Mini 365- Thinking Mafia - Game Over!

[Pink Princess]

p.s. I don't think I believe the claim.

[Arafax]

TWOMZ:
1. What happens if we do lynch you?
2. On your role, you win alone and come up guilty to the cop?...Sounds like SK.
3. At the end of the game, if you're alive do you solely win or does the town win?
4. I don't believe your claim.

[Twomz]

1. I won't die (amoung other things now that i've looked over my pm closer) and the day will end.

2. I when if I survive til the end (thus the "survivor" title) and my role is listed as Neutral... so i'll either show up as neutral or guilty to cops (I won't know til someone investigates me which one it is).

3. If we kill all the scum, me and the town win. If the scum kill all the town, they endgame me. If I die, I lose (that's why I don't like this kind of role, I rarely survive til the endgame... I need suicide roles more often).

4. That's fine, we can test it if you want.

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

there was no way you were going to get lynched.

i said i wasnt lynching you (im kind of a big deal around here)....

zomg why claim??

[Rosso Carne]

4. That's fine, we can test it if you want.

k

so here's the plan. We don't lynch twomzy now, and vig him tonight. sound good?

[Mert]

I'm not entirely sure I believe his claim... seems awfully convenient that when everyone wants to lynch him he suddenly claims an unlynchable role. But more than that, there’s something that I find disturbing about it:

4)

It's clear from the way my role is worded

, that I only have a certain number of "lynch passes". Although it doesn't say how many I have. (I doubt it's more than 2... it's probably just 1)

1. I won't die (amoung other things

now that i've looked over my pm closer

) and the day will end.

The emphasis is mine. In 323 you clearly indicate that you have read through your role again by saying how clear it is from the wording. You then go on in 327 to say you've now looked at your role closer and found that there are additional powers when you say "I won’t die (among other things…)" It seems to me that the following sequence of events has occurred:

- Rosso says in [265] that Twomz will claim Townie as it's what he always claims.
- Twomz doesn't claim Townie in 323 but claims Survivor.
- PP and Arafax [325 and 326 respectively] say that they don't believe his claim.
- Twomz [367] says "yeah well fine, I have extra powers I haven't told you about so you’d better be careful".

I don't believe your claim for a second but I guess there’s no real reason to test it out rather than follow Rosso's plan to just have you vigged. The only pitfall there being that we may not have a vig in this game but I guess we’ll find that out by Day Two anyway, at which point we can re-evaluate.

[Pink Princess]

2) I will show up as scum to cops at night (i am neutral after all) but i'm unsure if this will allow us to test the sanity lvls of cops or not.

2. I when if I survive til the end (thus the "survivor" title) and my role is listed as Neutral... so i'll either show up as neutral or guilty to cops (I won't know til someone investigates me which one it is).

I agree with mert, on the inconsistencies in the claims, significant with the admission that mert quoted. Above is the one that jumped out to me.

It also doesn't make sense that as a survivor, he only wins if it's him and town left at the end. So basically, he has to outlive all of the scum to win with the town? The role just doesn't make sense. Bascially, I don't know if I believe the claim enough to trust that he is, in fact, unlynchable. Rosso's plan is good if we do have a vig. If not, I guess we could lynch him tomorrow. (If he is an SK, though, that's another night kill...)

[Arafax]

I agree w/Pink here...I would assume that we probably have a Vig, but if not we are going to lose another person if Twomz kills tonight.

I think that we should lynch him now.

[Lowell]

If Twomz truly a "neutral" character, wouldn't he also win with the scum? If he gets "endgamed" by the scum, then what about his role would make him neutral and not town? I just don't get this role.

I'm comfortable with "testing" him, as he says. If we lynch him and he lives, he's telling the truth. He says he can only survive 1 (or 2) lynches. Well, it will only take 1 to test his claim. I doubt an SK would be given the power to withstand lynches (that seems a little too powerful, esp for a mini) so I'd feel okay if he survives it.

[Rosso Carne]

meh, theres the chance hes a kami. can i not hammah?

