Mini 365- Thinking Mafia - Game Over!

[Rosso Carne]

I must say, I am impressed with how well this game has moved, considering it's Day 1. No need for a deadline.

[Twomz]

Well, your antics are entertaining to the mod, so i suppose i won't use them in my analysis against you in the later game... if it comes to that .

[Elias_the_thief]

Seriously y'all... most all of y'all have played w/ me before... you know how I always get lynched on Day 1 for some stupid reason that I can't really defend against. And, I always turn up town. Don't waste this days like that and find the real scum. kthx.

mathematically, if you turned up town all those other times, it's highly likely that this time you'll turn up scum.
but seriously, what kind of defense it that? the last couple times i got lynched, i turned up town, so i must be town this time? besides your general scumminess throughout the game (kindly pointed out various times by various players), i'm

vote: twomz

for using such crappy logic to defend yourself.

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

i just worked it out...

elias + arafax ftw!!

[Arafax]

Listen, I thought that we were going to post our thoughts ito our posts...omg_im_innocent_wtf, WHY?

And, if your calling me scum (can't tell because you didn't post very clearly) you're wrong about my alligment....Can't speak for Elias.

Also, can we stop making connections when we don't know anyones alligment...It's fine to do on D2 or D3 when we actually have some info, but not now please.

[Elias_the_thief]

where and why is the connection between me and arafax?

[Twomz]

? I too am confused.

[Rosso Carne]

lets lynch twomz.

[Arafax]

lets lynch twomz.

How in the world do you not come off as scummy is beyond me....But for some reason, I don't think that you're scummy....Apparently no one else does either.

PS - Happy with my vote on Twomz

[Twomz]

I think Rosso's just being overeager. But, i'd rather lynch scum than try to lynch me.

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

"But, i'd rather lynch scum than try to lynch me."

O RLY?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

YARR RLY!

[Twomz]

NOOO WAI!?!?!?!

[Rosso Carne]

I think Rosso's just being overeager. But, i'd rather lynch scum than try to lynch me.

with that logic, wouldnt you want to lynch yourself?

[Twomz]

Why would i want to try to lynch myself when i'm not scum rosso?

[Rosso Carne]

see there's the tricky part. You are scum, and you're lying.

[Twomz]

All will become clear when/if I claim .

[Pink Princess]

Checking in.
Like my vote on Twomz. I'd definately like to hear some more opinions on the latest developments.

That's all.

[Elias_the_thief]

hmm. this game is going nowhere. some more people need to start posting.

[Arafax]

Mod

Can we prod : Bloojay, Lowell & Colonel Kurtz

again!

Thanks vikingfan.

I'm still happy with my vote on Twomz...That's all!

[Twomz]

Man, i wish i wasn't such a happy guy, then maybe people wouldn't be so content leaving their votes on me .

So, all the people voting me are doing so because... why again? I prefer that people say that they have no real reason to vote me or to actually post their reasons, as opposed to just saying I act scummy (which I always do when i'm town, so it's really irrelevent).

[Pink Princess]

Sure thing Twomz.
My reasons are in Post 258 and 270.

I also think that the defenses of "I'm always town" and "Would I really do that if I were scum?" are weak, and certainly not convincing enough for an unvote.

[Elias_the_thief]

my reasons were (mainly) the crappy logic you used as a defense in post 292. you can review my reasons in post 302 if you like.

[Twomz]

Hurrah! Rebuttal(?) time!

Also, directing the doc is scummy, please don't do it.

Reminding the doc that the cop would appreciate protection is scummy?

When the "cop" in question hasn't been proven yet, had been the main lynch candidate for most of the day, and he suggested that HE should be protected... then yes. I still don't believe mert is a cop (hmm, he seems to have stopped posting after the flak from his wagon let up), and directing the doc period should be concidered scummy. Who the doc protects should be left to the doc until it gets to the point where everyone "knows" what everyone else is (at which point, the "doc" is probably mafia anyway...)

I'd say that there's a 50% chance that mert is scum... and if he's scum that Arafax is one of his scumbuddies, who was trying to throw him under the bus, but now he's trying to difuse the bandwagon in a gambit that will give the scum a "confirmed" player for the first few days of the game.

1. You think there is a 50% potential of no cop in the game?
2. If he's scum, Arafax is his buddy and trying to throw him under the bus? What? What makes Arafax the scum out of everyone else on the wagon, and why would he sacrifice his buddy for no reason? (it's not like mert was going down, it was the third vote on a weak wagon) If A is scum, B is his partner with no real reason sounds like a set up. Weak.

1. Wait... you mean we might have more than one cop... OR maybe that cop has a feeling that mert is scum trying to draw him out and didn't counterclaim? Impossible!

2. 3rd votes on weak wagons are usually used to push them downhill. Besides, it's more of a feeling than a logical conclusion.

Your reasons for joining the mert wagon were weak,

If i remember right... it's cause i agreed w/ Rosso. So agreeing w/ someone is a weak reason now?

your reason (?) for joining the Arafax wagon is even weaker and it feels like you're giving yourself a free ticket to jump on the Kurtz wagon if that moves faster than the Arafax wagon.

It was very much a "bad feeling" vote... but yeah, basically besides that.

Twomz's latest post bothers me. Big huge

FoS Twomz

.

So, you spend a whole post discussing how "scummy" and "suspicious" i am... then FOS me?

Kk, let's check your other mentioned post.

