NY 159: RUST game over

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VOTE: roflcopter

First.

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VOTE: Zabriel

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Rob13's post is....?

P-edit: Quicklynches do happen. Its not THAT infrequent.

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Zabriel wagon please and thanks. This rofl counterwagon is both scumlead and and a counterwagon.

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This thread asploded. I probably can't comment until I get home.

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First off: as usual the sine wave that is the number of active games I'm in has peaked and one in particular is sponging a lot of my time as its close to LYLO. Sorry for that. Catchup post from work: GO.

if zab had simply said "miller claim. bc=obvtown" i would have thought nothing of this post. but no, its "wow," its "already," and it "seems legit," which makes zab "seem way too excited" to either already know who he doesn't have to nightkill, or be pushing his buddies millerclaim through to the town list (still too early to tell which, but we will kill you before too long too and find out, don't worry)

Why wouldn't the scum team have to kill a miller? Why would a miller claim necessarily make them happy?

Ok, I think rofl is town right now based on 32-34. Im leaning town on bloodcovenant as well. I tend to like to let Miller claims live until it becomes obvious whether or not there is a cop around anyways. (Not saying a cop should claim right now >.>)

Ok, 44 makes BC very town. Not willing to vote rofl or BC right now.

Re 45: Cog dis because he said Zabriel could be the cop but that he has a null read on him?

Ya, I agree Rob's wall looks town.. I think..Rob have you played on another site? Specifically the gym? I cannot disagree more about Rob's conclusion that BC talking about the cop is scum-motivated, but I think Rob is still town for the analysis. Also the conclusion that Zabriel and BC are scum buddies: can we lynch Zabriel then? I still don't quite like a BC lynch. Rob is likely town. If hes scum, I'll know shortly. Guarantee that.

Post 49: You weren't sure if it was a legit claim, but you called him obvtown? Can we wagon Zabriel?

DemonCore is leaning scum. I think BC is town, but that read isn't too strong.

RE 57: Ya, Prohawk found the same thing I did earlier in this wall. Why does Zab call the claim obvtown and then null 39 posts later?

Ok, we aren't lynching BC today. Zabriel, sure. Rob is very likely town at this point.

A zabriel wagon, this pleases me!

67: FoS CKD.

73: BC, why are you so sure Zab is town??

74: Ok, CuriousKarmaDog is obvscum.

I just finished P3. Give me a sec, I'll get further. This thread got huge fast. wow.

Shortlist:

Zabriel
Curious Karma Dog
DemonCore

roflcopter
Prohawk
Rob
Blood Covenant

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You jumped on rofl for voting on Zab without even asking for his reasoning for doing so. You later stated that Zab could be a cop, a move town has literally no motivation to make.

Yes, but really neither alignment except (jester, but this is a normal) would really do that >.>

well my gut says vote BC...

My

gut

very precise scumdar says you and Zabriel are a team. Look at all the hurr-durr BC is so scummy nonsense you are throwing around, all whilst only token caring about Zabriel?

Cheery is sailing the clear waters towards scumville. But really.. his opening post is only slightly scummy.

when he flips scum, Zab your next.

My confirmation bias is tingling.

Rofl, not to appeal to my glorious glorious town Meta, but you should believe me when I say BC is town. He ain't scum. No way. Rob will flip scum first. Seriously.

97: oh CKD is so mad! Derp. CKD is actually the most likely to flip scum in thread right now.

Done with P4. Pretty much CKD should be the lynch today. Zabriel is still ok. They are probably on a team.

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Fine, then.

Let's say the mod gave you a day vig shot that you had to use right now. Who would you use it on and why?

(Fun fact: BC's vote is still on Tazaro)

Why you not invlved in game? Why you use such ez and generic 'scumhunting' techniques? Could you be anymore obvscum?

@BC: Rofl is kind of drifting into the null-town region of my reads. Shoot CKD

Darthe is town.

Did mal just CC BC's miller claim?

DemonCore is still scum.

2 miller claims. Right. Ok. I bet my lucky oldschool 5$ bill that they are both true. Takers?

VOTE: Demon Core

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EBWODP: Im caught up.

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I just remembered that bets are a no-no. Mine was a joke in case it wasn't obvious. But my point still stands: Probably both are true. If one isn't, its the 2nd one.

P-edit: yes. You are scum regardless of what Zab flips. But we should lynch obvscum Dcore today.

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BC is town.

Right now Dcore/CKD are the obvious team. CKD's "Am I scum regardless of the Zab flip" solidifies that connection although Zabriel hasn't done enough to warrant the lynch compared to these 2.

