In post 3145, mykonian wrote:why would he do it astown.scum
That's what would make it relevant. Now you are just arguing some inane point just to show how MoI you are.
And dear dragon, please keep the language down. It's a social game after all. Lets be social, shall we?
In post 3125, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
While the last remaining options is far from my first choice the fact that you call players like Nero (when his whole "MoI knew I was out of shots" flailing is clearly not from a Town perspective) and jasonT (who is playing much more to his scum meta of staying out of the fucking limelight - see the recently ended Dresden files where JasonT Town stuck his nose right out there Day 1) Town indicates of all the options presented it is the best one.
In post 3097, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
@Cheery Dog– So what exactly do you want from my posts that would make you want to lynch my scum suspects (Mykonian, Zab, Nero, jasonT)?
That doesn't explain how they are towntells.
In post 3134, PeregrineV wrote:I think conflicting motivation (trying to appear to be scumhunting and trying to not actually catch scum) is pretty reliable as a scum tell.In post 3084, Cheery Dog wrote:Sharing thinking is a worse tell than the 'scum tell' of people talking to their scum reads as if they were town which was happening yesterday.
In post 3134, PeregrineV wrote:
True, but I didn't ask leading questions and they provided the answer I wanted to here. They posted either the question I was asking in my head, or made the points I had in my head.
Similar mindset that I wouldn't have as scum is pretty strong for me.
In post 3086, mykonian wrote:In post 2998, Kise wrote:Oh so Nero recruited Thor? Gee we shouldn't think he's scum now. Scum would never kill someone they wasted a neighborize on right?
Very much so. Why do you doubt this Kise?
In post 3095, mastin2 wrote:1: What happened to your read on Khan?
It fell off around the time I quipped "inb4 scum killed Kise to frame Khan. KK probtown," and I said that jokingly with the hope it'd keep us both alive (assuming he was town then) so scum could see us fight another day. For the most part, and in order to not hurt either of us, I will say my townread is hint based. When day 3 came around, we both dropped it, so I took that to meanhint acknowledged. Khan had plenty of you that would lynch me, so if he's scum, I would think he'd take advantage of that rather than walking away as we did.
A while back, you offered to 1V1 him, yet now, you've pretty much completely dropped that, in favor of...
2: Nero. You've been doubting his role, but you have my word that it works exactly the way he says it does. So do you still think he's scum because of his role, or is it because of more than that? Do you have more reasons to think he's scum than what he's said?
I had a townread on him for the longest. The first time I thought to reconsider was when he was telling Tammy in the QT that jason may be right about me lurking as a scum tactic - I should point out that that same phase, I mentioned scum would be lurking after having their roleblocker daykilled. I didn't begin to "lurk" until the last week or so of day 1. The thing is, I literally spoke to Nero the day before signing up for this game. He asked why I stopped playing mafia and I told him I wouldn't devote enough time to it. But, I popped online the next day, saw he signed up for this and said why not, so I joined. I feel Nero should know I wasn't lurking as a scum thing, but the way he was playing Tammy in the QT made me pause.
The reason I think he's a mafia neighborizer is due to apparently being unblockable. I figure a mafia roleblocker would need to be useful by blocking threats, and so far we can only say those threats are doc, cop and perhaps messenger. Even if his claim of Hal Otacon makes sense for the ability given, that doesn't mean Hal is town. I'm Draco Malfoy and I'm town sided. We don't know the story behind this mash-up theme, so only the mods know how pappum decided on these characters.
3: For that matter, I've seen you focusing your reads on specific players. (Mainly suspects, not so much town.) Why are you focusing only on specific people, rather than on people as a whole?
I thought I gave great reasons to suspect myk but the wagon is small. Some think zab is scum and I don't agree with that....this is stupid for me to say but I think he's the messenger. Everyone is divided and we're all too stubborn to give anyone else's case a chance. My style isn't to keep hammering the same points over again and again. At the moment, I have nothing additional to press against myk or Nero other than what I've gone over earlier. As for PV, I would like to be the one to give him attention since he's still coasting around everyone else 2 months later.
4: So basically, (this is getting a little repetitive) I want you to give me your rundown, on all your suspects and all your townreads, along with the reasons why. I need to see your stances crystal clearly for there to be any chance of you moving outside of my suspect list, 'cause you're currently second-strongest under MoI.
3. zabriel - didn't jump on him THAT much day 1, and I decided he was town around day 3 I believe when I began feeling he may be the messenger.
4. Shahrizai / mykonian - This. Then this.
6. Cybertronix / mastin2 - I think you're town who really really wants to lynch his suspects, even at the cost of giving someone as scummy as myk a pass in order to have their vote. I didn't care for the way you've ignored some of my posts so I semi-ignore you in return, hence the infrequent antagonizing.
