Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[pappums rat]

Votecount 3.8

"You'd better clear off before my bones come back, Dobby, or else I might strangle you." -Harry Potter
"Dobby is used to death threats, sir. Dobby gets them five times a day at home." -Dobby, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

Elscouta - 6 (Cheery Dog, Acosmist, AngryPidgeon, MagnaofIllusion, Kise, Yates)
AngryPidgeon - 3 (mykonian, Elscouta, jasonT1981)
MagnaofIllusion - 3 (mastin2, Nero Cain, Thor665)
Acosmist - 1 (Kublai Khan)
Thor665 - 1 (PeregrineV)
mykonian - 1 (pidgey)

Not voting - zabriel

Nero Cain, mastin2, PeregrineV, and zabriel are V/LA.

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 3 is 9 PM EST on November 30, 2012.

[Kise]

MoI

So, a little late to this party, but I seem to recall Nero Cain claiming the kill on d1. Was that already ruled crazy reaction nonsense wasn't watching, or has that just been forgotten?

Earlier, I said that although both could be town, it'd be weird for zab to make this comment about Nero if they were buddies. It's not something I see someone misremembering about their partner, even if zab was lit up at the time.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Thanks!

[Thor665]

So I’m unsure on Thor. Town Thor should be sheeping me like he did in Amrun’s Policital game.

Thor – why did you not sheep my awesomeness and instead voted me?

My recollection is I sheeped the wagon and multiple people on it - not just you alone.

[pidgey]

I have no clue as to why people prefer elscouta over myk

[Thor665]

Because you've made a bad case and/or haven't repeated it enough?
That would be my guess.

Could you describe both cases to me in 2-3 sentences or so? Maybe I can spot which is more awesome.

[pidgey]

omg its thor

Why dont you look at my iso? Ill still give you bulletpoints:

FlipFlop on a stance on lynching tammy
FlipFlop on calling me scum/calling me town/ calling me scum (All for bad reasons)
Encouraged SK tammy to shoot scum "to prove tammy's towniness"
General scummyness

[pidgey]

Elscouta's case is there i just dont agree as much as with myk

[Thor665]

Your case looks pretty weak there. Gotta say.

[pidgey]

Not like I care to prove myself to you, especially since the 3 games i've played with you that you replaced in, you've all been scum and in each of them you refused to reread.

[pidgey]

btw its encouraged SK tammy to shoot BENMAGE THE COP lol im bad at writing

[Thor665]

Not like I care to prove myself to you, especially since the 3 games i've played with you that you replaced in, you've all been scum and in each of them you refused to reread.

So?

[Kublai Khan]

btw its encouraged SK tammy to shoot BENMAGE THE COP lol im bad at writing

That's kinda the big one, Thor665. Not once, not twice, not three times, but 5 different posts after Benmage claimed cop with a guilty on Tammy and Tammy claimed dayvig.

[Yates]

If you have questions or requests for info, please tell, but "pressure"? for what?

For that response.

Unvote: Elscouta

Can you link to two games where you were scum for me? Thanks in advance.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Just a reminder for those not paying attention ....

The deadline for Day 3 is 9 PM EST on November 30, 2012.[/b][/color]

Deadline is in approximately 60 hours. Unless you want to be scrambling right at deadline it's probably best to consolidate wagons now.

I'm on Els but would support wagons on Mykonian, Zab or Nero also.

[Elscouta]

If you have questions or requests for info, please tell, but "pressure"? for what?

For that response.

Unvote: Elscouta

Can you link to two games where you were scum for me? Thanks in advance.

You won't get much there. The only game where i was mafia, i replaced into a spot that had been selected for investigation before i came.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13336

On another note, I am kinda puzzled that the wagon on me went off pretty quickly, while the one on mykonian didn't, and (as far as I understood) the most important point on the case against me is "refused to take a stance on scum-mykonian". I'd like people that are voting me and didn't want to vote mykonian to explain their thoughts.

