Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

[DeasVail]

Eh, I still think Cheery Dog is town and don't recommend his lynch/vig. I don't really know what more I can say though.

[Titan]

I still wanna be on malp though soooo

pedit: oh yay new page fake vc incoming.

[Titan]

Unofficial Votecount 1.01

• Paschendale (7):
  Zeta, AurorusVox, Pandorica, BT, Phillammon, buldermar, torgonitoh
  
• combinatorialEnigma (5):
  Epic, BroodKingEXE, Paschendale, Sunshine and Rainbows, Noir
  
• Cheery Dog (3):
  Nachomamma8, Porfervor, Robocopter87
  
• DeasVail (2):
  Alsark, Guy_Named_Riggs
  
• buldermar (2):
  ActionDan, malpascp
  
• malpascp (2):
  Titan, Vifam
  
• Vifam (1):
  xtopherusD
  
• AurorusVox (1):
  Nikanor
  
• Nachomamma8 (1):
  Cheery Dog
  
  
  
• Not Voting (6): numberQ, Alduskkel, SoraAdvent, Maenara, DeasVail, combinatorialEnigma

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[xtopherusD]

Ohhhh. Fox and the Hound?

Now, Cheery Dog is always going on about not prying into people's town reads or the reasons for them... However, he himself has effectively listed 17 people he finds to be more Town than Scum - in a way, his town reads. He has refrained from posting the reasons behind it, so there's a positive there...
Besides, it's completely non-committal. Cheery Dog's "reads" are essentially "

Null

: People who haven't posted;

Not null

: Everyone else". Cheery Dog?

I've just seen I'm still voting Vifam
UNVOTE: Vifam
But until Cheery Dog doesn't answer to this, my vote doesn't yet belong anywhere.

[Cheery Dog]

Ohhhh. Fox and the Hound?

Now, Cheery Dog is always going on about not prying into people's town reads or the reasons for them... However, he himself has effectively listed 17 people he finds to be more Town than Scum - in a way, his town reads. He has refrained from posting the reasons behind it, so there's a positive there...
Besides, it's completely non-committal. Cheery Dog's "reads" are essentially "

Null

: People who haven't posted;

Not null

: Everyone else". Cheery Dog?

I've just seen I'm still voting Vifam
UNVOTE: Vifam
But until Cheery Dog doesn't answer to this, my vote doesn't yet belong anywhere.

What does that last line mean?

It's impossible for me to not have anything but null when people aren't posting. There are pewople I listed that have been posting which are still in the null category.
and I am seriously having second thoughts about my townread on Titan, the way in which he just changed his read of me looks wrong.

[Robocopter87]

Seriously the fake VCs are just plainly disrespectful.

[xtopherusD]

The last line means my vote will be going to you if you cannot convince me otherwise

I agree that the only possible read on non-posters is a null one. However, I don't think a natural reaction to the remainder is not having a single scumread ("If I actually had names to give you, I wouldn't be voting the person that claimed scum.") while the remainder are town ("people missing from this list [of non-posters] are my townreads").

Also, you didn't respond to the first part of that post. Why are you posting against asking about townreads here before willingly (to the extent of "in your next post after being asked") posting your own??

[Titan]

Seriously the fake VCs are just plainly disrespectful.

In what way? I do this in a large game where the activity is high. If they're bothering you ignore them. It’s not like they’re

hurting

anyone.

[Titan]

and I am seriously having second thoughts about my townread on Titan, the way in which he just changed his read of me looks wrong.

I saw/realized something that changed my mind about you.

[xtopherusD]

I think I agree with Robocopter here ( :O ). It's almost as if you're saying to the mods "You're not doing this quickly enough but it's okay because I'm here". Even if that's not the intent, that is how many people could read it.

[Titan]

I think I agree with Robocopter here ( :O ). It's almost as if you're saying to the mods "You're not doing this quickly enough but it's okay because I'm here". Even if that's not the intent, that is how many people could read it.

Umm, no? Like, not at all? I realize the mods aren't gods...

[Titan]

Oh crap you guys made me forget about something (Arthur) V/LA some time.

Mods: if this account ever needs prodding can you please prod our main accounts also because I don't think this account sends email notifications. Thank you

[Cheery Dog]

Also, you didn't respond to the first part of that post. Why are you posting against asking about townreads here before willingly (to the extent of "in your next post after being asked") posting your own??

I have nothing against people stating their townreads, and find that is in fact helpful, however giving the reasons for the townreads I believe is more useful for scum.

