Mini 1397: War is Hell (Game Over)

[kdowns]

We are all pretty much V/LA

[Albert B. Rampage]

V/LA until Monday

[Mr. Flay]

Obviously I will be a little lenient with prods/activity during the Thanksgiving holiday.

Second Damage Tally of Epoch I:

• PeregrineV
  ,
  kdowns
  , and
  Yosarian2
  have taken 1 HP damage.
  
  
• Lady Lambdadelta
  ,
  charter
  , and
  Zdenek
  are at 1 HP above normal maximum.
  
  
• kanyeknowsbest
  ,
  MattP
  ,
  Kinetic
  ,
  quadz08
  and
  Tierce
  are all at their default HP total after getting and giving Heals.
  
  

  ---

  
  
• scooby
  , and
  Albert B. Rampage
  are undamaged.

[Tierce]

LLD, charter, Zdenek should offer Heals, as should scooby and ABR. A way of making sure everyone gets Heals is:

scooby Heals ABR
ABR Heals scooby
LLD Heals PeregrineV
charter Heals kdowns
Zdenek Heals Yosarian2

[Zdenek]

This whole healing scheme is ridiculous, and Tierce is putting no thought into it at all. Just look at her first two suggestions.

At most we can have about half the people at +1, where 6 people heal six others to +1 and then wait to go back to full health when they accumulate rage. Othewise we are just going around in circles, which is what Tierce's suggestion accomplishes. I'm happy setting us all back to 0, but was that really meant to be the point?

[Tierce]

...no, Zdenek. This is a

loan

. Go look at the mechanics. We will recover this lost HP when Rage accumulates, and then we'll have "initial health +1".

Read before making accusations of me not thinking about the mechanics, kthx.

[Zdenek]

Huh? We all started at 0. Here's what's happened:

Kinetic healed quadz
Quadz healed mattp
Mattp healed KKB
KKB healed Tierce
Tierce healed LLD
PeregrineV healed Kinetic
Yosarian Healed Charter
kdowns healed zdenek


Kinetic -1
Kinetic +1
Mattp +1
Mattp -1
Quadz +1
quadz -1
KKB +1
KKB -1
Tierce +1
Tierce -1
LLD +1
PeregrineV -1
Yos -1
Charter +1
Kdowns -1
Zdenek +!

Putting us at:
Kinetic, MattP, quadz, KKB tierce at normal health
LLD, Charter, Zd at +1
Peregrine, Yos, Kdowns at -1

If we do what you suggested, we'll all be at zero.

And then rage will accumulate and nothing will happen.

What am I missing?

[Tierce]

Rage accumulates and we gain the 1 HP we used on Healing.

From Post 2: "In this game, Healing will 'steal' a HP from you until the next time you gain Rage."

It's a temporary loan. At Accumulation, we will gain health.

[Zdenek]

Mr. Flay, can the hit point we gain at rage accumulation take us over our original health?

[Zdenek]

Just in case yes.
HEAL: Yosarian

[Kinetic]

Zd, really. /face palm.

I'm not sure if that is a bad scum play to try and mess up and easy town plan or just poor play.

[Zdenek]

Zd, really. /face palm.

I'm not sure if that is a bad scum play to try and mess up and easy town plan or just poor play.

Why do you think that the rage accumulation will be able to take us over our original health.

I'd also still love to know to what practical use you think town can put claiming all use of rage that couldn't be achieved without claiming all of it.

[MattP]

Still waiting on charter

[quadz08]

Zdenek, I don't see why rage health-returns would NOT be able to put you up to +1 over max health, unless your role PM doesn't include the +1 health clause like the sample one does.

[Zdenek]

Your suggestion that there are scum/3rd party in this game who could outed by this healing business is laughable.

Reading the sample role pm, it says that a hit point is subtracted when you heal and you get it back when rage accumulates. There is no discussion of whether you will still get it back if you've already gotten it back in some other way. The point isn't that it's impossible for this to work. The point is why is it so obvious that this is the way that it works that Kinetic would be suspicious of me for not thinking that.

[charter]

VLA til sunday or so

[Kinetic]

Your suggestion that there are scum/3rd party in this game who could outed by this healing business is laughable.