[Thor665]

btw its encouraged SK tammy to shoot BENMAGE THE COP lol im bad at writing

That's kinda the big one, Thor665. Not once, not twice, not three times, but 5 different posts after Benmage claimed cop with a guilty on Tammy and Tammy claimed dayvig.

What was his stated justification for that?
Because that almost seems too blatant to possibly come from scum to my mind.

On another note, I am kinda puzzled that the wagon on me went off pretty quickly, while the one on mykonian didn't, and (as far as I understood) the most important point on the case against me is "refused to take a stance on scum-mykonian".

Hurm.

@MoI - as someone okay with the Myrk lynch, does that synopsis hold water in your opinion?

[mykonian]

btw its encouraged SK tammy to shoot BENMAGE THE COP lol im bad at writing

That's kinda the big one, Thor665. Not once, not twice, not three times, but 5 different posts after Benmage claimed cop with a guilty on Tammy and Tammy claimed dayvig.

Meaning that if tammy was town, she should have shot the fakeclaiming cop. However, if she was scum, benmage flipping would confirm her as scum. If she were scum, she couldn't kill benmage, if she was town she had to.

I thought she was town.

[Thor665]

That makes decent sense to me, especially in light of her Day 1 shot.

Why would you presume scum would be willing to tank another of their players to kill the Vig though? Why not just shoot the Vig?

[MagnaofIllusion]

@KK

– How’s that Acosmist reading coming? Oh, did you forget you said you would do that and instead just wanted to come and active lurk?

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On another note, I am kinda puzzled that the wagon on me went off pretty quickly, while the one on mykonian didn't, and (as far as I understood) the most important point on the case against me is "refused to take a stance on scum-mykonian". I'd like people that are voting me and didn't want to vote mykonian to explain their thoughts.

I’d like to hear why you posted this given you’ve indicated not one iota of Mykonian suspicion before your wagon got momentum and were calling him an 'easy lynch' earlier today. Trying to distance? Far too late for that to be effective.

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Because that almost seems too blatant to possibly come from scum to my mind.

@MoI - as someone okay with the Myrk lynch, does that synopsis hold water in your opinion?

Not really. First he’s short selling the cases and points made against him and given it is within 3 days of deadline his ‘astonishment’ about his wagon finally getting momentum is pretty dubious.

Dog, here are some links for you to look at with a quick summary of why Els is under suspicion.

Post 2369 – he’s interested in having mastin’s 1v1 explored more even though he knows it isn’t a good idea. His explanation was effectively “it would give me data” but he’s yet to give an details about what sort of data he thought he would get.

Post 2391 – Calling people scum and not voting while his vote was idle.

Post 2471 – This is a good read IMO. Here I dissect how his 2465 is not from a town perspective at all. Note in that post he floated the “Myknonain is an easy target” concept that he never provided any evidence as to why he thought it to be true. Compare that now with his “Hmmm, why did Mykonian’s wagon not take off like mine” recent post. You would think if Mykonian was the easy target Els tried to portray there he would not be saying “Why didn’t he get wagonned more?”. Indication he isn’t coming from a place of saying what he believes but making arguments to fit the circumstances … aka scum.

Post 2581 – Nice dissection of how Els’s attempt to float that my suspicion of him is OMGUS is clearly fabricated crap.

Post 2700 – A general show that his stance on mykonian (He’s done nothing to be Town or Scum) and his 1v1 stance are scummy.

I think that should be enough reading material for you on Els as scum.

[mykonian]

That makes decent sense to me, especially in light of her Day 1 shot.

Why would you presume scum would be willing to tank another of their players to kill the Vig though? Why not just shoot the Vig?

There was a no kill N1.

Day one play by tammy mostly. Couldn't believe she was scum either. She was my nr1 townread.

