Mafia in La-La Land (Game over!)

[PeregrineV]

Vote: RachMarie

Not living up to my town-RachMarie expectations at all this game, starting from replacing in until now.

[Jarvis]

Guys I talk thinks ll n is scm all sheep plz thZerI I will be very grateful thx thx thx

Autocorrect is my saviour

[Shiidaji]

Hi, reading the thread in the morning, been busy with VLR (Go play that now)

ALso Sandy's coming up the east coast right now so there's a possibility of no internet around Monday or so.

[Equinox]

Prod dodge if prods still exist. I've got a bunch of stuff due in a few hours, so I will get back to this as soon as that's done.

[greygnarl]

GROAN! Can we kill whoever I asked to kill in my last post?

[SnakePlissken]

Sorry I'm away most weekends, will catchup with VCs and prods tomorrow.

[Equinox]

Equinox/anyone else I guess:

How confident are you in Rach-town? Is there more to it than KoC and Gamma voting for her? Because looking back over it now, Gamma had already voted for KoC, so if he was willing to bus one partner, then why not another? The KoC vote I agree is a bit unlikely, but it's not like he really tries to get her lynched.

I have RachMarie listed just below Staeg in my notes, so I'm fairly confident; all I've got is pretty much Gammagooey's and Knight of Cydonia's behaviors toward her, though. Knight of Cydonia just switched to RachMarie like a guy would swat at a fly on his couch on a really humid day, so that led me to think that he was capitalizing on the momentum of RachMarie's lynch at the time, which, if I recall correctly, was fairly high up until that point.

Also, given how Knight of Cydonia played, I think the scum team would have been aware of their position. Knight of Cydonia might have known he's a weak scum player; I can check to see if he's said anything to that effect later if I remember to do so, but his dodging of the thread suggests he's not some scum mastermind. Gammagooey's town play differs enough from his scum play that it's noticeable, and he said that much here on Day 1. If RachMarie, someone who tends to get lynched, were scum with them, suddenly you've got 3 weak (or not-so-strong in the case of Gammagooey, though that depends on the player list) scum players out of a team of 4 or 5. Not really an optimal situation for multiple buses.

Actually, that reminds me.

Unvote

Partial reads:

ATM I am going with Jarvis, Peta, Equinoz, Shii, in the town pile

What is up with Sea? Are the mods replacing her? basically she is non- existent.

Which leaves

DV, Staeg, N, Pere, 4NX, and Grey who I need to look at more carefully.

These reads need more words and thought vomit.

Given that you've named Equinox, Jarvis, and petapan as town: What do you think of the cases for greygnarl and Staeg being town?

Also, what is your most controversial read and why do you have that read?

[N]

VOTE: N

How about you?

You don't seem very convinced.

[petapan]

i'm conflicted

[DeasVail]

N, why were you gone for so long? I missed you

[Jarvis]

VOTE: N

How about you?

You don't seem very convinced.

Should I be?

[4nxi3ty]

If RachMarie, someone who tends to get lynched, were scum with them, suddenly you've got 3 weak (or not-so-strong in the case of Gammagooey, though that depends on the player list) scum players out of a team of 4 or 5. Not really an optimal situation for multiple buses.

I find weaker scumteams are more prone to bussing than stronger scumteams because they tend to be more desperate for towncred.

Jarvis, you never answered DeasVail's question.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry, I can't take it anymore.

DAY 4, UNOFFICIAL VC#1

N (4) Shiidaji, DeasVail, Equinox, Jarvis
RachMarie (2) 4nxi3ty, N
Seastormjt (1) petapan
Staeg (0)
Jarvis (0)

Not Voting (5) Staeg, RachMarie, PeregrineV, Seastormjt, Greygnarl

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 6 to No Lynch.

@Equinox- It wasn't a vital question, it could wait.

Official Vote Count 4.1

4nxi3ty

(1) -

Petapan

N

(4) -

Shijdaji, DeasVail, Equinox, Jarvis,

Rachmarie

(3) -

4nxi3ty, N, Greygnarl

Not Voting:

Staeg, RachMarie, PeregrineV Seastormjt *

Day 4 ends 4th November 23:00 GMT

With 12 alive it takes 7 to Lynch or no lynch

*Replacement being sought

UnOfficial Vote Count 4.2

N (3) - Shijdaji, DeasVail, Jarvis
Rachmarie (3) - 4nxi3ty, N, PeregrineV
4nxi3ty (2) - Petapan, Greygnarl

Not Voting: Staeg, RachMarie, Seastormjt *, Equinox

Day 4 ends 4th November 23:00 GMT
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or No Lynch.