[Cheery Dog]

and I am seriously having second thoughts about my townread on Titan, the way in which he just changed his read of me looks wrong.

I saw/realized something that changed my mind about you.

Which was?

[xtopherusD]

Also, you didn't respond to the first part of that post. Why are you posting against asking about townreads here before willingly (to the extent of "in your next post after being asked") posting your own??

I have nothing against people stating their townreads, and find that is in fact helpful, however giving the reasons for the townreads I believe is more useful for scum.

I don't think I've heard that view before. I always have thought that posting who you think is "towniest" just gives scum an idea of how to cause the most damage with their night kill. Why does town want to know town's townreads??

Also... If knowing people's townreads is helpful to the town, why did you post a nulllist and not a townlist?

[Cheery Dog]

I don't think I've heard that view before. I always have thought that posting who you think is "towniest" just gives scum an idea of how to cause the most damage with their night kill. Why does town want to know town's townreads??

Also... If knowing people's townreads is helpful to the town, why did you post a nulllist and not a townlist?

To catch scum that change their views of people wildly, the most damage factor is why I don't really like asking for reasons of a townread, but people having the town reads out in the restrict how well scum are capable of mislynching people.

I was asked for my opinion on acceptable vig shots, I started with the null list as I figured that was easier to work with (I didn't realise I had as many town reads as I actually did after I posted the list)

[xtopherusD]

If you've already given who you think is Town, isn't it more helpful for people to be able to contest why you think that? If you've thought one way about something and you've thought about it wrong in some way, wouldn't you want to know, to then be more helpful to the town?

Then...

You're taking Porfervor seriously??
And do null players deserve to be killed for neither being town nor scum?
Also, it's a pretty long list. Wouldn't you agree that it would be preferable to keep a null list as minimal as possible, even if you have to completely change your reads?

[Cheery Dog]

If I feel it is required for me to give reasons, then yes, otherwise no.

I was dayvigged recently in another game by someone I didn't believe, and since that happened I am currently believable of those who apparently claim vig.
I will lower my null list when it gets possible, currently there are too many inactives to get clear reads.

[quadz08]

Votecount 1.6

Paschendale (7): Zeta, AurorusVox, Pandorica, BT, Phillammon, buldermar, torgonitoh
combinatorialEnigma (4): Epic, BroodKingEXE, Sunshine and Rainbows, Noir
DeasVail (3): Alsark, Guy_Named_Riggs, Paschendale
Cheery Dog (3): Nachomamma8, Porfervor, Robocopter87
malpascp (2): Titan, Vifam
buldermar (2): ActionDan, malpascp
Nachomamma8 (1): Cheery Dog
AurorusVox (1): Nikanor
Noir (0):
Vifam (0):
Titan (0):
Robocopter87 (0):
Pandorica (0):
numberQ (0):
Phillammon (0):
Alsark (0):
xtopherusD
Alduskkel
Epic
Sunshine and Rainbows
torgonitoh
ActionDan
SoraAdvent
Maenara
Porfervor
BroodKingEXE
Zeta
Guy_Named_Riggs
Nikanor
BT

Not Voting (7): numberQ, Alduskkel, SoraAdvent, Maenara, combinatorialEnigma, DeasVail, xtopherusD

Searching for a replacement for Paschendale.

Deadline is on November 21st.

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah it's not going to take 3 hours, I seriously don't feel up to analysing that much as it will just give me headaches full of paranoia (therefore divide the time I said it will take approx by 6)

2. combinatorialEnigma - from games they've died in, I believe I can establish that they like to post fluff as town, I have no knowledge of their scumgame.
3. Nachomamma8 - on pasch "scummy as fuck" to "town as fuck" from two posts in a row - this gives me bad vibes.
4. AurorusVox - ISO tells me nothing
5. Alduskkel - Hasn't posted since confimation stage, confirmation stage posts aren't telling me much.
7. malpascp - I fail to develop anything here, I can am seeing both sides of this story.
9. Paschendale - Votes have been bad, unsure what to make of his replace out, will wait for replacement for more information regarding this slot.

unvote buldermar

- Looking back over what he has written, I think he might be town now, but then again I did skim his posts as went I try to reread them I just go "bleh", the red font isn't helping.
15. ActionDan - Mostly gut says this is plausible, nothing is really telling me logically either way.
16. SoraAdvent - another completely nothing file, hooray.
17. Maenara - the most nothingest possible..
21. BroodKingEXE - and another pretty much nothing I can't do anything with
24. Guy_Named_Riggs - compeltely nothing here, vote on DeasVail doesn't seem useful
27. numberQ - and finally we arrive to another slot without content, one I will expect will need replaced at some stage (along with probably the other completely nulls)

people missing from this list are my townreads, and I'm not going to give reasons for them, probably won't either. (I did decide to move some off the null list I gave before)

