I was town then if it was still needed.

However... I also thought Yos was completely town at that point. I didn't realize what I'd find when I analyzed this post and what I had.

Scum Confirmed: Yos and MattP
Last scum (if 3): LLD or Xalxe

Boom. GG Scum

Unvote;Vote: Yos

[kanyeknowsbest]

close kinetic. lld is first though, trust me on this.

[Zdenek]

Vote: Yos