[mastin2]

Was he just on a focused SK hunt, or what? Seems like a Dayvig that shoots scum should be scum's problem - why'd she get lynched at all?

My point exactly--she

shouldn't

have been lynched.
The only reason she was is because Benmage was an arrogant idiot,

Spoiler: benmage rambling

(yes, Benmage, I am calling you out--you lost a game which DC gave you the chance to win by immediately voting without a second thought in lylo, ignoring Occam's razor with regards to setup design. You might have once been a good town player, but right now, I hold very little respect for you--you might earn it back in a future game when you prove you can actually put aside your ego and accept you're not a scumhunting god, and/or actually get reads which are consistently good*, but until I see it for myself, I hold none)

the scum wanted her dead, there were a few idiot-town on there, and deadline was coming up so there was no viable counter-wagon. (Also, we couldn't get a consistent counterwagon. Aco/pidgey/MoI were all attempted, with none of them getting quite enough support.)

But you're completely correct--it WAS the scum's problem.

But why is attacking a cop openly scummy?

Have you seen how Benmage is now dead?
How he died last night, despite being a claimed cop?
How he died last night, despite N1 having no deaths at all? (Which strongly suggests protective PRs are present.)

That

is why. Throwing doubt on the cop is a perfect way to ensure that the cop is not protected by protective PRs. And despite how much I don't respect Benmage right now (Benmage, read the spoilers, please?), a cop is still a cop, to be protected so they can get more results. The fact that he died anyway suggests that either the scum had a way to kill him through protection (Strongman), or that he wasn't protected. (It can't be 'cause the protective role was blocked, since the scum RB is already dead.) If the latter, then MoI accomplished his job quite well, no?

Spoiler: more for Benmage

*Your one good read that game was LV. You lynched Leon, who was obvtown to everyone dead, you spearheaded the charter lynch, and you voted Evan immediately in lylo. 1/3 is NOT a good record. At

best

, that's average. Then there's this game, where you appealed to fear and focused on lynching a serial killer--not scum. That was your one and only real read. Tammy-as-scum, your result. You might have had other reads, but you were so focused on Tammy that they've been completely lost to the town. Even if Tammy HAD been groupscum, that level of obsession over pushing her would obfuscate your other reads, and you should be aware of the problem that'd present, for people to think that was your only true read.
So you might be raging at me for saying the above now, but I'm only saying it because I WANT you to be better, Benmage. I WANT to hold respect for you. I WANT for you to be that scumhunting god. It's just that right now, with your current play...you're not.

I hold no grudge. I might be a bit bitter, but I've had far worse experiences, so your play doesn't bother me. It's that I just wish it were better than it is now.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Thor

- Actually here is another reading assignment. This one revolves around mykonian's play re: Tammy

Post 2238 - I think it will be enlightening.

[MagnaofIllusion]

That is why. Throwing doubt on the cop is a perfect way to ensure that the cop is not protected by protective PRs.

Dear god is this stupid. Your premise is that Benmage wouldn't be protected because I asked him to confirm he wasn't gambitting (and despite your "casting doubt" Appeal to Repetition that is exactly what I did). After we lynched a Serial Killer.

Do you seriously write these things and believe them?

The only way he wasn't going to get protected is if there was any doubt left about the veracity of his investigation. Players like Nero had floated the concept of him being a MafiaRoleCop. So the only way he wasn't going to be protected was not lynching Tammy (and confirming she was scum).

So his death actually means more likely scum has a Strongman ability of some sort, any Town protective roles were idle overnight, or said protective roles were morons.

[Thor665]

That makes decent sense to me, especially in light of her Day 1 shot.

Why would you presume scum would be willing to tank another of their players to kill the Vig though? Why not just shoot the Vig?

There was a no kill N1.

Day one play by tammy mostly. Couldn't believe she was scum either. She was my nr1 townread.

1. That's probably why I talked about a Day kill.

2. Hurm...

Intent to hammer Elscouta, claim pl0x