Ok, my main scumreads are Paschendale & Nachomamma, given that Paschendale has now gone to be a replacement, I will go the secondary option unless I see something better.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

@porfevor, yes I haven't been scumhunting that hard so far this game, and this probably still doesn't mean much, but there you go.

god this is such BULLSHIT
murder him

I did have the same bad vibes when I read the post, and looking over his ISO, I couldn't find where I actually had good vibes coming from him.

"hi nacho is scum for calling him town and then calling him scum"
"oh wait nacho is scum, i was wrong when I called him town"
GET OUT
YOU ARE SCUM

oh yeah and the fact that you find me scummy for doing what you did (except I actually gave reasons for one of my switches, I think)

[Nachomamma8]

If I feel it is required for me to give reasons, then yes, otherwise no.

I was dayvigged recently in another game by someone I didn't believe, and since that happened I am currently believable of those who apparently claim vig.
I will lower my null list when it gets possible, currently there are too many inactives to get clear reads.

"oh hai i believe you because I don't want to get shot"
BLOOD

[Cheery Dog]

I did have the same bad vibes when I read the post, and looking over his ISO, I couldn't find where I actually had good vibes coming from him.

"hi nacho is scum for calling him town and then calling him scum"
"oh wait nacho is scum, i was wrong when I called him town"
GET OUT
YOU ARE SCUM

oh yeah and the fact that you find me scummy for doing what you did (except I actually gave reasons for one of my switches, I think)

I never called you town, I had thought there were some good vibes from somewhere else beforehand (but I think it might have been someone else's post) which is why you were in the null list and not out by yourself in a scum section.

[xtopherusD]

If I feel it is required for me to give reasons, then yes, otherwise no.

What kind of situation calls for you to feel "required" to give reasons? What drastic thing would have to happen for you to decide that you want to attest to your read??

I was dayvigged recently in another game by someone I didn't believe, and since that happened I am currently believable of those who apparently claim vig.
I will lower my null list when it gets possible, currently there are too many inactives to get clear reads.

I think I've essentially become the dayvig fodder if Porfervor is able to turn on someone who doesn't believe him/them, Dog.
There

has

to be a point where people who are staying in the null list too long start being scummy for staying out of the radar. And the thing is, you've been doing exactly that for some time now! And when confronted about it, you've stayed indecisive and vague about things. Is there seriously

no one

that you would see lynched other than someone who decided to claim scum?? Or Nacho... who you have "bad vibes" about.

[xtopherusD]

I did have the same bad vibes when I read the post, and looking over his ISO, I couldn't find where I actually had good vibes coming from him.

"hi nacho is scum for calling him town and then calling him scum"
"oh wait nacho is scum, i was wrong when I called him town"
GET OUT
YOU ARE SCUM

oh yeah and the fact that you find me scummy for doing what you did (except I actually gave reasons for one of my switches, I think)

I never called you town, I had thought there were some good vibes from somewhere else beforehand (but I think it might have been someone else's post) which is why you were in the null list and not out by yourself in a scum section.

Got ninja'd by this. The real problem here is the lack of a "scum section" altogether!

What do you think of Nacho?? Is he good or is he evil? Give me two words. The first will be "He's" and the second has to be four letters. There, you don't have to make a decision on how to say it, at least.

[torgonitoh]

I see many mans posts

but it seems same mans posts? so I look if mans not post

these mans 10 less posts 30 pages ok

ActionDan - 10 - i think this mans ok, words are many and good
Paschendale - 10 - this is bad mans
Alduskkel - 9 - this also bad mans, hide
ζ - 8 - read this squiggle. squiggle say this bad, now good, this bad, now good. he sits the fence, looks at nehbor pool
AurorusVox - 6 - this mans think more about names than who bad mans
BroodKingEXE - 6 - this mans do nothing
Ser Arthur Dayne - 4 - who is this mans? is in game?
Guy_Named_Riggs - 3 - this mans jump sadfox with other mans, no other thing
SoraAdvent - 3 - this mans take joke as no joke, and ////???
numberQ - 3 - this mans play game, i no read all words why me
Evanjalin - 1 - who is this mans????????///



i think 30 mans, 30 pages, bad mans hide.. let good mans get good mans


was many words, tired sleep ok