Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!

[MrBuddyLee]

I've been trying to move on, looks like it may have been agreed to.

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

MrBuddyLee (4): Fuldu, ibaesha, Harry_Potter, Uraj45
Save The Dragons (2): Yosarian2, mathcam
PookyTheMagicalBear (2): TheCesspit, MrBuddyLee
TheCesspit (2): Mastermind of Sin, Save The Dragons
ibaesha (1): Coron
Harry_Potter (1): spectrumvoid

Not Voting: mystery meat of doom, PookyTheMagicalBear, armlx

8 to lynch

[ibaesha]

Pretty much. But for some reason Uraj seems to want to push the issue now. *shrug*

[Uraj45]

I'm not trying to drag it out ibby. It wasn't even originally aimed at you. It was a point directed to spectrumvoid whcih you latched onto, which i then responded to and blah blah it goes on from there.

I'm going to go back and read through some of the more recent stuff soon and compare it to your assertion. ..once again I don't have the time to do that right now.

As far as spectrumvoid goes. . .here's the deal.
a. BJs posts were positively dripping with sarcasm. "I just checked my pm, it says I'm protown." is hardly the kind of thing anyone says for real. I'm really astonished that anyone could interpret that literaly given the context.

b. Allowing spectrumvoid to be cleared based on knowledge of pm syntax is terrible strategy. It's a sin of mafia. That is, the concept of "outguessing the mod".

In order to draw the conlcusion that spectrumvoid is cleared town, you must assume that Yaw made a poor choice of syntax that allowed players to use pm as evidence. The "no quoting pms" rule was made to prevent precisely this kind of thing from happening. "My pm sounds like everyone else's pm except for Y's pm. Y must be scum." This is not in the spirit of the game.

So, the question might be asked, how would spectrum know this about protown pms if she's scum? There are tons of possiblities. The most plausible one is that scum pms included a sample town pm. This is not at all uncommon and often used in games in order to make sure the town doesen't get an unintended advantage.

In some games the scum is even given a fake role that they can use for claiming. Obviously not useful for a game like this, but it's just an example.

So, relying on spectrum's "pm post" is putting stock in unstable evidence. As a matter of fact, if scum does have an inkling of what a protown pm is like, then scum would be the most likely people to pick up on it, and would be the first ones to want to point it out, as it gives them some leverage.

Let me make it clear at this point that I'm not putting stock in either possibility. To do so either way would be an attempt to outguess the mod. My suspicions of spectrum lie elsewhere.

The point i'm trying to make here is this: If you're going to say that anyone is cleared, you'd better have a

pretty damn strong

reason for doing so or else you are potentially screwing the town over badly. The evidence that "clears" spectrum is far from guaranteed, and indeed, should not be trusted. Therefore, suspecting spectrum is perfectly legitimite.

QED

Regardless of what you may THINK is the case, allowing that single moment to trump any current suspicions is a huge mistake.

[spectrumvoid]

Uraj: maybe you can instead state the reasons why I'm scummy so I can say something about them? (If you've stated them already, ignore me. Reason below.) The argument against what you stated has been stated by Iba already, so I won't repeat that.

I see both Iba and MBL fixating on each other, and I'm glad it's moving on. I still don't really get why MBL didn't vote, but I went back to look at his earlier posts and he did say that he was also suspicious of other people, so I guess that's why. Also the fixation started because Iba poked at him first, he might have been too preoccupied defending himself to focus on the other people.

I also don't understand STD's case against mathcam.

I'll do a reread of the past 20 pages or so, and hopefully will post tonight.

[Save The Dragons]

StD: It seems like your number one suspicion of me is that I brought up something scummy that spamwise did, that everyone else seems to have ignored. Can you explain again why that's scummy?

it's interesting to note, but i'm really not sure if it's scummy or not.

The fact is, spamwise said something and put it the way you quoted and I quoted it, it makes it seem like he's presuming something about his role that's not true. you become him and have to defend against what he did which is no easy task (i'm in your shoes right now) but it was interesting that no one else caught it and you did so you could pre-emptively remove it from our minds.

A lot of it was behavior that Spamwise had. And also some of it is making connections between you and other living people. If they start turning up scum, I'm going to look more heavily towards you, but until then I'm more interested in Cesspit.