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

someone please give a quick summary of 'vig'?

if i were to guess it would be vigilante, guy that kills each night for the town?

are we suggesting that a town killer kills twomz tonight?

(just realised that if im right about the desc this post makes me look like i could be the vig, im not heh... just fwiw)

btw im still not voting twomz today.

[Twomz]

meh, theres the chance hes a kami. can i not hammah?

But you've been so adament about hamerring Rosso... I'd be insulted if you weren't the last person to vote for me .

Shouldn't we be trying to find scum instead of trying to find ways to kill the neutral player?

On the endgame scenario. It doesn't clarify it much in my role, but most games i've seen when there's a neutral player a townie and a scum alive in the endgame, and the townie gets lynched, then the scum endgame the neutral. That's the scenario i'm going on (which means that i'll likely vote for the person I think is most likely scum in that situation).

[Lowell]

Having the vig NK twomz is a terrible idea, if his claim is accurate. His "neutral" role sounds pretty pro-town to me.

I think the better idea is to lynch him, and to vote on who the vig should kill in the night. If twomz does turn out to be immune from a lynch, then we can pretty safely say he is what he claims to be (it would be a cruel mod that would create a scum or SK immune to lynches).

Plus, we don't lose our power of the vote, we just transfer it over to the vigilante. Twomz, if he's telling the truth, becomes a source of "clean" info.

I guess the worst case scenario is that we don't have a vig, and we've essentially "no lynched" for the day. I don't think that's likely, though, and the information we gain by knowing Twomz is telling the truth makes up for it.

[Colonel Kurtz]

I was going to say the same thing, actually. I think that confirming Twomz's role is probably the best thing, because the more confirmed townies we have, the easier it is to find anti-town people.

unvote Arafax, vote Twomz

[vikingfan]

Vote Count:

Twomz- 5 (Arafax, Pink Princess, Cogito Ergo Sum, Elias_the_thief, Colonel Kurtz)
Arafax- 2 (Mert, Twomz)
Colonel Kurtz- 1 (RandomActs)

Not voting (4): Bloojay, Lowell, omg_im_innocent_wtf, Rosso Carne

7 to lynch.

I'm going to prod bloojay again. If nothing, then I'll see about a replacement.

[Lowell]

Oh, right. I said it but didn't actually vote.

vote twomz

[Twomz]

Well, this is going to be interesting, see y'all tomorrow then.

[Arafax]

Come on Rosso....Hammah time!

[Twomz]

Yeah, you know you want to . Everybodies (hit the floor) doing it.

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

meh..... i guess it makes sense to me. still seems like a waste of a day tho, i really feel he is telling the truth

unvote

vote twomz

[vikingfan]

And that's a lynch!

The town was surrounding Twomz- telling him to claim or else his time was up on this planet. Twomz confidently responded that he was a survivor and that he would not die, even if they tried to string him up. They refused to believe him, and one by one, each took their turn leading him up to the scaffold. The final member, omg_im_inncoent_wtf, reached for the noose to kill Twomz, but- and no one saw exactly what happened- happened to fall off the scaffold instead. When the town investigated his dead body, they discovered a badge. It appears that, for the time being, Twomz was telling the truth and survived the lynch, though it cost another player his life.

omg_im_innocent_wtf- backup cop- lynched day one!

And for those of you who might be inclined to complain about the outcome of this lynch, contact me by PM. In the meantime, you have 72 hours to get in your choices. If no choice is submitted, no choice will be made.

edit: a couple more choices are still needed!

[vikingfan]

As the sun rises, the townspeople wake up and quickly scurry about, trying to discover if anyone has been brutally murdered. To the townspeople's sadness, Arafax was found dead outside his house. He had been apparently waylaid on his way home from a masonic meeting. To the townspeople's surprise, though, he had been both shot and stabbed- a most strange occurrence. No other bodies were found.

Arafax-Mason, shot and stabbed, Night 1

10 alive, 6 to lynch!

Oh, and Elias is gone for the weekend.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

*waits for Mert*

[Mert]

Vote: Lowell

That is all.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote: Lowell