Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)


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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:48 am

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In post 1273, Adam-12 wrote:
In post 1270, Mantisdreamz wrote:


adam question for you. when you first read prohawk's 68, what was your interpretation of it?


I read it correctly that he was calling Mollie scum in a very forceful way. I liked it because the way he phrased it tends to get reactions. I also understood why he was making the push and I liked that he was doing it because I preferred to push Shrimp.

when pro hawk pointed out that series of posts, it occurred to me that shrimp looked like he could be over reacting: "OMG, i can't believe you said that!"

..when it was obvious that he was poking at her, and obvious that he was referring to the scum PR's.

i think he should be considered.
i'm going to ISO his posts, so i can get a better picture and not just focus on this one thing.

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Thor665 (L-3): Shrimp85, Adam-12
Mantisdreamz (L-4): borkjerfkin
ProHawk (L-4): Malakittens
Malakittens (L-3): Thor665, ProHawk
Shrimp85 (L-4): Mantisdreamz

Not Voting: Leviathan93, Guile

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:59 am

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The point is said WHAT though; Shrimp said that Hawk said that Mollie was
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:18 pm

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Ok, apparently I rushed my response post. Yes of course and that would be the exception to the town slip. I think in this case meta actually would be helpful to analyze his previous scum games to see if it would make sense to even assume he would do that. He looked pretty genuine and sincere to me.
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:20 pm

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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:22 pm

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Oh crap. He's town in that one.
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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:36 pm

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Reviewing that game I see that he definitely plans things out and runs hidden strategies. He is definitely capable of making fake posts; he rank a "fake scum hunt" in the cited game.
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:47 pm

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In post 163, Shrimp85 wrote:

pirate mollie wrote:haha, not scum but good try so wtf do you make of the blacksmith bizness that malacat and levianthan were banging on about
I am town it is not in my role pm nor does the term blacksmith indicate the flavour what are they talking about do you know?


Maybe I don't understand what you were trying to say, but this seems like a PR claim.


@Shrimp: Please explain specifically & in detail how the bolded seems like a PR claim.
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:12 pm

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Holy crap. Do you see what a mental double take you have to do to even have him faking this? Its like its impossible he could fake something this bad.
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:17 pm

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Based on his previous game, this guy definitely reads his role PM's -- this is genuinely a town slip.
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:27 pm

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In post 1282, Adam-12 wrote:Holy crap. Do you see what a mental double take you have to do to even have him faking this? Its like its impossible he could fake something this bad.

not sure.

i did a bit of an ISO on him... and i don't know if it's just because i'm tunneled on him, but he looks like scum to me.

i'll post my notes... (i got lazy after reading so many of his posts).. so it's not complete.

Adam, do you remember how you were on him at the beginning? you said that he looked like he didn't believe what he was saying.
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:10 pm

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25 & 28- votes mollie for jumping on an rvs vote
29- says he thought mala was being sarcastic about her vote on levi. says his vote on mollie is as serious as it needs to be.

39
says that it was a ridiculous reason on mala's part to vote levi. also states that his vote on mollie turned to serious.
also asks mod to explain the scum QT


it was unclear from the beginning if his vote was actually serious or not. why state the reasoning that it was because she jumped on an rvs wagon?


40 & 41- fixes typos. remarks on mollie's vote on him.

117
-baffled that we are all so confident on lynching levi. says that levi not checking is not a scum tell.
(at this point, levi had no votes on him anymore)

-seems to be dodging questions a bit
-end of posts he points out what DOES appear to be a scum tell on levi's part (the blacksmith stuff levi brought up)

also says:
We have all day, don't try to quick lynch,
it would be a waste of all the precious time
town could use for their benefit
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^my bold. when i first read that it stuck out to me, and asked him about it.

later on prohawk asked him about the part in large font.

shrimp responds in post 144, that he phrases things differently, and that it's not a scum slip.

-shrimp then asks prohawk for his reads, and says something to the extent that he should not be focusing on what is not a scum slip.

122
- announces that mantis is the only one who gets what he means. (i thought i did at the time, to be fair)
-calls quite a few of adam's posts filler (again to be fair, i caled adam out on this on a post or 2)
-shifts attention to levi about the 'blacksmith' ordeal. FOS's levi for this.
-ends the post with an adam vote.

137
-thinks adam is portraying him as scum.

(what happened was adam asked shrimp how long he has been playing mafia before, shrimp responds: see under my pic) but then he admits that he is not a complete noob. the whole thing was kind of wishy washy on his part. why not just state right out that you have experience from other forums?


-asks adam why he has levi as town, now.
-says mollie's vote on mantis is OMGUS
-asks why mollie has "teh prohawk as town"

142
-says levi's question can be seen as true town or noob scum

146
-wants to hear why mollie has prohawk as town.
(this is a good question, because mollie did call him town, without a reason)

-also asks mollie if she actually claimed to be a PR in post 66. reprimands her for doing, what he thought she did.
-also addresses prohawk's post 68.
-makes mention that if mollie is not lynched tonight due to her 'claim', then oh boy, she is scum for sure

problem is, if shrimp really thought that mollie claimed PR - why was he showcasing it for all scum to see?