P-edit: BC isn't flipping scum and you are.

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Yes, I am dodging your scummy questions.

1. You are scum, so yes. BC will not be flipping scum. And this question tells me hes probably flipping town and you know it.

2. BC is not being 'dodgy'. Hes posting a lot. His posts are kinda derp, but genuine.

3. I think my BC is town, you are scum already answered your first question. And who knows what you mean by 'dodgy'? Is he dodging questions? No? Is he lurking? No? Do his posts sound 'off'? Kind of?

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Should be quotes around "BC is town, you are scum".

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Gosh you are a ball of noise. You should bus DemonCore.

If BC flips scum then that makes you less scummy. Lol, are you implicating that BC and I are a team? Because I sure did an excellent job of getting any towncred out of that scenario!

VOTE: Curious Karma Dog

NM, bus yourself.

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@Angry- Your 151 looks like an OMGUS vote. Please explain why it isn't.

Because I've been listing him as obvscum before the two of us interacted AT ALL?

You should read the thread. All the cool kids are doing it these days.

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Roflcopter: I take it then that you believe the 2nd miller claim and disbelieve BC's?

Fine! Lets lynch Zab. I guarantee you that BC flips town. Zab is still possible scum.

I didn't point this out before, but I think CKD said that the case on Zab is BS because it was based on him making a joke on P1. First off, it was clearly not a joke. 2nd, the case on Zab is mostly the fact that he backpedaled 39 posts later to call BC null.

I believe BC's claim because hes pretty obvtown. Also Rob summed up the miller claim pretty well at some point. The 2nd one seems unlikely scum for obvious reasons.

And don't give me that BS that Im scum because Im not presently sheeping you.

VOTE: Zabriel

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What? Made me commit to a hypothetical "If BC flips scum, what about U scenario"? Go you! Yes its super obvious you've been FoSing and desiring the lynch of BC. OBVIOUSLY it makes you more town should he flip scum. Why the hell does it matter so much to you that I commit to that opinion of you right now?

Who cares if you're always aggressive? So am I. Im saying your ringleading on the BC Bs is scummy as hell. You are frustrated? Im not. Stop appealing to WIFOM.

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>.>

First of all, OMGUS is not a scum tell. 2nd of all, you admit that I had CKD on my scumlist before we interacted AT ALL.

As to the first part, I was catching up..I read the quoted DCore quote between making those posts. Derp.

P-edit: How am I buying town points? You state that one of the miller claims is prob-scum (BC notably) and imply Im going for town points by hurr-durring and defending him super hard in the face of a CC? Right. Of COURSE. It makes so much sense! Im drowning in towncred.

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What do you mean by "this is awesome".

Yes CKD, going against popular opinion to wind up mysteriously correct isn't going to look suspicious at all. Derp.

P-edit: Dcore, what are you getting at?

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I guess I still don't understand DCs original post, so I still dont get your response.

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Hi drmy.

Im debating whether I should take a page out of rofl's book and stubbornly insist on either karmadog or demoncore and FoS that hell out of everyone not voting them.

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that

the

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Lewl. And here I was doubting my vote.

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Drmy, you told BC that him not trying to get the other miler claim lynched is a towntell. How is my trying not to get the miller claims lynched a scum-tell? Comments on ANYTHING other than miller claims? And no, we aren't Pling PM just cuz.

Rob pretty much has the exact same reads as me >.>, although I dont quite remember what he said about rofl. I think rofl is null-town

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I hadn't even looked at ckd/demoncore before you said they were playing scummy, but I went back and looked at their ISO. DemonCore is not town at all. There's no way. By the way they've played, DemonCore being scum suggests to me that ckd is scum. Plus ckd keeps posting stupid shit.

Mal, your last post sits very, very badly with me.

Holy shit, you have my exact thoughts. This is getting weird. That last Mal post was super awkward. I might be willing to help drmy out on his Lynch all Millers quest. But then I always ask myself when I run into quotes like that "Wouldn't scum be more careful with wording than this?"

So if I somehow flip, then BC will be confirmed town miller.

What, why? If you flip town, why would that make BC clear?

I should truly clarify here, it seems that most individuals here agree that the millers should not make it through this game. Risk management yada yada. Either they explicitly state it or implicitly do so through a vote. So if you don't intend to allow something to happen then seem to be leaving it to happen... why? Disparity in actions = non-town play. That isn't a change of mind, it is contrary action to spoken intent. Hence, place your vote where your mouth is. How did that warrant a vote btw?

And now Darthe is scumming up the thread like a boss. Suddenly people discussing the miller situation is anti-town because they have better votes? How did that warrant a vote?

