Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[AngryPidgeon]

I feel like I left my microphone on mute or something. Paging this thread. I have opinions and am a windbag. When people ignore me I die a little inside.

[mastin2]

I love how Mastin is ignoring RC's existence now that he has votes.

It's not that I'm ignoring RC. He's still almost certainly scum.

It's just that snifit

is

scum. He's caught in a lie, but beyond that, he's also been lurking the whole game, and if that wasn't enough, his content is junk and he's contributed virtually nothing of use.

[snifit]

Going out now. Yes, I meant that the reason supplied was not serious. Of course I knew I wanted to vote Cyber or Melmond. Splitting hairs about it is silly.

[AngryPidgeon]

Hmmm. Ok, but if you ever flip scum, I'm gunning for RC with a vengeance.

I have seen townies lie before. In fact I have done that before (and no Im not just talking about faking being a Vig as a Hider). I dislike cases like this because its easy to justify being wrong if he flips town, but I can see you doing it independent of alignment anyhow.

[mastin2]

Do you honestly think that was a serious vote?

I knew I wanted to vote Cyber or Melmond. Just had to check which one I wanted to vote more.

These two statements are mutually exclusive.

He can't have wanted to vote Cyber/Mel, checking to see which he wanted to vote more, and followed it through with a vote, and have it not have been serious. The vote was premeditated, planned out in advance. I've quoted the evidence showing his thoughts before AND after the vote that confirm he meant it at the time.

And yet, now he's trying to claim that it wasn't serious?

Again,

SNIFIT IS

CAUGHT IN A

LIE

. WE'RE LYNCHING THIS BASTARD TODAY.

[Nero Cain]

Its funny you accuse Mastin of ignoring RC (even he's pointd out that he found RC scummy and thought he and snifit were scum) while you are ignoring snifit...

[mastin2]

AP, aside from gambits, what's the town motivation for lying?

...Yeah, I'm coming up empty.

AP, what's the scum motivation for lying?

...Do I need to repeat that statement for you?

There's a reason LAL is enforced.

And you're also ignoring the other pieces of the case.
Snifit's not just scum because he's caught in a lie. His iso is crap, his content is junk, he's been lurking the entire game, and his stances have been highly scumtastic, with opportunism abounding. You're ignoring that part of the case.

[AngryPidgeon]

Meh. Im at least talking about Snifit and the votes therefore. I meant he was not even commenting on the mini RC wagon (if you count Jason's interest too)

PV, I sees you lurking. Thoughts on this? I know you were voting RC yesterday.

P-edit: Well, I will give you that townies lying have all been from gambits I've seen (and I have personally taken heat for doing them.

Ok, if Snifit's lack of content is scummy, why is Amrun town?

I don't think either alignment has much motivation to lie. I guess you could argue that this lie was a slip.

[Nero Cain]

All I've seen from you is "Townies sometimes lie" wich is just a light defense of snifit. What is your actual read?

[AngryPidgeon]

And I didn't see the other part of the case because the headline of it all is:

SNIFIT LIED: PEOPLE DIED

[AngryPidgeon]

Leaning scum. I didn't like Mastin's predecessor though so I've been pew-pewing Mastin since I know he will actually talk to me.

The whole "Ya Snifit and RC are both scum, I'll sheep Nero onto Snifit" and then successive ignoring of the RC support made me

And really I haven't gotten anything out of Mastin to make me think either way about him. Everything hes done so far just looks like Mastin to me. I'm not even seeing the boldness of the Snifit push as probtown since you are in the thick with him.

[mastin2]

Ok, if Snifit's lack of content is scummy, why is Amrun town?

Look at the difference.
Amrun was struggling just to keep in the game, and ultimately failed to do so. She was trying, and failing, to keep up. However, despite her failing efforts, she tried to contribute original thoughts to the game. I liked her push on zabriel, for instance.

snifit's lack of content is halfhearted. He was keeping up, but not trying to put any real effort into the game. In his lackluster content, his posts were highly unoriginal and contributed nothing really unique, with what little content he has being carefully worded and allowing him to back out if need be.

To summarize, it's tone and effort/intent/motive/general mindset. Amrun's posts were those of a stressed townie, snifit's have been that of a relaxed scum.

And, yes, there's motive as scum to lie. It's a

fundamental part of being scum

--to deceive the town, to mislead and misguide them by manipulation and distortion of the facts.

[mastin2]

And, again, AP, I'm not ignoring RC. I think RC's scum. However, it is possible (no matter how unlikely) that he's town.

Snifit, on the other hand, can only be scum.

