Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[Kise]

k, 2 more.

And this, ladies and gentlemen is why Kise needs to hang.

Keeps calling for lynches with one line posts.

You've been active lurking yourself this past week.

[pidgey]

Omfg thats not going to happen KK. Lets see you think tammy is SK correct? You sah she already lost no matter correct? Why in the fuck would someone you 100% believe is in that situation would play for the town for 2 months of her real life, all the while kinda still putting a facade that she is town?

Do you see the incredible failure in your argument?

Plus theres also the chance that she is part of a day scum group and that would clear that point.

[Kise]

The extra daykill really isn't needed. You guys need more confidence.

[Kublai Khan]

Omfg thats not going to happen KK. Lets see you think tammy is SK correct? You sah she already lost no matter correct? Why in the fuck would someone you 100% believe is in that situation would play for the town for 2 months of her real life, all the while kinda still putting a facade that she is town?

Read my posts. They anticipate your counter-arguments.

1) Yes, Tammy will say whatever to survive. However she will also do whatever to survive. She's outed, but as SK all she has to do is survive. She will gladly kill and has no target preference. There is no logical reason why she won't play ball, bide her time, and hope an opportunity opens up somehow.

Show me the "incredible failure" in my argument. First, read my arguments though.

The chance of her being "day scum" is pretty fucking dumb and I only threw the possibility out there to see if scum would try to use it as an argument.

"SO MANY UNKNOWNS!" is also a very bad argument as it could generically de-rail any lynch.

[pidgey]

Lol

There are no words

[Yates]

The extra daykill really isn't needed. You guys need more confidence.

That may or may not be true. My question is simply; wouldn't you rather HAVE that extra day kill?

Assuming a 3 person scum team w/ an SK, look at it like this:
D2 - we kill Tammy [she flips whatever]
N2 - Scum kill Town
D3 - Hooray! Ben lived and got a guilty! [lynch scum]
N3 - Scum kills Town
Best case: down 2 Town, 1 scum, 1 unknown

vs.
D2 - we kill Acosmist [he flips whatever - and we deal with the PGO claim]
N2 - Scum kill NC Town
D3 - Hooray! Ben lived and got a guilty! [Tammy kills scum]
D3 - Hooray! Another Town role saw who killed NC [lynch scum]
N3 - Profit?
Best case: down 1 Town, 2 scum, 1 unknown, and take care of the Tammy "problem" Day 4

[AngryPidgeon]

Pushing the idea that she must be BP and so we should lynch her is a scummy argument.

Misrep. I'm legitimalte asking you. WHEN do we lynch her then? you keep saying that if she isn't lynched today, then the discussion ends and everyone is happy. Wrong. Unless you think scum are going to NK her, she WILL be here and she WILL distract from actually playing the game.

[Yates]

Sorry - in 1855 I was supposed to include that NC is a PR [playing off KK's hypothetical] so we are also down a PR.

[Kublai Khan]

Lol

There are no words

Then write some, dumbass.

Your argument is the following:

1. Tammy not lynched
2. Next day, Tammy shoots whoever she wants.
3. Tammy is lynched.
4. ???
5. Profit?

Wheras my argument is:

1. Tammy not lynched.
2. Tammy does what town wants.
3. Scum forced to try to NK her.
4. Win-win for town.

Why are you against a win-win argument? What is the logic behind Tammy shooting someone not town-chosen?

I can't make this any clearer. I don't want to break out hand puppets. Someone please make an argument that isn't "Khan is wrong, therefore scum".

P.Edit:

Pushing the idea that she must be BP and so we should lynch her is a scummy argument.

Misrep. I'm legitimalte asking you. WHEN do we lynch her then? you keep saying that if she isn't lynched today, then the discussion ends and everyone is happy. Wrong. Unless you think scum are going to NK her, she WILL be here and she WILL distract from actually playing the game.

We don't lynch her. Scum needs to kill her to win. Scum HAS to kill her. Even if she's x-shot BP, scum has to waste their NKs to kill her. We can only legitimately help scum by leaving her alive. The most massive downside if she shoots on her own is that we are only 1 townie down.

[Kublai Khan]

We can only legitimately help scum by leaving her alive.

EDIT: We can only legitimately help scum by lynching her.

(Should be obvious from my arguments though.)

[AngryPidgeon]

Post 1855

Seriously Yates, the actual fuck are you talking about.

[PeregrineV]

A game with no kills on day1 is not a multiball game. A SK that wishes to play to her WC after the town says "kill X or we kill you" will kill X. That's called self-preservation. Tammy-SK odds of victory are actually as close to zero as one can get. The only way that they stay a bit above zero is by following what the town says and hoping for a miracle. An extra lynch with the slight possibility of a miracle SK secret backdoor win sounds like a great deal to me.

This is why the leashing is viable.

[PeregrineV]

We need Tammy acknoledging she will follow the town decisions.

And this. Because as of the bottom of page 71 and all pages before that, Tammy does not acknowledge that town gets to direct her target. If she can't agree to it, she needs to be lynched.
It has to be a majority, just like the lynch. Shooting early or not shooting the designated target = Tammy lynch.

[jasonT1981]

k, 2 more.

And this, ladies and gentlemen is why Kise needs to hang.

Keeps calling for lynches with one line posts.

You've been active lurking yourself this past week.

Hardly, this is my 24th post since the weekend. Posted every day, even with having no computer access for quite some time of it due to a blown monitor.

