Open 465 - Wot's... Uh the Deal? (Game Over! Town Win!)

[Adam-12]

Ahh wonderful. So which one of you had the scummiest response to...

So on that note....

Guille

any last words before the blacksmith hammers your head in?

Mala... just kinda pissed off at the speed of things.
Molly, now #244 combined with #247 are great.
Shrimp... just trying to sort things through as usual - ObvTown

In other words, who decided to take that line and twist it to make a case against a townie while attempting to gain town-cred all at the same time? You know who I think it is, buut I will let you decide.

For the record the blacksmith

equal

ProHawk. And I had no intent to hammer.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pirate Molly

The winner Molly it is. PS - the only reason Shrimp and I make a cute couple is cause we are both ObvTown!

Guille, can't wait to see who your vote lands on tonight.

If this post was a magazine I would buy a lifetime subscription. I don't know how keeps reading my mind or making plays that I wish I could, but he does.

Not understanding the Hawk vote here for you Code-Bork.

Could you please comment on the days events? I will post a list in a second.

Vote Count

Adam-12 (L-4): Malakittens
Pirate Mollie (L-2): Shrimp85, Adam-12, Guile
Guile (L-2): ProHawk, Pirate Mollie, Mantisdreamz
ProHawk(L-4): borkjerfkin

Not Voting: leviathan93

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM EST

[Adam-12]

1) Mala's RVS Levi case
2) Blacksmith Gate
3) Mollie-Mantis Meta
4) Myself vs. Shrimp
5) Hawk vs. Mollie
6) Myself vs. Mollie you have talked about
7) Hawk vs. Guille I & II

[Adam-12]

i think that she's town. pretty certain actually.

And... what revelation have you that we don't?

i've played with her many many times before and her posts look genuine to me right now.
thinking that guile is scum and i want to vote him but am going to check to make sure i'm not hammering (in order to give him leeway time to claim if he has to)

Can you please elaborate?

[pirate mollie]

Shrimp, Guilles scumminess is in plain sight, but beyond the field of view. Go re-read guille's posts and you should pick some up. If not, give us reasons why you think he is town and we can go from there.

Mollie, only if you are a girl cause guys' radiant beauty generally have no effect on me. Also, you forgot one of the biggest aspects of working with someone. It would also give you the knowledge of what exactly to do to fool the other. You have already refuted your point in a previous post, so this angle isn't a good one to work. Meta cases are weak.

I somewhat disagree with you hawk boy. lol, just got into a post game discussion with majiffy over this cos he pretty much agrees with you. I use meta when it is a player that I know pretty well. like I know their work schedules, sleep schedules, etc. meta is not the only scumhunting tool I have in my box, I use different things for different games. in some games meta is the

only

tool I have cos some players will be so objectively scummy game after game and lynching or fosing doesn't seem to have an effect on them so they are not going to improve their game no matter what you do so you have to learn their town tells and most definitely their special tells. <----- do you guys call these relative tells here?

meta or pattern-matching should not be used when you are new or if you suck at it. it is only an asset if you can provide consistent reasoning behind what they are thinking or how they are posting in the game but then when it comes to making cases based on meta alone you are right it is pretty weak and you have to develope a reputation for it in order to get people to listen to you. but sometimes I have known who scum were on d2 just by the nk choice alone and that is a meta thing.

having said all of that my town read on mantis

is

meta based cos of her hardcore wk of adam which tbh I don't fully understand but then she often sees things that I don't. her posts look genuine to me but I get why this looks suspicious to other people who don't know us or our history or why we would think the way that we do.

the thing is that I have been a part of more town wins as town by finding town rather than just trying to find scum. you make me nervous cos I am not entirely sure what as scum you are capable of. if I had a barometer of what your scum game looked like you would be easier to read and no I am not going to look at your previous games cos I am not in them. I reaction test in a different way and I am not about to give up what I am looking for. I have shifted you to town but probably for reasons you might not understand. I am more of a lateral thinker.

[pirate mollie]

Ahh wonderful. So which one of you had the scummiest response to...

