Kingmaker II-Game Over

[Rosso Carne]

Wake me up when September ends.

That's one of maybe two Green Day songs that I actually like.... [/random fact]

i bet the other one is Holiday

[Rosso Carne]

Your defense of PJ is striking me as funny, Thok. I feel that PJ should've answered to our suspicions, but you answered for him. Interesting, that's all.

I beleive it may be the explicity of which PJ's exclaiming how he was "scum last time, and town this time".

We all know that we all have an equal likelihood to be scum, due to the mod, randomly assigning roles to everyone. Although we appreciate that fact that we can use information and techniques learned from last game in this game, I feel that he shouldn't have to keep on repeating how he was

scum last time

, as if it offers some validity to his arguements for

THIS

game.

so pj and vaughn are scum together again...

and its vaughn quietly telling PJ what to do.

[Rosso Carne]

vote Glork

I think his play so far has been more in the interest of browbeating the kingmaker into kinging him for tommorrow than actually

catching scum

Glork's a damn fine player, I have the upmost respect for him, I've read Kingmaker I as well as all of the postgame commentary and my conclusion after having read all that is that the person with the most insight into how the game works and has the highest chance of catching scum in KMII is PJ.

How do I come to this conclusion? I've played quite a few games with PJ, on the forums and on scumchat, he's HIGHLY analytic, actually keeps histories of people he plays with to spot differences, and most important of all, when he's given a position, he will think of a large number of strategies that could be beneficial or not for that position and the thing about people like PJ, the wheels just never stop turning.

If you look at what he's posted for Kingmaker I and the postgame commentary, you would undoubtedly be impressed with the amount of thinking that he's put into that position, but that's just the tip of the iceberg, those are just the ideas that he felt were good enough to share with us or that he had time to write down and post, I have no doubt that he has a plethora of other strategies he's thought of in the scum position that he either rejected or forgot about or just didn't have the time to post. When scum try that in this game, PJ's the guy who's probably got the best chance of picking up on that. How would I know this? Because from my experience of playing with PJ, that's the type of guy I think he is.

I'm pretty sure Glork's got the same idea of how great a player PJ is, he's no fool and he's not a poor judge of character.

Now consider Glork's reaction to the fact that he was not picked as King, what does he do? He decides to browbeat the shit out of the KMer, basically taking the idea that he's a better choice than PJ trying to stuff it down the throat of "whichever poor noob didn't make him king".

What the heck is the point of this? He KNOWS it's a vanilla only game, there's no doctor that can protect him from the baddies! Perhaps he wants to make it absolutely clear to those bad bad mafia that he's definitely the best choice for the nightkill cuz he's going to completely wipe the floor with them if he ever gets the crown?

The above was sarcasm btw.

Glork's trying to imprint the idea that he must be made King into the head of the Kingmaker and disguising that as trying to get a reaction out of PJ by placing him under emotional duress(this is not a good idea, we want to know how PJ would act normally, not how he'll act when he's bent out of shape)

hurry up glorkscum, toss a few buddies under the bus and mebbe you'll fool us ^.^

:goodposting:

[Rosso Carne]

ok so now that ive actually read:

pj is scum, no doubt about it.

pablito is stupid, no doubt about it.

If there's not a good king tommorow, i will condone outting him just so the scum can kill him. {yes, thats a joke, but a serious one}. I can take PJ as king, but he's so obviously scum now.

Srsly, if fritz sint king tommorow, im gonna have to go dayvig on your ass.

kill:everyone on the phoebus wagon

. WTF d00dz.

[vikingfan]

Apologies for the delay- it's been a busy weekend.

I have seen people accusing of pj as being 'so obviously scum' as Rosso puts it, but I'm not seeing it. He's playing reasonably and I'm not seeing the neon signaling that he's scum.

I'm happy with my vote on pablito- his behavior is not computing for me.

[pablito]

Yeah, my behavior doesn't come in binary. That's probably why.

