Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)

[Adam-12]

@Angel: Have you even caught up because it sounds like from your post, "everyone is voting Mantis" that you don't understand why?

Vote Count
Thor665 (L-4): Adam-12
ProHawk (L-4): Malakittens
Malakittens (L-4): Thor665
ArcAngel9 (L-4): Mantisdreamz
Mantis (L-2): Hawk, Bork, Leviathan93

Not Voting: Guile, ArcAngel9

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Adam-12]

Vote Count
Thor665 (L-4): Adam-12
ProHawk (L-4): Malakittens
Malakittens (L-4): Thor665
ArcAngel9 (L-4): Mantisdreamz
Mantis (L-3): Hawk, Bork, Levi

Not Voting: Guile, ArcAngel9

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

This is NOT a vote count because only the Mod may post those.

Fuckin' right ya mangy cunt.

[Adam-12]

Mantis appears at L-2 at this time.

[Mantisdreamz]

VOTE: Mantis

Look at 1270 compared to 1348. I think I posted once between those two posts and Mantis flip flopped on me in that time.

that is the result of me flip flopping (as i've said already before)

i went from thinking shrimp & you to maybe shrimp & mala. you'll note that's where i said 'i'd lynch malakittens.' in post 1349.

to be honest, i'm really not used to the length of these days. i'm used to 24 hour days, and even with those you tend to flip flop a little. multiple that by 20 and there's going to be a lot of back and forth.


i can say with confidence that i definitely don't want to lynch Adam or Levi, and probably Pro-Hawk.

i'm just reading over some ISO's right now...

[Mantisdreamz]

am back in town. I have a question for all.
so who do you all think is the most scummiest among? pls answer.

i thought shrimp was.

I can't really get over this post

By the way, I just realized this while skimming through ISO's...
Pirate mollie, did you seriously just claim to be a PR? post 66.

I just cannot understand his motive here. if i came across something that looked like a special or power role tell from someone, i would silently keep that to myself and back off of the person.

instead, he votes mollie. it just doesn't make sense.

but, if you are town, then i don't know, maybe it was just a mistake on his part.

[Mantisdreamz]

also, in answer to you, arc angel - mollie also did quite a few scummy things.
her subbing out at L-1 conflicts with my scum meta on her though.

which is why i'm so reluctant.

but there is also a part of me that just wants to say that maybe thor should be the lynch because of all the wifom surrounding him

[Adam-12]

WIFOM surrounding a player is not a reason to lynch them unless its simply a policy lynch. In this case, the policy lynch would certainly be trumped by the skill of the player now in the slot.

It better to lynch scum than policy lynch over WIFOM.

[Mantisdreamz]

WIFOM surrounding a player is not a reason to lynch them unless its simply a policy lynch. In this case, the policy lynch would certainly be trumped by the skill of the player now in the slot.

It better to lynch scum than policy lynch over WIFOM.

ok, i'm kind of glad to hear you say that actually.

i was just going to post that i'm going over molie's ISO

i really like this post of hers:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4506662

just so it's clear to everyone, i might just post random thoughts of mine. it might look as though i'm flip flopping. i'm mainly looking at the ISO's of mollie & thor, mala, bork, and guille

[Mantisdreamz]

As per Arc's request in her ISO I changed the OP to reflect replacements.

Thank you

Looks like everybody heading to vote Mantis.
Can someone tell how long we have before the day ends?

I want to see if Mantis want to defend herself if not, i lll vote her at the deadline.

I would ask that you please post your reads of at least your top 2-3 scum suspects and your overall take on the game so far?

^i am very interested in this as well, arc angel.

[Mantisdreamz]

going to add thor & mala to the not wanting to lynch today list.

[Adam-12]

Well as for as Guille is concerned, I am terribly underwhelmed at his performance so close to the deadline.

[Mantisdreamz]

Well as for as Guille is concerned, I am terribly underwhelmed at his performance so close to the deadline.

i'm a little unsure of him. I don't know how much i liked that long case he had on mollie. He did mention something that i liked though, and that's that scum might not be willing to go after a townmollie.

which brings me to Bork. Bork has stayed away from voting or accusing mollie and now thor to a fair extent.