8. PeregrineV - Mid-tier scum. There's been 3-4 accounts where he's dodged my questions and I've had to bring them back up. He's one of the people I've said would be lurking due to the mafia roleblocker being shot so early in the game. He says things like "Melmond is town, everyone voting him is suspect" and then drops it. He votes WC last phase after quoting something Benmage said; too sheepy for someone who hasn't given this game a great deal of his own input. The only reason he's not top priority is because he barely talks, and other suspects have taken the spotlight.
9. Amrun / pidgey - The last time I mentioned him, I quoted what he said that gave me all sorts of town heebeegeebees (refer to the link on myk). So much kleenex used to clean the keyboard that day.
10. Acosmist - Until this very second, I was outguessing the shit out of the mod. I said a town killing role would be nice to combat the SK and however many scum there are - still considering that a strongman kill may have been used on Ben - so I wanted to believe he was town off that, and not from his play. Now I'm wondering how the mod would balance a town PGO considering the mafia may have also been killed every day by the SK, and a bulletproof scum wouldn't be enough. On the other hand, what perks did the SK have to survive, seeing as how she could be found guilty? Aco isn't an immediate concern of mine...meh, I don't think in my heart I feel he's a concern at all.
11. Zoroaster / MagnaofIllusion - Say what you want but the way he handled posts from you, Ben, myk, Els and whoever else has been very prompt. Very quick - very natural, and I like that. I think he is countering everyone and no one is countering him back in a way that condemns him. All the references and the links posted, MoI looks good in the end. Zoroaster was on the fence at the start of the game, and at that time I was still reading snifit and AP as scumbuds, so Zor was out of sight anyway.
12. Yates - He gave off some Godfather vibes. I put him as probtown last phase because through it all, he hasn't slipped up (well, he slipped up with Aco) or done any commanding. He's not super town, but he at least comments on people I think are scum without defending them.
14. I Am Innocent / AngryPidgeon - Here.
16. jasonT1981 - Never thought he was scum but it's fun to throw his hypocritical inconsistencies back at him.
17. snifit / Cheery Dog - I thought he was town during the Els wagoning. Els was town tho, so...I had snifit as scum for the longest. Cheery isn't town to me. As much as I'd rather see myk taken care of, I may be on board with this lynch.
19. Kublai Khan - Said my piece earlier.
21. Nero Cain - He'd be town based off reads. He's scum based on outguessing the mod/balance/why the heck can't he be roleblocked/why is he acting like I don't believe he can neighbor people/why playing dumb. I'll admit it's a bit worrying we don't have any more investigators coming forth with results to make this easier, but I know Faraday gives great role ideas when he reviews so I'm still expecting some good PRs are out there that we haven't thought of yet.
5: Also, why is your activity as low as it is?
The town-Kise I knew years ago was one of the most frequent posters in the game, posting almost every day with thought after thought after thought.
Yes, it's an out-of-date meta, but I still want to know what changed to make your posting be sporadic and infrequent; I can tell you right here and now it was not a change for the better.
I remember the days of being #2 highest poster, right under zwet. Fun times, fun times. But going back to what I told Nero before signing up, I'm splitting my time between songwriting, composing, this, doing stuff around the house, shopping, and sometimes I'll play a game if there's new content.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/28930183#history
If you check the bottom of my match history, you'll see I go away for weeks at a time without playing, and that game is as addicting as Starbucks. Myk is on it every day. It's crack, as him!
I'll post as much as I can, but I won't go over what's already been settled. I might say a small line because I don't expect to return to walls upon walls of replies. I get enough of that reading you and MoI!
In post 3093, mastin2 wrote:
You're not being very active here, and I KNOW for a FACT that you can (and have) been active in the past. Why are you not paying much attention to this game?
Being somewhere in people's suspect lists happens a lot to me, I find this seat to be at room temperature. If they want to push hard then it can be a problem, but since nobody is, I'm not concerned with how people are viewing me.In post 3093, mastin2 wrote:
Furthermore, you've replaced into a bit of a hot seat. Though it hasn't been pushed very hard, many key players have had you on their suspect lists--what do you have to say about that?
No I haven't read anything seriously from before I repleaced in (I did read some of the early pages yesterday, which was actually just a skim and a few pages when it had first started, but nothing that lodged in my mind, if the rest of the game is anything like the current state (which I assume it is), I'm not going to get anything out of reading it other than being annoyed at reading it, I don't see the need to have gone through all those pages.In post 3093, mastin2 wrote:
More than that, how much of the game have you read? I realize that it's a long game, but you've had, what, almost a month to read it? There's no excuse for not having done so. (Just checked--two weeks, actually.)
Even reading less than ten pages a day, you could have (and should have) finished reading it, yet I don't seem to recall you giving an update on that. Have you read it all, and if not, why?