So on that note....

Guille

any last words before the blacksmith hammers your head in?

Mala... just kinda pissed off at the speed of things.
Molly, now #244 combined with #247 are great.
Shrimp... just trying to sort things through as usual - ObvTown

In other words, who decided to take that line and twist it to make a case against a townie while attempting to gain town-cred all at the same time? You know who I think it is, buut I will let you decide.

For the record the blacksmith

equal

ProHawk. And I had no intent to hammer.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pirate Molly

The winner Molly it is. PS - the only reason Shrimp and I make a cute couple is cause we are both ObvTown!

Guille, can't wait to see who your vote lands on tonight.

If this post was a magazine I would buy a lifetime subscription. I don't know how keeps reading my mind or making plays that I wish I could, but he does.

Not understanding the Hawk vote here for you Code-Bork.

Could you please comment on the days events? I will post a list in a second.

why are you resurrecting a post that was like 200 posts ago and you have since replied you have a mancrush on hawk boy we get it.

mantis you see him as town and hawk boy is treating him as town but really I don't get it. it isn't cos he is trolley tracking on me it is cos that the reasoning behind it is dumb and too dumb for a player who thinks he needs to give me advice on how to play.

[Majiffy]

I'll get to you guys in a bit.

[borkjerfkin]

Not understanding the Hawk vote here for you Code-Bork.

Could you please comment on the days events? I will post a list in a second.

Well I already explained it so exactly what's the issue you've got?

And no, I could not. If I find something worth commenting on in a reread I'll comment on it. I'm not going to generate content in regard to the vague talking points you've given me for the sake of generating content.

[Adam-12]

why are you resurrecting a post that was like 200 posts ago and you have since replied you have a mancrush on hawk boy we get it.

mantis you see him as town and hawk boy is treating him as town but really I don't get it. it isn't cos he is trolley tracking on me it is cos that the reasoning behind it is dumb and too dumb for a player who thinks he needs to give me advice on how to play.

This post was in response to Code-Bork who referenced it on his case for Hawk.

Bork I would like some evidence that you've read the thread besides just some reads and be able to get a better feel for you as you missed out on about 15 pages of content playing with us.

I don't take your refusal in a positive light and because I don't understand your Hawk vote, I find this suspicious.

[borkjerfkin]

Well considering that I haven't read most of the thread, I can't exactly give you evidence that I've read most of the thread. Stop giving me homework; it's demeaning.

And the post you quoted is awful.

[Mantisdreamz]

ctrl+z works wonders.

No...fricken way. I never knew this.

Pirate mollie

throw something in there about retarded town herd mentality and I might actually think you are not retarded.

you are very busy ad-hominemming. And this is working against you really.
Your whole post in post 415 is full of personal insults.

I find this voting guille pretty ridiculous.
I am pretty sure both scum are on that wagon now.
That wagon just grows way too fast, at first the reason was because he didn't post much, but now?

Prohawk, Mantisdreamz and Pirate mollie, I would like to know clearly why you find Guille2015 scum.
Just for informations sake.
I really can't find any scummy behavior in Guille2015.

I don't like Mantisdreamz because I believe mantis is just following whatever Pirate Mollie does.
At first you have a scum read on mollie, and then later on you want to team up?

i'm not following her. just believe her to be town right now. and my vote on guille is because of the town read on mollie. i know that she has done some scummy looking things technically... but the way she is coming across seems genuine to me. and i am taking a big leap of faith here cause she as often tricked me as scum. which is why at the beginning i was super conscious of her and also paranoid. especially with her vote on me and other things like voting levi. but that was before when i had a town read on levi. i don't anymore. and i think that he could very well be opportunistic noob scum. one of his posts, or several of them actually, have contained many questions that look like he could just be taking advantage of the noob card.

if she is town, i think scum are definitely taking the opportunity to pick out discrepancies in her posts, and then running with them.

i certainly hope that i'm not wrong on this, cause it will be very embarrassing. but i really don't think i am.

and guille with his 2 huge posts with a bunch of links, doesn't make me feel good about him. like i said before, if mollie is town, i think scum are really banking on getting her lynched today. and by guille making huge cases, it will provide town with all sorts of 'evidence' to lynch her. and then, when she flips town, guille will point back to his posts and say 'well, look at everything i had on her!' why is he going to such huge effort to get her lynched?

i'm going to do a reread.
and will have some thoughts in a bit. i want to go back and confirm my read on mollie at this point. to make sure i'm not just being an idiot.