Are you dense? The healing is to make it harder for scum or retarded town to rage kill someone in one shot. No one has claimed nor holds that it will catch scum.

Reading the sample role pm, it says that a hit point is subtracted when you heal and you get it back when rage accumulates. There is no discussion of whether you will still get it back if you've already gotten it back in some other way. The point isn't that it's impossible for this to work. The point is why is it so obvious that this is the way that it works that Kinetic would be suspicious of me for not thinking that.

Because you seem to have JUST read any of the rules or sample role PM in its entirety. Sounds to me your role PM is different maybe.

As to your nonsensical inability to understand that claiming rage use is town, the basic premise is town. And tips or tricks that we might use to catch scum who don't claim though would be useless if they were fully explained. And I am not going to clue in you or your scum buddies about how to avoid any missteps. Frankly, all you need to understand ins that failing to claim rage is scummy. You're free to accumulate rage all you want or not use it, but if you use, you claim.

vote : Zd

this is starting to get beyond the point where it can be excused. His lack of understanding seems to be to try and get information on how to avoid suspicious behavior, when all a townie needs to know is claim rage and everyone else in the game understands that.

[Zdenek]

Are you dense? The healing is to make it harder for scum or retarded town to rage kill someone in one shot. No one has claimed nor holds that it will catch scum.

How do you interpret this?

unless your role PM doesn't include the +1 health clause like the sample one does.

As to your nonsensical inability to understand that claiming rage use is town, the basic premise is town. And tips or tricks that we might use to catch scum who don't claim though would be useless if they were fully explained. And I am not going to clue in you or your scum buddies about how to avoid any missteps. Frankly, all you need to understand ins that failing to claim rage is scummy. You're free to accumulate rage all you want or not use it, but if you use, you claim.

This response is completely unacceptable considering how certain you are that us claiming all uses of rage is beneficial for the town.

I think that the only town use of rage is to speed up lynches. Otherwise it should not be used. There is absolutely no reason for town to claim the use under these circumstances. It benefits town for the scum to not know who has accumulated rage.

this is starting to get beyond the point where it can be excused. His lack of understanding seems to be to try and get information on how to avoid suspicious behavior, when all a townie needs to know is claim rage and everyone else in the game understands that.

If it was so obvious that the rage accumulation health point that we get can raise us over the the base amount, you would have explained here.

Kinetic has tried twice now to paint me as scummy. The first time is over the disagreement about whether or not to claim all uses of rage. Personally, I don't see this as necessary at all, I think that doing it will out town power roles and I think that it benefit town to have scum not know who has accumulated rage. In response to this, Kinetic has simply repeated his belief that it's a positive thing for town to claim and suggested that it might be helpful in scum hunting, but has given absolutely no concrete reason for why he holds this belief. The second time is over what may or may not be a misunderstanding about how the health point for rage accumulation works. Here he's given no reason for why it's so obvious that his interpretation should be the correct one. It could be, but that's not the point. The point is that if it's not obvious, then he has no reason to suspect me over a difference in understanding about mechanics.

Vote: Kinetic

[Kinetic]

Very simple why it's obvious. Everyone else in the game agrees its a good plan and it's obvious. You don't. Your OMGUS vote is noted. Please die scum.

[quadz08]

Yeah, I'm still very much in favor of this. Just to make it unofficially official:

VOTE: Zdenek

[Tierce]

Soooo another game of Zdenek tunneling on someone?

Hooray. This is my joyous face.

[MattP]

Ooooh no Tierce, read on Zdenek now

[MattP]

Fuck this charter waiting crap, gonna give me a fucking aneurysm. Consider me on "Waiting for charter to get back so that I can buttfuck him then" mode

[Tierce]

If I had a read on him, I would've given it.
I'm not one to let wagons grow on my Townreads. I do know that Zdenek can grind games into a halt by tunneling on people and deciding He, and I can see it starting already. Not pleased.

[Tierce]

Wow, submission fail.

EBWOP: "I'm not one to let wagons grow on my Townreads. I do know that Zdenek can grind games into a halt by tunneling on people and deciding He Is Always Right, and I can see it starting already. Not pleased."