What's w/ this "no cop" thing P_P? You don't think there's any chance that there's not another cop? Or that if there is another cop, he's smart enough not to just counterclaim because there could be 2 cops, or he could be scum and that's what he wants him to do?

Yeah, there could be two cops, but that obviously doesn't negate the fact that mert is cop in that scenario. If mert is, in fact, scum, it would be silly for the real cop not to counterclaim and get us a scum, in my opinion. And I don't believe there is not cop in this game. Al bases covered.

If there were 2 cops, besides mert, how would they know of each others existance? That scenario involves 2 cops, and one CLAIMED cop. If I were the cop I wouldn't counterclaimed, i'd just continue trying to get him lynched... or investigate him tonight, so i'd know if there really were 2 cops, or if he was just scum trying to draw me out.

But that wasn't the main point of my post. My main point was the craplogic about Arafax "throwing his partner under the bus" and the if A is scum, B is his partner with absolutely no logic behind it. (is there an official name for that ploy in the wiki?)

I believe the official name for scum throwing their partners under the bus is the Fritzler 2step... but i'm not sure . (throwing your partner under the bus can suffice for now). Well, it makes sense to me... so i'm not sure what the problem is. I'm sorry if you see situations like this differently than I do.

Hey Red, what's your opinion on a Kurtz wagon?

Another post where you attack me, then don't vote me... and this time you're trying to get on a Kurtz wagon too, after scolding me for it? I sure hope that's sarcasm...



On to Elias...

Seriously y'all... most all of y'all have played w/ me before... you know how I always get lynched on Day 1 for some stupid reason that I can't really defend against. And, I always turn up town. Don't waste this days like that and find the real scum. kthx.

mathematically, if you turned up town all those other times, it's highly likely that this time you'll turn up scum.
but seriously, what kind of defense it that? the last couple times i got lynched, i turned up town, so i must be town this time? besides your general scumminess throughout the game (kindly pointed out various times by various players), i'm

vote: twomz

for using such crappy logic to defend yourself.

"Last couple"? Out of well over 30 games, everytime i've been lynched on Day 1 i've been town. STFU and don't insult me w/ "last couple." And statistically, if I ALWAYS show up as town when i'm lynched on day 1, it's a 100% chance that i'll be town this time.

But, i've realized 2 things looking over the thread. 1) It's in the best interest of the town if I just claim now, so we can move on one way or the other. 2)... I don't want Rosso to hammer, unless i'm sure of his alignment. Well, it won't really matter if he tries to hammer me, cause it won't work... so i'm not going to worry about it right now.

Well, i'll go ahead and claim them. I'm a Survivor (woohoo). But, before you go and lynch me... I need to say a few things which may influence the lynch... 1) You can't lynch me... you can try, but it won't work. 2) I will show up as scum to cops at night (i am neutral after all) but i'm unsure if this will allow us to test the sanity lvls of cops or not. 3) If I make it to the endgame, I will stick to my moral code and help lynch people I think are scum. Since my wincondition is survive to the end of the game, it's in my best interests if i don't get endgamed by the scum. 4) It's clear from the way my role is worded, that I only have a certain number of "lynch passes". Although it doesn't say how many I have. (I doubt it's more than 2... it's probably just 1)

Well, that's it. Y'all can waste todays lynch on me if y'all want. I'll try to help y'all find scum as best I can. I'll also say this... I did get confused for most part of the day... until I rechecked my PM about a page ago, I thought I was townie... go figure.

[Pink Princess]

When the "cop" in question hasn't been proven yet, had been the main lynch candidate for most of the day, and he suggested that HE should be protected... then yes.

Good point.

Besides, it's more of a feeling than a logical conclusion.

I thought since it was followed by a vote it was more of a conclusion than a feeling.

So, you spend a whole post discussing how "scummy" and "suspicious" i am... then FOS me?

Yes, is that a point against me? If so, I don't get it.

If i remember right... it's cause i agreed w/ Rosso. So agreeing w/ someone is a weak reason now?

I generally think so, if the reason you are agreeing with is weak (which I thought it was, and Rosso himself called it a "big hunch") and you have no other reasons of your own.

I believe the official name for scum throwing their partners under the bus is the Fritzler 2step... but i'm not sure. (throwing your partner under the bus can suffice for now). Well, it makes sense to me... so i'm not sure what the problem is. I'm sorry if you see situations like this differently than I do.

Sometimes it makes sense, and I'm sure it's a gambit used by scum. But as a reason for casting a vote and calling someone scum? I'm not convinced. It just seems like a "If A is scum, B is his partner!" sort of thing with nothing backing it.

Why

Arafax doing the bus maneuver? Why not anyone else on the wagon? Where is your connection? I don't understand the logic, and I don't understand the vote.

Another post where you attack me, then don't vote me... and this time you're trying to get on a Kurtz wagon too, after scolding me for it? I sure hope that's sarcasm...

This is a complete misrepresentation. Trying to get on a Kurtz wagon? I was already on the Kurtz wagon. I found you quite questionable and wanted to hear more before I decided to unvote Kurtz and vote you. Also, what is your point about attacking you and not voting for you? Is it bad to question/attack players and hear what they and other players have to say before deciding to vote them?
By the way, the reason I asked Rosso his opinion was because he expressed an eagerness to lynch you. I wanted to hear his thoughts on Kurtz too.

Question about the claim. If we do try to lynch you, what happens? Is it like a no lynch?