Because I unvoted, duh. (well I am voting now since between you asking this and me replying, but I wanted to check my thoughts on PV before voting him.
In post 3093, mastin2 wrote:
And who, exactly, do you suspect? Like with the others, I want the why as well.
I'm not going to lurk, nor to I believe I have been lurking, but I have my own mind for what lurking construes.In post 3093, mastin2 wrote:
Don't think you can get away from this game by lurking, because I'm not letting you go any time soon. I want answers from you, and if you don't step up your game, then you're a great candidate for lynching.
In post 3133, PeregrineV wrote:In post 3082, Kise wrote:Ben's suspicion, not yours. got it. At least now you know that meta on WC isn't reliable.
Still wondering how you arrived at Ben having a result, considering the timeline of events.
In post 3137, mykonian wrote:and stop bolding your posts tyvm. Makes you damn hard to read without gaining a migraine
In post 3132, PeregrineV wrote:I don't see a point to having Acomist tested.
But, if you insist, and Nero claims to be out of shots, and you don't want the messenger to claim, who is going to test Acomist?
In post 3132, PeregrineV wrote:Was he scum or town in Switchboard?
In post 3134, PeregrineV wrote:They are only towntells if you are town.
In post 3134, PeregrineV wrote:I think conflicting motivation (trying to appear to be scumhunting and trying to not actually catch scum) is pretty reliable as a scum tell.
In post 3141, PeregrineV wrote:1. My point is that Tammy-SK was different. It was out in the open, during the day, confirmable, and controllable. Just like all of our Zombie role claims.
In post 3143, mykonian wrote:Not a counterwagon at all. Mine simply didn't launch and the same people hopped onto the next and did manage to get that completed. That's the weirdest thing isn't it? The reason every single one of you could have known els was a bad lynch: there was literally no attempt at a counterwagon. None.
In post 3153, Cheery Dog wrote:Weren't you accusing myk of being scum yesterday and now you're liking him, which I believe you now believe he is town, what happened?
In post 2587, AngryPidgeon wrote:Acosmist, you should help us lynch Elscouta.
In post 3160, jasonT1981 wrote:I could support AP lynch today, I would much rather lynch Zab though.
In post 433, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 271, Benmage wrote:@zabriel Sometimes mods will not include main characters (I know crazy). And also sometimes they won't include them, BUT they will give them to scum as SAFECLAIMS.
This makes Zabriel town though, no? I mean as long as were giving jason town points for slipping. Except Zabriel is too new to likely be pulling a BS stunt.
FoS Kublai Khanfor his Zabriel case. Nope. For someone willing to give townpoints to jason for slipping, you don't see Zabriel's misunderstanding of safe claims to be townie? Especially considering hes not likely to be "purposely town slipping". Nope. And more nope. And a token 'why' tossed to Thadmiral about why he thinks the Zabriel wagon is shit.
In post 3158, Kublai Khan wrote:Now today, AngryPidgeon finally wants to test Acosmists' claim by sending either the neighborizer or the messenger to target Acosmist. Why not earlier?
)) But it's not going to be even close to every day. Honestly, I don't really remember. If I'd have to guess, it'd be something to do with his play reminding me of town games I've seen, and/or something about his iso looking genuine and his stances good, but I'd have to get back to you on that.MoI wrote:Why do you think Zabriel is Town Mastin (other than "Lulz you think he is scum")? I'd really like to see your support for the stance.
Putting this here because it's identical to zab. Any answer right now would be me BS'ing my best guess, since I really don't remember why he's a townread; he just is.AP wrote:Why is pidgey a townread?
Quality, not quantity. His posting's sporadic, but he brings up excellent points in most of what he's posting, even if his consistently-behind-the-game is incredibly annoying.AP wrote:Calling PV a strong voice?
Funny, I seem to recall me suggesting something like this a couple pages back...ohright, 'cause that's what the whole point of my spamposting was, to coordinate our reads.Kise wrote:Playerlist is divided good enough to make a sequel to West Side Story. Certain people don't want to lynch so-and-so because so-and-so won't lynch them, but will lynch similar 'suspects'. Do we have any odd men out that 8 of us can agree to lynch, or are we doomed to these cliques?
I get him to stop focusing on myk and Nero (who are both town) and probably also on jason (who is still town). In exchange, I stop focusing on him and you (as you'd both be town here), and take that into consideration. We coordinate from there. It wouldn't be much of a base, but it would be one.Kise wrote:Moi, Mastin, I'm on my death bed. I call make a wish and tell them I want you two to find a common enemy and not let scum tip toe around your battle. What do you do?
), but there's a very real chance of quite a deal of my reads reversing. Kise's answers on a glance look good, and MoI's posts aren't screaming scum at me anymore. )
In post 3165, mastin2 wrote:You've been advocating him as town as well, so why do you have an issue with me having a townread on him?