[spectrumvoid]

Well, I disagree. If mathcam was really scum, he wouldn't have brought that up at all, hoping we'd all forget about it. And that is highly likely in a large game like this one.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I disagree with Uraj's case, but to each his own, i guess.

[Save The Dragons]

Reverse psychology:

DON'T VOTE CESSPIT.

[Save The Dragons]

Just realized something.

Unvote for now

.

a) when you die, your information will be obvious to everyone so it's not worth it to reveal it any earlier, since it would help the scum, too
b) this information is so devastatingly helpful to the scum that it far outweighs anything the town would get out of it
c) there is some sort of consequence (game mechanic-wise) of you sharing this information in thread that you are trying to avoid

I almost forgot about this. Combined with Cesspit's vote on Coron not making ANY sense (you say he's trying to set up the lynch with no support from anyone, and think he's scum because school kept him too busy to post? wtf?), I believe a

vote: TheCesspit

is in order.

[Mastermind of Sin]

???

[Save The Dragons]

Do you think Cesspit is suspicious?

Do you think Cesspit is lying?

Do you think Cesspit has information?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Do you think Cesspit is suspicious?

Do you think Cesspit is lying?

Do you think Cesspit has information?

yes; possibly; information on what?

[Save The Dragons]

>< relating to those three scenarios...that was directed at Cesspit, correct?

[Yaw]

This is slowing down too much. Pick up the pace.

Let me know if anyone needs a prod.

[spectrumvoid]

I'm not getting why thecesspit is scummy. MMOS care to share your reasons?

[Mastermind of Sin]

>< relating to those three scenarios...that was directed at Cesspit, correct?

i don't remember. You'll have to put it in context for me, I don't have time to reread.

[MrBuddyLee]

Three people out of fifteen have commented on mmod. WTF?

[mathcam]

Yeah, mmod is fine with me. If you don't understand why, just read his last 3 posts.

Unvote: StD, Vote: mystery meat of doom.

Cam

[Save The Dragons]

that works for me.

Vote: MMoD

[Mastermind of Sin]

oh wow.

Unvote, Vote: MMoD, IGMEOY: TheCesspit

[spectrumvoid]

Here they are.

I read today, and I've been fuck confused because I lurked all of last day too. So I'm going to go back and read day 3 too.

Well I've neglected this game. I'm going to reread and catch up.

Not really sure whats going on atm, so I'm going to reread some time (I'm moving into university on monday, so I won't be posting much more then I am now with packing, moving, settling in, getting internet, etc). The opening of offices could be that the role switcher could possibly switch the open office with someone else, but considering rolenames are switched too, it seems less likely as the open office doesn't have a "rolename" anymore.

Does lurking = scummy? I think possibly, but not definitely.

FOS: whoever is jumping on this wagon.

[Save The Dragons]

he said he'd read like 3 times.

I'm more interested in pressure at this point. Once he pops up I'll probably relinquish, but right now I have nothing better to do with my vote.

[MrBuddyLee]

Does lurking = scummy? I think possibly, but not definitely.

FOS: whoever is jumping on this wagon.

His last three posts there (completely useless) were August 31st, September 9th, September 21st. Did you even read his post history to see when he last contributed anything of substance, spectrumvoid?

Those are mmod's total contributions for the past month and a half, and you want to let that slide?

mod

, please replace mmod.

[ibaesha]

Repetative re-read promises without follow through. That's the scummy kind of lurking. My initial thoughts on him were that he was confused and I shared that feeling so I was cutting him some slack. I don't see any reason not to pressure him to actually contribute now.

unvote; vote mmod

FoS: Pooky

Just because I unvoted and went on a rampage about MBL doesn't mean you're off the hook Pooks. I completely don't buy your last post (it screams Pooky-scum) and the fact that you've disappeared since is also rather scummy. As for the questions you asked, I think you should answer them yourself out loud for everyone to hear because I personally am not into the guessing game thing.

I'll cut MBL a break since I don't know how objective I was being due to being incredibly pissed off. I thought he was pushing a BS case against me and I still am not sure he wasn't so I'll be keeping that and my other suspicions of him in the back of my mind.