I also don't like Bork's case on me. A lot of the time he was focused on the fact that he did not like my answer to his question on why i switched my read on Levi. I responded that I wasn't too sure what made me switch (and tht's the honest truth). I think because mostly his posts come across as genuine to me.

Yes, i was uncertain at the beginning, when it looked like he could have been asking an overabundance of questions, in order to appear noob town. I also thought that he slipped up at the beginning when he called Mala's theory on the delayed-confirm, an 'innocent mistake'. I think he just really believes Mala to be innocent, and i like that he has kept up with that thought and not really wavered on it.

Another thing with Bork, is that he's been pointing out the fact that i change my mind a lot. The game is 20 days long, so of course i'm going to look and probably be all over the place.

He came in and wanting to lynch Pro Hawk. He went from that, to shortly after asking Pro Hawk who he should lynch.

...I'm thinking of most likely voting him today. Arc Angel does come across better than Shrimp (from what she has posted so far), but it still doesn't erase some of the concerns i have with Shrimp.


...as for Mala, there was a point where she legitimately looked like frustrated town. (throwing phone against wall, thanks to you, Adam & Pro Hawk)


also, I do want to give her the benefit of the doubt, and allow her to work on scum hunting after a few flips. (like she said)


(also could go for a Guille lynch too, but Bork feels more scummy to me).

I don't plan on changing my mind from these past few posts.

[ProHawk]

At least his underwhelming has been consistent...

[ProHawk]

Oh, and Mantis you are stalling. My top three are: Thor, Mantis, Mala.

[Mantisdreamz]

Oh, and Mantis you are stalling.

how so?

[Mantisdreamz]

and plus, Pro Hawk, didn't you rate Mala as a 3 for being scum?

[Adam-12]

Well Mantis, on your vote for Bork I can agree but what is truly bizarre is that the only thing that he has done this game that makes any sense to me is his case on you. Granted I think he is wrong but his points about your play are true.

[Mantisdreamz]

Not really sure how to respond. What's the big deal if my reads change? I think it seems a bit more scummy to keep tunneling on one person, as a matter of fact.

[Mantisdreamz]

well.. it

can

be more scummy..

[Mantisdreamz]

Adam, are you still feeling that Shrimp was town, and that Arc Angel is?

apologies if you have said this somewhere recently, but i don't remember.

[leviathan93]

At least his underwhelming has been consistent...

It doesn't matter if his underwhelming is consistent. that could be seen as lurking. especially if he doesn't have many useful things to add.

[Thor665]

Why would you lynch make him look bad? Why do you even care what it makes him look like? I don't want this for my team - make it seems like you KNOW his alignment.

I don't want Mollie to miss this and want an answer in thread.

I just found this. We need to link to the original post but this sounds like a good catch from Mala that was not responded to prior to Mollie's "Mafia-Tag-Team (TM)" replace-out.

Not the original post - but the functional one.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4523303
And here's the Mollie post it references.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4507856

What is it a catch of? Adam, the *only* way you could even argue that this was a "scum slip" is if you're my scum partner...did your role PM mention that?
Go check yours and let me know who it lists as your buddies, then we'll sort this out.

going to add thor & mala to the not wanting to lynch today list.

Why Mala?

I would rather lynch Mantis than Bork.
I would rather lynch Mala over either.

[Thor665]

@

Everyone

: Does anybody find it odd that Levi interacts/responds with Mollie in only has 3 posts out of 80? For comparison, he has 10 posts on Thor.[/b]

How is it odd in the first place?

[Mantisdreamz]

Why Mala?

I would rather lynch Mantis than Bork.
I would rather lynch Mala over either.

Mala, because some of her posts appear to be frustrated town. Wanting out of the game, getting frustrated with Pro Hawk, throwing phones. And she is very insistent that she's normally very good at figuring out things after a flip. So if she is, she's a good asset for town.
Yes, there were things i didn't like as well. Her vote on Levi specifically.


What about a guille lynch?


I was skimming some stuff, and remembered that ProHawk made a good observation on him at one point. Guille was at L-1, yet, ignored that fact and made no mention of it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4507862

[Mantisdreamz]

also Thor, do you have Bork as town?