[Mantisdreamz]

also, pro hawk kind of looks better to me. maybe he is the type of player to lay back. not sure.

[Adam-12]

I need to do a re-read too but I'm not liking Code-Bork at all.

[Adam-12]

Kind of tired today.

[Mantisdreamz]

I am not getting a good handle on who is scum period which is why I am good with my lynch at least it will provide info for my team.

I still think hawk boy or levi is the best way to go preferably levi

who provided a list of everyone appearing innocent or innocentish. but hey my self worth is not invested in being right all of the time there are better things to base that on.

thinking on all of this mantis your votes and foses look truly terrible.

before this post though, i had pro hawk as possible scum. And then questioned about Levi.

so how do my foses look terrible? granted.. i did have a vote on Mala at the time.
But, i'm also wondering why you said that busing is unlikely?

it is your vote on malacat. also I said that the scenario was unlikely not that bussing was unlikely. sorry I got weird on you I guess it is cos I am surprised that you are trusting me at this point after I just flipped scum but then the other scum team must have thought I was town too or they would not have killed me. you are dead in that game btw.

if malacat can do what she says she can do then give her til d3.

I keep coming back to hawk boy cos of how sticky his vote is and he is not even trying to look anywhere else this is what I did in the audio game it gave me leeway to prime you and maestro for an endgame scenario as in I left you 2 alone and made so much noise with thor that it allowed the both of you to lay on the periphereal so that there was no clearcut path that pointed to either of you when I was lynched. I can't wrap my head around a town motivation for a vote to be that sticky and would like for pressure to be placed on him to draw out his other reads so that he can be held accountable later in the game.

I don't like how adam is treating me as town but is okay with my lynch or his suck up posts to hawk boy but I am still going with that he is town. adam, when I flip I would like a short 5 paragraph essay on why you suck at mafia and why preference of style over substance is bad. throw something in there about retarded town herd mentality and I might actually think you are not retarded. hint, look up confirmation bias. this is all predicated on that you are town of course and do it in post game plz.

shrimp guy looks opportunistic as fuck but again retarded town herd mentality/confirmation bias and all. adam and shrimp look like they might be classic forum mafia xenophobes as in they don't know how to assimilate different playstyles or lateral thinking unless you pretty it up for them. I had to deal with a ton of it in my first game on this site in the titanium game where I was lynched d1 as town. adam if you are town and into the meta thing you should go read that game I had scum in my sights in my very first post got talked out of it but then had him back cos like you, he treated me as town but lynched me anyways. there was another player who did this too but he said if there was more time he would have kept me in the game. he ended up facing a ton of fire throughout the game but I understood where he was coming from since he had just subbed in. I am not sure how adam fits into this train of thought but I think shrimp guy might just be dumb but who knows.

so if I step away from a d1 town pile on and look at who is skating on the edges it puts hawk boy, malacat, guille and levi in the forefront. not touching malacat til d3 and hawk boy is getting his hands somewhat dirty so if I work from a hawk boy might actually be town axis that leaves guille and levi. guille got super cranky and looks like he is playing it safe cos why has he not followed his "gut bad pizza read" read and just vote me already cos there is the possibility of knowing how I will flip that's why. that is what I mean by playing it safe.

wow what a nice brain dump.

i think it was a good brain dump too. and is one of the reasons i'm trusting you at this point.
i like the end conclusion with guille and levi being scum. i can see that.

as for adam treating you as town though.. i don't really think he is so much. him asking you questions doesn't necessarily mean that he thinks you are town.


also adam and shrimp, if you think i am town at all.. can you please trust my read on mollie?


yes. i am focusing on her a lot. but it's because she has been a focal point for a lot of players, and also has been within the last few pages.

you guys are on the wrong track though. and i think you are both town, so that's why i'm directing this to you

[Majiffy]

Congratulations, you have a vote-count now!

