Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[WrathChild]

mastin already called us as team, catch up. May as well try to keep the sinking ship afloat.

It's just a bs move. Tammy is L-1 and you worry about the numbers game that no one else is even thinking about. BS cop out. Get called on it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4470852

smh

Everybody cares about the numbers game. That's why people are talking about "double day" and "kill the sk now so we have more lynches". The fact is that lynching tammy now simply is the worse strategy, regardless of where you stand in the debate above.

If people didn't care about the numbers game, we'd have lynched Tammy 30 pages ago.

Do you have more bullshit kise? Because you are trying really hard to get as much in the thread as possible, as far as I can see.

Please explain how lynching the guilty read from a claimed cop is the worse strategy than anything. This sounds like certified bullshit and if Tammy flips mafia and not SK, this is going down as a connection.

[Benmage]

You can't play an lylo/mylo endgame numbers game on D2, when we have so little information on what could affect that.

Even Day shot?

etc etc.

Yeesh

@MYKO

... Vote back to L-1 and we can finally end this wtf...

[Benmage]

Unvoting Tammy, that's that shit I dont' like

A pidgey wagon,

that's that shit I don't LIKE

Nice reference.

[mykonian]

ok, try to follow me here, it's something basic. Lets try it with an example. Suppose this game wasn't this large, but 6 players were left right now. The question is the same, do we lynch tammy or not. If we lynch tammy there, we go into the night, scum kill someone, next day we are at 4. You can assume if the game isn't over, that it's mylo. What do you do in mylo? You no lynch, or you have a (semi) confirmed player. In the end, you lynched tammy, and you get a lynch at mylo/lylo. 2 in total.

Suppose you lynched someone else, and let tammy kill the next day. Those are two kills already. Then you lynch tammy in the 3p lylo. End result: a lynch, a kill, and a lynch on tammy. You gained a opportunity by making sure that the moment you lynch tammy is when the town ends up uneven at the start of the day. Two shots at that last mafia are better then just one.

And even if tammy just shoots someone you didn't really want dead, you didn't lose a thing over the case where you no lynch in mylo. So the best strategy is to let her shoot once more, see what happens, and then have the debate again if you want to keep her alive. There is no negative side to her killing once more, as we don't lose a lynch with it.


@benmage. We can pretend we can. You don't have the info either that tammy perhaps kills scum tomorrow. Worst case scenario, a town we didn't like in the first place gets killed, and in no way we lost a lynch because of it.



Oh, before I forget, the whole thing is assuming there's one scumteam, and tammy is a Day-SK. Which doesn't seem so outlandish to me.

[mykonian]

and I know thinking is hard, but you should try it sometime, rather then blindly following rules you don't understand.

[jasonT1981]

vote:Pidgey

not liking how he is only shouting why is Tammy not dead yet.

[Yates]

Thanks Veterans and Active Duties

You're welcome.

Please explain how lynching the guilty read from a claimed cop is the worse strategy than anything.

Please read the posts outlining how this can lead to a "Double Day" type of game [ISO of KK can help].

This is where KK actually calls this scenario "Double Day:"

Spoiler:

That's the point. It doubles the amount of days lynches that town has and halves the number of night-kills that scum has. It turns this game into a Double Day setup.

This was my take on it [which is very similar]:

Spoiler:

The point is; your argument is that Town benefits from extra days and vote analysis. My argument is that a Day vig affords us that opportunity with HALF the certain Town targets at night. Yes, scum will have *some* influence over the day kill. By comparison, scum has 100% autonomy over the night kill. Therefore, your reason for wanting to kill the Day Vig does not hold up under scrutiny.

The short-short version is there are a group of us who believe keeping Tammy alive is the right move because:
1. There are a number of reasons Ben may have had a false positive and Tammy may actually be a Town Vig [I might be the only one thinking this, in fairness]
2. Even if you think Tammy is 2nd team scum [since she likely wouldn't vig her scum partner D1] keeping her alive is the right move because you just limited scum kills in order to keep up this facade.
3. Even if you think Tammy is an SK, she needs to play ball [shoot with Town consent] in order to stay alive which *IS* playing to her win condition.
4. Tammy has stated repeatedly that she WILL allow Town to direct her shot.
5. Since we get to direct her shot, we effectively get an extra lynch without a night phase each day [Double Day] which still allows for "wagon" analysis [who voted to shoot player x] midday followed by normal analysis the following morning.

The downside to Double Day, as Benmage pointed out, is that it also limits Town night actions [no cop results]. I hadn't really taken that into consideration as I was focusing on the Double Day portion.

[mastin2]

/got nine pages to read, but back.
Forgot that Monday was a holiday, and that I therefore would not be here yesterday; my bad.
78-86, here we go.