[greygnarl]

So I here there's some scum to catch.

[Jarvis]

Jarvis, you never answered DeasVail's question.

Yes I did.

And by the way...

What is your current read on jarvis?

leaning scum for how you were encouraging my lynch yesterday, basically it felt like you were trying to setup another mislynch ahead of time. And I think there is a good chance you intentionally added yourself to the dream seeing as the numbers don't quite add up. Also, iirc, kondi made some comment towards gamma that looked like coaching.

When you say "it felt like", you imply that you thought this yesterday, yes?

Another

mislynch? And no you aren't going to coast by on "iirc...some comment". Find that post.

No more bullshit reads from you, son. (that includes the peta read explanation)

[N]

VOTE: N

How about you?

You don't seem very convinced.

Should I be?

If you want to lynch someone, yes, you should be convinced they're scum.

[Jarvis]

Well, I guess there's your answer.

[N]

I was talking about optimal play; that is not the same as what you're doing.

[4nxi3ty]

Jarvis, you never answered DeasVail's question.

Yes I did.

no, you never answered this question:

Why 4nx?

When you say "it felt like", you imply that you thought this yesterday, yes?

Another

mislynch? And no you aren't going to coast by on "iirc...some comment". Find that post.

No more bullshit reads from you, son. (that includes the peta read explanation)

yes I did think you were trying to setup my lynch yesterday. the difference between then and now is I thought you were bussing konowa then whereas now I know you were just pushing a mislynch.

here is the comment by kondi:

Gamma, do something that will make me think you're town.

Can you explain your current Rach and N reads?

[PeregrineV]

Not Voting: Staeg, RachMarie, Seastormjt *, Equinox

Need to make a vote. Anyone, so we can see where you stand.

[DeasVail]

If you want to lynch someone, yes, you should be convinced they're scum.

[Jarvis]

I was talking about optimal play; that is not the same as what you're doing.

So let's be clear. This whole conservation was about optimal play - do you expect optimal play from me? Anyone? If I don't sound convinced, it might be because, y'know, I'm not. So really now, what was the point in that statement?

Jarvis, you never answered DeasVail's question.

Yes I did.

no, you never answered this question:

Why 4nx?

Oh that. Got an adequate response from peta already. Answer is "same reason as for you yesterday"

When you say "it felt like", you imply that you thought this yesterday, yes?

Another

mislynch? And no you aren't going to coast by on "iirc...some comment". Find that post.

No more bullshit reads from you, son. (that includes the peta read explanation)

yes I did think you were trying to setup my lynch yesterday. the difference between then and now is I thought you were bussing konowa then whereas now I know you were just pushing a mislynch.

here is the comment by kondi:

Gamma, do something that will make me think you're town.

Can you explain your current Rach and N reads?

I notice you've dropped your argument that went along with how I was referring to it as "my lynch" making me an obv-busser now Konowa's flipped town though, eh? Why do that as mislynching-scum?

Rach is too quiet to read. She's playing pretty much the same as in Newbie whatever-number, though, which I replaced into and mislynched her as scum - i.e. mislynch fodder. But I wouldn't say she's town. I'm just looking more suspiciously at those pushing her because as town she's getting mislynched and as scum she's going to be getting bussed.

And N is scum because KoC trying to just wing it on another easy mislynch first thing in the day makes no sense. Also because dream, and also because of that post I pointed out where he tried to defend against said KoC-behaviour point, which was either just a weak attempt at a defence, or a scum getting lynched for the wrong reason post. And the implication was there that he knows KoC's scumplay pretty well, which doesn't really sit with the justification. Immediate justification of potential perceived scumslips is also a pretty big alarm for me.

And we'll chuck in one on you too. Because your reads are weak. Like that one on peta. Vague meta and "felt sincere". lol

[Jarvis]

ooh look at me I did a little wall

[petapan]

KoC trying to just wing it on another easy mislynch first thing in the day makes no sense.

why doesn't it make sense idgi

[Jarvis]

Because he's just used up his easy-lynch-pushing-cred on PM, in what world is he expecting to get away with a mislynch on N? Specially with that vote-post.