[PeregrineV]

PV, I sees you lurking. Thoughts on this? I know you were voting RC yesterday.

No, here but skimming right now. Watching Mastin post but will need time to verify his claims.

[AngryPidgeon]

I guess my point is that obvious lies are not scumtells (Like I said about Fitz's 'lie' in 1377 about having a deadline in another game that he apparently didn't). Why would scum say something blatantly not true? In this event, I guess I see your point in that he is contradicting himself accidentally.

And to clarify my last post, Mastin's push is really balls-to-the-walls which is usually a town tell. But Nero equally pushing the case makes me think scum Mastin would be less afraid to go all out like this, so its kinda null.

P-edit: haha. Ok, I think Im starting to come around to Mastin. At least you are making me laugh: "Snifit, on the other hand, can only be scum." Not being mean, just found the wording funny.

[Nero Cain]

IDK, when I first joined this site I wasn't all that good (and I still don't think I'm

that

good) but still better than alot of people. So scum would call me town all the time since they knew I was town. After returning from rumspringa, I've been getting more and more town calling me town...though I'm still incredibly cautious/parinoid. Mastin has said before he though I was a good player so maybe he's being truthful...maybe not...idk.

[pidgey]

Hi guys i havent reread this thing. But i will soon!

Wow AP you are already attacking my poor slot Amrun what the hell man you wanna fight again?!?!?!

Just to know and because i think it helps, can someone tell me if there has been any sort of claims before i read?

[mykonian]

Do you honestly think that was a serious vote?

I knew I wanted to vote Cyber or Melmond. Just had to check which one I wanted to vote more.

These two statements are mutually exclusive.

He can't have wanted to vote Cyber/Mel, checking to see which he wanted to vote more, and followed it through with a vote, and have it not have been serious. The vote was premeditated, planned out in advance. I've quoted the evidence showing his thoughts before AND after the vote that confirm he meant it at the time.

And yet, now he's trying to claim that it wasn't serious?

Again,

SNIFIT IS

CAUGHT IN A

LIE

. WE'RE LYNCHING THIS BASTARD TODAY.

A. Now I need to fucking read that.
B. Very few players are stupid enough to actually lie.
C. The first sentence where you actually explain it is that you call "shifting from a non serious to a serious vote" a "

LIE

I'm not enthousiastic.

[mykonian]

Pidgey, I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt, but that's about it. I really don't like that amrun flaked, it's a bad sign.

[pidgey]

S'ok man. From what ive heard she had a personal loss lately and that's why she flaked from some games but its cool if thats a tell for you suspecting me I guess.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wow AP you are already attacking my poor slot Amrun what the hell man you wanna fight again?!?!?!

I will 1v1 you right now!

I didn't think Amrun was scum though. Never had any serious opinion of her for obvious reasons. And, unlike everyone else on the site, I think lurking isn't a tell >.>

[mastin2]

Myk, I think you're misreading what I'm saying.

I'm not saying he shifted a non-serious vote into a serious vote.

I'm saying he's lying about it ever having been not serious. The evidence is right there, in his iso. Both before, where he lays out Cyber-suspicion, and after, where he justifies his cyber-suspicion. He provided reasons before the vote. He provided reasons during the vote. He provided reasons after the vote. That's plenty serious.

[Nero Cain]

Just to know and because i think it helps, can someone tell me if there has been any sort of claims before i read?

I claim sexy mofo.

Don't think of Snifit as

lying

thing of him as

backtracking

.

The way it seemed in my head was

ZOMG YOU GUYS ARE LAZY TO CALL ME OUT ON MY VOTE WICH WASN'T SERIOUS BTW.

Which brings up the question why are we "lazy" as opposed to "scummy" Sounds like he knows we aren't scum.

Well the vote was serious but the reason I gave was a joke…

Which brings up the question why did he give a joke reason instead of trying to et the town to lynch Cyber.

[Nero Cain]

Hey Pidgey, remember what we spoke about.

[mykonian]

Myk, I think you're misreading what I'm saying.

I'm not saying he shifted a non-serious vote into a serious vote.

I'm saying he's lying about it ever having been not serious. The evidence is right there, in his iso. Both before, where he lays out Cyber-suspicion, and after, where he justifies his cyber-suspicion. He provided reasons before the vote. He provided reasons during the vote. He provided reasons after the vote. That's plenty serious.

Then I fail to see where I went wrong. And I fail to see how this justifies using

text like this

Basically I'm pretty sure you are bullshitting something that might look like a perfectly logical read, and I'm not going to let that shift the attention away from you.