[Mantisdreamz]

Adam, levi or guille should be lynched this day.

[Mantisdreamz]

Congratulations, you have a vote-count now!

[Adam-12]

The votecount appears wrong as it has Guille not voting.

[ProHawk]

And the post you quoted is awful.

Not quite as awful and useless as yours have been bork. As of now you have been completely and utterly useless. Unless you can specifically point out where any of my posts/actions have been "retarted", I maintain my position.

But then again, I am sure you won't surprise me as you have "caught up as I'm gonna get". Way to show us you have the care to put in any effort to help us find scum. #endrantabouttheVI.

[Majiffy]

Thefuckisthis

The votecount appears wrong as it has Guille not voting.

Fixed.

[ProHawk]

UNVOTE:

Not good enough Lev. I still have outstanding questions, please address them. Thanks.

[borkjerfkin]

Adam, levi or guille should be lynched this day.

I don't get the Levi scumread. All I really see is that you assert that it's plausible that prohawk and levi could be scum together (#386). You definitely had him as town earlier and I don't get the reason for 1) the change in the first place or 2) how that would hold up now that you think prohawk's looking more town in #485 (which I also don't get). Explain?

[Shrimp85]

Talking about grooming, if grooming is such a scum tell, then what's mantisdreamz doing in post 488.

also adam and shrimp, if you think i am town at all.. can you please trust my read on mollie?

I'm not going to agree with your read on mollie.
In post

206

you say you have a huge scum read on mollie, and then later on you want to team up.
Totally switchy.
In post

381

you even tell adam to take his vote off of Mollie, because if he doesn't you're calling him scum.
Sounds like a threat.
And in one of your latest posts, you say " Adam, levi or guille should be lynched this day. "
I really don't agree. Adam-12 is seriously getting a town read from me, and Guille has done nothing else than make a case on those he finds suspicious.
I do not agree with almost anything you have been doing lately, so no, I will not trust your read on mollie.

Pirate mollie

, what happened to your oh so clear scum read on Leviathan93?
And in post 435 and 439 you seem pretty confident about your scum read on Adam-12, but instead of vote for him,
a couple posts later you just switch to vote Guille2015 because you agree with Mantisdreamz, that he is making a huge case on you.
So, it's an OMGUS.
And you say this

yeah I pretty much insult everybody most of the time I usually don't mean any of it if you find yourself wanting to reach through the computer and strangle me you can pretty much bank on me being town if you find yourself liking me and thinking I am making sense you should probably be worried.

For the so manyeth time you WIFOM. You are trying to prove to me that you are town because if you were scum, you would make more sense???

You are definitely number one scum read, and Mantisdreamz is climbing up that ladder too.
your excuse for team working is because you have apparently played so many games together.
I don't trust this at all, I'm going to ask you one question.
Do you two know each other personally?
It might be that one or even both are scum or town, but that you two would work together regardless of each others alignments.
If you did know each other personally, there would be no stopping from you two communicating outside the game.
Which would ruin the game completely.

Leviathan93

,
can you please place a new post with your reads?

[Shrimp85]

@Guille2015 , what do you think about what I mentioned in my last post?

[Mantisdreamz]

Adam, levi or guille should be lynched this day.

I don't get the Levi scumread. All I really see is that you assert that it's plausible that prohawk and levi could be scum together (#386). You definitely had him as town earlier and I don't get the reason for 1) the change in the first place or 2) how that would hold up now that you think prohawk's looking more town in #485 (which I also don't get). Explain?

i liked pro hawk's vote switch to guille.

i had levi as town at the beginning for a reason that i have no recollection of right now. <- i bet someone's going to try to use that sentence against me.

levi does not seem that town to me right now. need more participation from him.