163
-doesn't like mollie's omgus vote on me
-mentions mollie's PR claim again

233
-calls adam out for his votes (3 least active people - guille, codex, mantis)
-sticks up for guille a bit
-posts reads in order from most scummy to least scummy

248
-another question to mod
@MOD , How long does it take before a player gets prodded due to inactivity? , And how long before they get replaced?


344
-no team hunting (hunting scum in pairs)
-is not getting any town read from mollie whatsoever: "From the PR claim, to the constant OMGUS. And now her WIFOM's on how scum would act."
-votes mollie

again, if he is so concerned with her PR claim, why vote her?


this is where i start to get lazy and start to become cross-eyed in continuing to read all of shrimp's post.

354
363
413
467
497
etc


anyway, main concerns -
-he sticks up for levi at the beginning, then he goes to start focusing on levi's claim of 'blacksmith'. he mentions this quite a bit. (easy thing to focus on for scum, if levi is town)
-he goes after adam for some time, who is very probably town.
-seems to dodge questions at the beginning
-focuses a lot on mollie and her 'PR' claim.
-asks the mod a lot of questions (to the point where it's looking like just asking for the sake of asking and to make himself appear like he has no idea).
-had kind of disappeared after prohawk put him as for sure town.


i'll read the rest of his posts later, but wanted to at least put out some thoughts.
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:31 pm

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Well, he is on track to be replaced next.
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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:45 pm

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In post 1286, ProHawk wrote:Well, he is on track to be replaced next.

i seriously hope not.
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:47 pm

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In post 1284, Mantisdreamz wrote:
In post 1282, Adam-12 wrote:Holy crap. Do you see what a mental double take you have to do to even have him faking this? Its like its impossible he could fake something this bad.

not sure.

i did a bit of an ISO on him... and i don't know if it's just because i'm tunneled on him, but he looks like scum to me.

i'll post my notes... (i got lazy after reading so many of his posts).. so it's not complete.

Adam, do you remember how you were on him at the beginning? you said that he looked like he didn't believe what he was saying.


Yes that was a very specific point about his experience in Mafia. He was saying in this thread that he didn't know how a scum Q/T worked or something to that effect (I would have to look the post up) and in a particular game (I think it's over now I'm not sure) I found a post he made about having alot of experience even on this site; unfortunately I couldn't find that post again when I looked for it & I think I made a mistake and was looking at someone else's ISO. That is specifically what I meant. Secondarily it looked like his vote for Mollie was disingenuous, yes.
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:49 pm

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i would honestly vote for shrimp for this line:
"We have all day, don't try to quick lynch, it would be a waste of all the precious time town could use for their benefit."

not even because of the possibly scum slip where he refers to town as separate from him.
but because he actually says: "waste of all the
precious
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what an exaggeration.
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:59 pm

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Shrimp and Pirate Mollie have been prodded.
As per the rules, if Shrimp requires another prod he will be replaced.
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:02 pm

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pirate mollie has been prodded?
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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:05 pm

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Ya Mantis, I caught onto that line pretty early, but I believe that was pre-town-slip days for him.
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:29 pm

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I just went into the activity overview to do the prods.

Mollie was asking for it, anyway.

Yadda yadda, carry on.
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:41 pm

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VOTE: shrimpI really want to know if shrimp is scum or town or not. His recent play is lacking and bugs me a lot. yes he could be busy, but still. he seemed to be doing ok (minus i feel messing up in the beginnning).
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:07 am

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In post 1272, Adam-12 wrote:
In post 1268, guille2015 wrote:On games that are quite active as this one is, then her posting is reduced, and her reads become worse if she is scum.


Mala is the only one that considers Levi and Shrimp Lynch-worthy
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This is something I don't see scum-Mala doing.
Then again I don't see where her arguments for this is.


If I am correct in linking these statements together logically, I don't understand the bolded because of the underlined.

I would think that Mala as scum would be going for a less controversial lynch. Not many scum do this (standing out like this), and I doubt Mala is doing this.
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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:08 am

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In post 1289, Mantisdreamz wrote:i would honestly vote for shrimp for this line:
"We have all day, don't try to quick lynch, it would be a waste of all the precious time town could use for their benefit."

not even because of the possibly scum slip where he refers to town as separate from him.
but because he actually says: "waste of all the
precious
time"

what an exaggeration.

How would you have phrased it?
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:15 am

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In post 1294, leviathan93 wrote:VOTE: shrimpI really want to know if shrimp is scum or town or not. His recent play is lacking and bugs me a lot. yes he could be busy, but still. he seemed to be doing ok (minus i feel messing up in the beginnning).


His recent play is non-existent. Either he's actively lurking (hint: no) or he's been busy or he's siteflaked. Explain how either of the last two consititutes scummy behavior.

Seriously we're not lynching shrimp.
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:22 am

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Thank you Bork.
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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:44 am

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So is anyone going to help me out, or are we just going to hang out for another couple of days?

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