[Acosmist]

VOTE: Tammy

[mykonian]

VOTE: Tammy

you don't get this game. You claim PGO. That means you have something to prove.

Exactly what have you done today?

[pidgey]

vote:Pidgey

not liking how he is only shouting why is Tammy not dead yet.

This one needs to die soon regardless of allignment.

[mykonian]

yeah yeah, pidgey, we know now.

apart from me, Jason, elscouta, zabriel and per, do you have any reads?

[Kise]

Suppose you lynched someone else, and let tammy kill the next day. Those are two kills already. Then you lynch tammy in the 3p lylo. End result: a lynch, a kill, and a lynch on tammy. You gained a opportunity by making sure that the moment you lynch tammy is when the town ends up uneven at the start of the day. Two shots at that last mafia are better then just one.

Equation is flawed. You have to factor in unpredictable variables such as life-saving claims, misshots, and innocent results that Ben shouldn't give out unless the doc is dead.

[mastin2]

By the way--I've mentioned Zoro's scum, right?

MoI just reconfirmed it. All his posts on the subject.

If he were town, he'd

know

better. Khan's right. Everyone off the Tammy wagon's right, on the game being double-day.

/on 83. But the scumteam's still MoI, Aco, Kise, and one more person on the wagon. (WC's my primary choice, but quite frankly, it's such a godawful wagon that I could see scum on ANY of the other five members. AP, pidgey, myk, snifit, and whoever else I'm forgetting.)

[mykonian]

Suppose you lynched someone else, and let tammy kill the next day. Those are two kills already. Then you lynch tammy in the 3p lylo. End result: a lynch, a kill, and a lynch on tammy. You gained a opportunity by making sure that the moment you lynch tammy is when the town ends up uneven at the start of the day. Two shots at that last mafia are better then just one.

Equation is flawed. You have to factor in unpredictable variables such as life-saving claims, misshots, and innocent results that Ben shouldn't give out unless the doc is dead.

In either scenario confirmed townies have the same value.

Don't try to bullshit theory. It's so obvious, as maths is hardly a subjective thing.

[pidgey]

I dont really have a read on jason he is just useless. Same for zabriel. Nice misrep though. Also nice guessing the setup on day 2 L-O-L. You talk about takinng an apperantly confirmed SK from your POV all the eay from day 2 to lylo. Laugh my ass off.


Ive said my reads already, if you apperantly knew youd check my iso, but here are some from the top of my head.

One of you or elscouta is scum.

AP is town to me and if he is scum and you lynch me i really hope he wins cause this town is apperantly sucking (cant lynch guiltys lolwut) and I like him more an my teammates.
NeroCain looks town because mostly of his rage towards my slot.
Benmage turns out to be town to me. (inb4 you dont say)
MoI i can go eithermway he is typical MoI still.
Peregrine is coasting big time and idmreally watch out for him. There is zero Original content out of that slot. Id put him in a be careful group.
Snifit looksmtown to me i dunno.
Mastin could easily be scum but lately my gut is telling me she might just be very tunneling smartypants town.

The rest i dont remember at the moment if im even close to being lynched ill post more.

[mykonian]

she claimed SK. So yeah, I'll assume that for the time being, tyvm.

And you spend a lot of time accusing the people who are voting you.

[mastin2]

Oh, right. Benmage is the ninth.

For obvious reasons, he's excluded. Butyeah. All remaining scum are on the Tammy wagon, and Aco/MoI/Kise are three of 'em.

If we can't convince the stupid idotic stubborn town players on said lunacy wagon to hop off, then Tammy will be lynched, I'll be killed, Benmage will waste his investigation on me, and we'll be here tomorrow, with people on the wagon going, "It had to be done!", "Well, that was stupid of me.", "WHY WAS MASTIN KILLED?!?", "Well...I'm clueless now.", "It was the right thing to do.", "What do we do now?!?" and so on.

All the while, the scum, which I'm pushing now, will have once more gotten away with nightkilling the players suspicious of them, and people won't bat an eye.

I'm calling that right now.

[pidgey]

Sorry for spelling grammar posting on phone.

Also you dont even know if scum or sk have tricks off their sleave like some sort of extra kill, poisoning, etc. So really your ideology of this game is just outstandingly incredibly bad if you somehownare not scum.

[mykonian]

unless I see tricks I'm not going to assume them on day 2.

[mastin2]

VOTE: Pidgey.

[pidgey]

Except you are

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) But at what cost?

[mykonian]

what trick did I assume?

We had no kill n1. We have a claimed day sk. I assume a single scumteam and a day SK. What exactly are you trying to say here?

[mastin2]

I dont really have a read on jason he is just useless.

:irony:

[mastin2]

Butyeah. While I'm not sold on pidgey being scum, he's in the pool, and I'd MUCH rather have him lynched than Tammy.