Mini 365- Thinking Mafia - Game Over!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That sounds like a good plan.

[Mert]

Happy for Twomz to hammer, but I'm not 100% sold on him guaranteeing a Rosso nightkill at this time.

[Pink Princess]

Twomz, I don't think you should kill Red in the night, I'm not really seeing a good reason from you for a Rosso kill. I still don't understand why, could you answer my question in post 398? I feel like since you're an SK, I can't really trust you to have the town's best interest in mind so I need to be able to follow your logic here.

But I do think you should hammer Lowell, just in case he takes someone with him.

[Twomz]

Do you have a better suggestion P_P? Also, your defense of Rosso is noted.

[Lowell]

Twomz, I won't bite. You don't need them anyway. Kill 'em ALL I say.

Twomz = chicken

[Pink Princess]

I feel like the town is being directed by the SK. I don't like it.


Here is my dilemma:
If we lynch someone else and leave Lowell for Twomz, how do we know Twomz will really kill Lowell?
If we lynch Lowell, we basically leave Twomz loose to kill whomever he wants, (apparently Rosso) potentially pro-town roles or even power roles. There's really no reason for the town to let Twomz kill people at his leisure.
How are we going to get rid of Twomz?

[Pink Princess]

Bust. Simulposts.

Please do note my reluctance to kill Red. I'm not convinced he's scum, and I don't see anyone else posting valid reasons to kill him that I can follow.

I'm not sure what a better plan would be yet. I would like to hear some opinions on the questions have posted in 402 and hopefully we can come up with some sort of a plan.

[Twomz]

If we lynch someone else and leave Lowell for Twomz, how do we know Twomz will really kill Lowell?

If we don't lynch scu... i mean lowell, I will kill him tonight.

If we lynch Lowell, we basically leave Twomz loose to kill whomever he wants, (apparently Rosso) potentially pro-town roles or even power roles. There's really no reason for the town to let Twomz kill people at his leisure.

I'm actually really good at hitting scum w/ night abilities. Normally, I randomly choose someone out of my list of scummy people (usually someone I don't think is getting enough pressure, and isn't a primary lynch target, but is still scummy... also known as pwning lurkers). I have a really high scum kill rate as vig for somereaon.... And i'm pretty sure Rosso is scum.

How are we going to get rid of Twomz?

Y'all will probably lynch me after we kill the last scum.

I'm not sure what a better plan would be yet. I would like to hear some opinions on the questions have posted in 402 and hopefully we can come up with some sort of a plan.

Opinions from other players would be greatly appriciated, and would lower y'alls chances to be NKed for lurking (after I pwn Rosso).

[Mert]

I'm actually really good at hitting scum w/ night abilities.

Yes, but your win condition isn't to kill all the scum, your win condition is to kill

everyone

. How do we know that it's necessarily in your best interest to hit scum tonight?

Opinions from other players would be greatly appriciated, and would lower y'alls chances to be NKed for lurking (after I pwn Rosso).

What I'd really like to hear are your reasons behind thinking Rosso is scum. It's quite obvious you don't have the backing of the town for that action at the moment, so why not present a case to us on why it's such a good plan? I haven't made my mind up about him yet and I don't want you to kill him without at least having posted your reasons for doing so.


Incidentally, it's been a while since we've heard from Kurtz or RandomActs...

[Twomz]

He's more concerned about dieing from hammering people than he is of lynching scum. That's good enough reason for me.

[Mert]

Do you think that, after you, he's just paranoid that people will be kamis or do you think he

knows

that Lowell has that ability? I mean, I agree that he seems concerned about his own life but I guess I'm asking why you think that might be? To my mind, there's a distinct difference.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Yeah, you haven't heard from me because this discussion is stupid. He's probably just nervous about lynching Lowell because they are scum together. Throw your pardner under the bus and stop bitching about it.

[Rosso Carne]

ok, first off, i dont want to kill lowell because:

1. he wins
2. another pro-towner dies
3. twomz kills me {and i die}

Also, i dont have qualms about throwing a scum under the bus. espescially someone whos acted like lowell. im concerned for myself, yes, but because i dont want the town fucked over again like when we lynched twomz.

so can we just lynch twomz again and kill the chances of losing more pro-town people to a trigger happy SK who claims to be a vigger, and take out an SK.

[Mert]

If you're right and Lowell is kami scum, then how do you propose we get rid of him? We can lynch Twomz I guess, but if Lowell is scum then at some point we will need to lynch him or have him vigged. I see no evidence of a vig at the moment and there's no guarantee we have one at all. I don't want to bet the town's future on the possibility that there's a vig, frankly.

Would it not be better to have the SK hammer and maybe end up dying than waiting until endgame where we can't afford to lose a townie? If Lowell kamis in the endgame then then the town loses, but at least now we have some fallback in the form of Twomz, who is expendable.

Plus, if you're right and Lowell is a kami, then what's wrong with getting Twomz to hammer exactly? #3 can't happen if #1 is the case. Twomz said he'd only kill you if he doesn't get killed by hammering Lowell. So if Lowell is the kami that you're convinced he is then why are you fussed about Twomz hammering? The only way all three of your items can be true is if someone other than Twomz is the one to hammer, though I thought we'd already thrown out the idea of anyone but him doing it...

[Rosso Carne]

mert, if twomz hammahs, and im wrong, i die. granted, i dont think im wrong, but theres always a chance, and then id be pissed.

[Mert]

Two questions:

1. What do you think Lowell's alignment is?

2. How certain are you that the Lowell can kami? On a scale of one to ten, say.

[Twomz]

1) Scum, if he's town, he's not doing a good job of playing his alignment.

2) I'm sure he's not, 9 out of 10.

[Pink Princess]

I think we should lynch Lowell and hope our vig takes out Twomz tonight, if our vig doesn't, we should lynch Twomz tomorrow.

I don't think Red should be killed in the night.

I'll vote Lowell soon.

[Pink Princess]

Actually, I'm just as willing to lynch Twomz and let the vig take care of Lowell or lynch him tomorrow. I'm really unhappy with the idea of an SK on the loose killing randomly each night, good track record or not.

Either way. Let me know what the majority thinks.

[Rosso Carne]

LOWELL DOES NOT NEED TO BE LYNCHED!!!!!

[Rosso Carne]

srsly, town + lowell = town wins.

[Mert]

srsly, town + lowell = town wins.

So why the fake claim and hammer baiting? What I don't understand is that if he wins with the town then why does he seem to want to harm it? If he's a kami then baiting the town to hammer isn't helping anyone.

[Rosso Carne]

mert: kami wins when lynched.

[Pink Princess]

Oh. A kami wins when lynched? I thought that a kami just took someone else with him when lynched. Wow, that's a huge difference. Erm, I must have missed that part.

In that case, we should lynch Twomz.

Does a Kami usually come up guilty when investigated? That's the one hitch - mert got him as dirty.

Red - Do you think he is a kami becaause of the bogus claim and I-give-up speech or do you have more information?

[Pink Princess]

Maybe we shouldn't lynch Twomz either and let him take care of Lowell in the night. Just in case.