Mini 1397: War is Hell (Game Over)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Then lynch MattP! He probably thought he was finished and has nothing to lose so he suddenly started appearing more townie due to his appeal to emotions, and to his credit, he was able to convince void, but goddamn is he scum.

[quadz08]

oi
I"m going to do a votecount.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Matt is a top player...just remember that. If he can talk his way past Yosarian, he's not someone you take lightly.

He fully knows how to "work the town" and act like he has nothing to lose. Saying things like "I lost hope in this town", I can't describe in words how wrong it comes across. It's a practiced and methodical spiel. Lynch the little manipulator before he can squeeze his way out of it.

[Tierce]

oi
I"m going to do a votecount.

>.>
<.<

Please do.

/lazy

[quadz08]

So after skimreading through the last 12 pages (holy shit guys we are bad at votecounts) I am far more confident in this:

VOTE: ABR

This guy is scum, and needs moar votes.

Pseudo Votecount 2.1

(4) MattP - scooby, Albert B. Rampage, Lady Lambdadelta, Tierce
(3) Albert B. Rampage - MattP, Voidedmafia, quadz08
(2) Scooby - Zdenek, Yosarian2
(1) Tierce - kanyeknowsbest
(1) Xalxe - Kinetic

(1) Not voting - Xalxe

Let me know if there are any mistakes.

[Xalxe]

I figured votes stayed in place. VOTE: MattP

[Kinetic]

Void, Quadz, give me an idea how you feel about Zd, Xalxe, and Scooby.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I must say I'm surprised you're not all over me as well, Kinetic. You can feel how rusty I am? lol

[quadz08]

Void, Quadz, give me an idea how you feel about Zd, Xalxe, and Scooby.

Zd and scooby are scummy, as mentioned above. Xalxe I'm pretty null on, tbh.

[Zdenek]

Why do you think ABR is bussing?

[quadz08]

I am being paranoid and tinfoil-hat with that theory. I'm by no means convinced.

[Zdenek]

A lot from Quadz is rubbing me the wrong way.

He's suggested that even if I am town that he would be okay with lynching me. If that was the only time he'd done that, I'd just be annoyed by it, but now it's started to become a pattern. He says the same thing about ABR - that's he's willing to lynch him for anti-townness. In the same post, he suggests that ABR is scum with MattP. He also says that Scooby is no value to the town at all, and says that Scooby is scummy.

In his most recent post he completely misinterprets what I had to say about my Scooby vote to make it seem scummy, and then turns around to say that he is less sure of me being scum.

Then there's

ABR+Matt would actually not surprise me at all, and if one of them flips scum, I am 100% willing to lynch the other.

I am being paranoid and tinfoil-hat with that theory. I'm by no means convinced.

I'm finding it very difficult to follow any of his thought processes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Quadz, can you explain to me why ABR over Matt? You've expressed strong suspicion of both.

[quadz08]

After the re-read while doing the votecount, I got significantly stronger scumvibes from ABR than matt. MattP seems to be coming from a sincerely frustrated perspective; I don't think I've seen Matt's play as a frustrated scum, but I don't know if he would fight back as hard as he has been if he was scum here. ABR, on the other hand, is being illogical and anti-town. What really convinced me on him, though, was his post immediately before my votecount. "MattP is top player. He's not someone to take lightly." The appeal to fear there is scummy as fuck.

Zdenek, my reads have been wobbly/changy as of late because I haven't been able to consistently post like I was at the beginning. Like I mentioned to Kinetic at the beginning of the game when he complained about all the posting going on, I play much more effectively when I can post concisely and often, and I haven't been able to the past couple of weeks.

[Tierce]

quadz--go through Abarat II. MattP was scum there. (Bonus Tierce scum meta.)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also look at any game where I've been town. This is just how I talk.

[Kinetic]

I'm not sure about the MattP wagon still, and I'm pretty sure Albert is being attacked because of his style of play, not his scumminess, so I'm looking down my list of suspects. First I'm looking at Scooby...

Although his early play was pretty shit (and non-existent), he comes into the game with a vengeance post... and goes right after MattP. He then throws out a couple pretty safe reads (Quadz, Tierce, myself, even a bit of Kanye), but some slightly not so safe reads that confuse me (Zd). That being said, it seems like most everyone but me sees Zd as null or town, so coming from his vantage point maybe its a safe read as well. He also goes after Yos a bit. When Yos becomes a bit suspicious of him in return Scooby instantly goes full onto Yos before swapping back to MattP. Even his change on his Zd read was weird (thinking he was "third party" and not scum).

I think scooby might be scum here, and I feel stonger about him than MattP right now. I also think ScumScooby pretty much clears MattP in my mind.

Unvote;Vote:Scooby

[Albert B. Rampage]

Matt I also love you bro Don't rage lol

[Yosarian2]

Matt is a top player...just remember that. If he can talk his way past Yosarian, he's not someone you take lightly.

So, he must be dangerous scum because Yosarian thinks he's probably not scum? Lol.

I just don't see his play here as being scum motivated here, and most of the issues people have with them are things that I've seen him do as town.

You say he's a strong player; fine. What has he done this game that hypothetically speaking helps his position as scum? What posts has he made that seem actually scum motivated to you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Matt is a top player...just remember that. If he can talk his way past Yosarian, he's not someone you take lightly.

So, he must be dangerous scum because Yosarian thinks he's probably not scum? Lol.

I just don't see his play here as being scum motivated here, and most of the issues people have with them are things that I've seen him do as town.

You say he's a strong player; fine. What has he done this game that hypothetically speaking helps his position as scum? What posts has he made that seem actually scum motivated to you?

He was away for a large part of the game, he came back, doesn't seem to have read the thread. Instead, he iso'd my posts and proclaimed I was scum. Much easier to do when you're looking for an innocent to slaughter than when you're trying to find scum. I think I understand his mind and how he acts.

[Yosarian2]

Why you, though? No one else was attacking you at all. If he was looking for an easy lynch, why not go after someone else?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why you, though? No one else was attacking you at all. If he was looking for an easy lynch, why not go after someone else?

He knows how good he is. He has experience. I'm convinced that Matt put up an act and is running laps around the town. Pretending to be humble, to look like you're close to giving up, this is strategy. I don't think he's been paying close attention to the game but he could still sell coolers in Alaska.

[Albert B. Rampage]

His case isn't strong but he looks desperate so it makes him look more credible. I won't change my vote today.

[MattP]

I must say I'm surprised you're not all over me as well, Kinetic. You can feel how rusty I am? lol

Unvote

VOTE: Xalxe

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bluffing