[Twomz]

Good to know... I was going to use that as a driving statement against SL later on (jk).

Welcome Rosso

[Glork]

Hmm... reasons that PJ is "so obviously scum," Rosso?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I have a bad feeling about Glork. Just a hunch, but

IGMEOY: Glork

You better be on your best behavior, son.

Best behavior my ass.


YOU HAVE NOTHING ON ME!

I have Amelia on you! Pictures, at least >_>

[Twomz]

My last statement was meant to go on the end of the previous page.

[Ameliaslay]

I have a bad feeling about Glork. Just a hunch, but

IGMEOY: Glork

You better be on your best behavior, son.

Best behavior my ass.


YOU HAVE NOTHING ON ME!

I have Amelia on you! Pictures, at least >_>

Orly? :rasieseyebrow:

[Mastermind of Sin]

Wanna see? They are teh awexome.

[pablito]

@Thok, what's your thought on Mert?

[Glork]

Wanna see? They are teh awexome.

IM me. <.<

[Thok]

@Thok, what's your thought on Mert?

Gah- I hadn't been really paying attention to him in particular, and you forced me to do a reread. He's probably spent a bit too much time on theory discussion for me (which is a good way of actively lurking early in the game), but I have less trouble with his votes.

I'm also not sure he'd repropose a system that was linked in part to PJ and scum last time, although this is prone to WIFOM.

I also saw your attacks on Mert, and I felt you were overpressing your attack on his votes; I see all of his votes being reasonable reactions to what's happened in the thread.

Why are you asking me in particular?

Also, on rethinking,

vote Vaughn, unvote Ameliaslay, unvote Fritzler

. Of my votes, I favor a pablito or Vaughn execution currently.

[spectrumvoid]

I'm busy yesterday, today, probably latest sunday. Rushing out a mega project.

[Vaughn]

Oh yeah? Do discuss why I'm on your chopping block, Thok.

[Dead Rikimaru]

I had limited time during this week.
Catching up now, posting soon.

[Twomz]

*cough*

I have games that are in night that are above this... so i'm bumping it up...

I think it would help if PJ posted a LoE and we moved on from there. Hopefully that will boost discussion.

[cardb0ardb0x]

Agreed. Random 1st Round discussion seems mostly pointless. An LoE would bring focus.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'll third the request for a LOE.

[spectrumvoid]

I'm back. I'll fourth it. (I actually asked for it quite some time ago, but someone thought it wasn't a good idea.) It's really difficult to analyse so many people at the same time.

[pablito]

CDB, you've posted.

I assume that means you've ignored post 252:

Pablito is definitely scum. Who else sees the slightest bit of difference between an FOS and a vote in THIS game? Only jumpy scum.

For the record, I'm thrilled with MoS's policy of not voting. No problem with it whatsoever.

As a person who frequently uses both FOS's and IGMEOY's in non-Kingmaker games, I could see the difference between a vote and an FOS here; it's showing how confident you are in you judgement.

That said, pablito's last comment gives me a bit of a pablito-bird scum vibe; specifically the fact that pablito is calling out bird for being lurkerish, while changing his vote to an FOS. It's enough to for a vote bird.

CDB, Please comment on this post. You should.

[Thok]

Wonders what pablito thinks he is talking about.

@Vaughn-reasons you are on my chopping block

1. The jump on MBL's comment about PJ.
2. Your response to my response, which I've decided is strangely phrased. You seem to be attacking me/PJ, but you never come out and say it.
3. Backpedalling on your initial support of wagonning (Vaughnscum backpedals routinely)
4. Semilurking, you don't really have that much content compared to some. For example, the only players you've commented about are PJ/Glork/me/pablito, and you've only discussed me because I forced my way into your comments about PJ and said I thought you were a good lynch.

[pablito]

Thok, it's nothing on you. I'm checking out CDB's sense of consistency.