[pidgey]

Khan asshole your fucking ass.

I dont agree with you but im not even callin you scum at all you idiot. There are no reasons to keep an SK at leash. He already shot once: did he shot a concensus of who everyone thought was a scum? Lol no. We ended up with one townie less. Plus scum aldo habe a say on who to shoot. Plus tammy can go berserk at any time and easily excuse herself lime she did eith theadmiral.

Plus roles lime vig already make games too damn fkn swingy for both town or scum. What males you think SK on leash will keep inin favour of the town?

The worst part is that the posture everyone is taking is probably one they would make as town or scum so infind all of this to be fluff and null.

Stop guessing the setup peregrine.

[Kise]

The extra daykill really isn't needed. You guys need more confidence.

That may or may not be true. My question is simply; wouldn't you rather HAVE that extra day kill?

I did, but not any more. It can get messy with so many people directing shots (we can't agree to lynch Tammy. how can we agree on who gets shot?). I haven't seen many trying to direct shots at their prime suspect (like me). Instead, they want shots aimed at lone, independent or unsupported players who more than likely won't have anyone defending them from being shot (I'm speaking as though said players are town).

If she's SK, not being investigation-immune in a 21-p game sucks enough..so, the mod must have thought her extra daykilling would put us in lylo sooner than later to help balance and give the SK a better shot at winning.

Or there's a day mafia that she's apart of... And if so, we can look into zab and whoever else may have slipped. But if she's SK, then interactions among one group of mafia should be more simplified, so I still don't feel the need to rely on the extra daykill.

I wouldn't mind taking things one lynch at a time but the way the day phases are being dragged out.... if I wasn't patient, I'd be on full lurk mode. Nobody but the cop knows shit for certain. The day is still going on for what? Rage posts and speculation? Discussion has been opened for long enough. We need flips.

[AngryPidgeon]

did he shot a concensus of who everyone thought was a scum? Lol no.

[pidgey]

I hate phone posting btw

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh look KK, Tammy ALREADY DIDN'T SHOOT WHO WE TOLD HER TO. GUESS TODAY IS THE DAY TO LYNCH HER, RIGHT? RIGHT!

[PeregrineV]

1) Yes, Tammy will say whatever to survive. However she will also do whatever to survive. She's outed, but as SK all she has to do is survive. She will gladly kill and has no target preference. There is no logical reason why she won't play ball, bide her time, and hope an opportunity opens up somehow.
2) DayKill choice will be done the same way as lynches. Majority.
3) Scum can influence the kill, but no more then they can influence a normal lynch. Town gets to double lynch.
4) Only flaw is that she won't target Acosmist, but he's been scummy as fuck, so today is as good as any to remove him from the equation.
5) Of the known roles, Scum have to choose between killing the Cop (who will likely be protected), a known SK, other lesser town roles (Hi, Nero Cain), or an unknown.

I think it's more likely that scum are pushing for the Tammy-lynch to save themselves the trouble of NKing her. I also think you're unwittingly helping them. Your fear of being shot tomorrow is retarded.

[Kise]

Hardly, this is my 24th post since the weekend. Posted every day, even with having no computer access for quite some time of it due to a blown monitor.

Quantity =/= quality. You pop in and don't do much if anything.

Welcome to the active lurk club.

[Kise]

I did, but not any more. It can get messy with so many people directing shots (we can't agree to lynch Tammy. how can we agree on who gets shot?). I haven't seen many trying to direct shots at their prime suspect (like me).

for instance, Mastin. Why not shoot me and deal with being wrong the same day? Where's your list of alternative scum if/once your suspects flip town? Why are you ignoring answering WHY you have people down as scum in the first place?

[pidgey]

Also i genuinly believe after a quick iso glimpse that tammybis part of a second scum group

[Benmage]

The extra daykill really isn't needed. You guys need more confidence.

That may or may not be true. My question is simply; wouldn't you rather HAVE that extra day kill?

Assuming a 3 person scum team w/ an SK, look at it like this:
D2 - we kill Tammy [she flips whatever]
N2 - Scum kill Town
D3 - Hooray! Ben lived and got a guilty! [lynch scum]
N3 - Scum kills Town
Best case: down 2 Town, 1 scum, 1 unknown

vs.
D2 - we kill Acosmist [he flips whatever - and we deal with the PGO claim]
N2 - Scum kill NC Town
D3 - Hooray! Ben lived and got a guilty! [Tammy kills scum]
D3 - Hooray! Another Town role saw who killed NC [lynch scum]
N3 - Profit?
Best case: down 1 Town, 2 scum, 1 unknown, and take care of the Tammy "problem" Day 4

You forgot to mention in scenario 1 that there's 2 scum. The one I caught, and the one from the random TownPR that saw NC. So D4 we have a scum to kill, and no chance of a mislynch. If we keep lynching correctly we don't lose. Who cares how NK's work. We don't mislynch, we don't lose. We don't need misfires on town.

We have to deal with SK eventually. Now is the optimal time.

You also fail to state that second PR that caught NC or w/e is now also outted meaning said PR and I will likely both not survive following nights. Moreover it is simply much more likelier that I clear more townies, over catching scum... which can be equally as good.

[Benmage]

@PV:

bide her time, and hope an opportunity opens up somehow.

We can't predict the future, why risk getting fucked later.

You have no retort for this.

At some point Tammy will not play ball.

That is my point. Get rid of Tammy now while we can afford it the most.