Balloon guy is probably town.

I'dlynch from Demon Core, CKD, Darthe and to a lesser extent malp or Zabriel. That being said:

VOTE: Demon Core

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After thought double post: I think Tintin is town. I understand his PM/Miller campaign, I just don't agree with it.

Speaking of PM and like 1/3 the player list, holy inactivity batman!

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^ that is pretty much how rofl operates.

PeregrineV's Miller analysis can be summarized as follows:

Malp could be a town miller or scum gambiting.
BC's reaction to it may or may not be scummy.
Multiple millers may or may not exist in one game.
Miller claims are hard to figure out!
Conclusion: Null!

Anyways, I think PV is town. But his posts are more waffly than the delicious belgian waffles that come out of my waffle maker.

Pedit: Hi rofl. Thought on CKD/Dcore. I'd compromise on Zab potentially, but CKD/Dcore are super obvscum.

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Im willingto compromise on Mal right now because of this line:

"So if I somehow flip, then BC will be confirmed town miller."

Stil prefer to lynch someone that has posted more.

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This pretty much sums up how I feel about drmy this game:

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Hey, taking a page out of rofl's playbook is my play not yours!

But seriously, are you scum?

Guarantee you I am. Now ISO CKD/Dcore together and tell me that isn't the obvious team.

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Derp, well that was guarantee you I am [town]. Weee, incoming Freudian slip cases.

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Well, this is lolz. Sad part is I pretty much die today and no one gets any info off the flip

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Ok, drmy is scum. For serious.

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Ftr, anyone voting me because of that "slip" is in for lolz when I flip town and needs to think long and hard about whether Id be so careless as scum.

And drmy proves my point regarding info.

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Appeal to meta: remember when Arugula claimed 2shot SK and flipped Vig. Yup.

Pedit: ya you are scum. I know now.

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Lol@ both of you. Youd flail if you just realized you said something to take you from zero to lynch in one sentence.

Is this how I usually play, LOL. How about you give a hard opinion on the supposed slip.

Drmy: Im voting your teammate so I D C

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Lol. I can't wait to see the hurr-durr end game.

Anyways, Darthe's response is actually scummier.

P-edit: CKD is so scummy >.>

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VOTE: Darthe

Fine, is this useless? For real, I'm parking my vote here for the rest of the day. I just want everyone to actually read the following transaction and tell me he isn't scum:

But seriously, are you scum?

Guarantee you I am.

Did you just admit to being scum?

If you are town you are flailing an awful lot all of a sudden. I have no meta on you so I will ask others.. Is this how pissedoffbird usually plays?

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You should vote Darthe. His reaction to my post was basically "Oh boy Im so excited! But I don't want to jump on him right away, lets let drmy sponge any heat for starting the wagon"

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OFC BC is town. His posts are super transparent.

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Wow, I don't give a single fuck about miller claims. Don't investigate them. Treat them like anyone else. The fact that there are 2 is odd, but wifom so who cares. Being a miller does not clear someone. Nor does it make them such a liability that they must die. I won't vote BC because hes probably town. Malp is very much less town. Also go us, spamming the thread so hard.

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I don't see where I really sat on the fence. Those posts you are quoting fall under this category:

He has changed his vote 6 times, while making numerous threats outside of his votes. Overall, super aggressive play-style which seems consistent with how he normally plays from what I have seen. Aggression/Assertion

This is the 2nd time someone has mentioned my sudden switch to Dcore after saying CKD should die. First of all, they are both scum. Second of all, you will notice that I was catching up and JUST CAME TO THAT DCORE POST THAT I QUOTED IN THE POST THAT I VOTED HIM. That quote is what made me vote him.

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This needs like way more votes

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^ Yes please.

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You think he is scum with Malp for defending Malp's miller claim? And by defending I mean I dunno. They are barely making sense to me.

Tazaro's point seems to be that Scum would not CC a town miller in this situation, but would potentially CC a scum buddy. So a scum flip from Malp means that BC is scum?

Actually it does kind of sound like he is saying that BC is scum regardless of what Malp flips and is then pushing Malp.

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Cool, we should vote DemonCore, CKD or Darthe then.

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Hi Rob, lemme ISO aforementioned peeps.

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I can actually almost see Prohawk scum after a glance of his ISO. Still working slowly. Playing dominion. Lol. gimme an hour

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It is not a policy lynch. Malpascp is legitimately scummy. Kill it with fire.

Agree, I think.

Let me finish ISOs?

Top of my head I'd like to lynch Darthe, DemonCore, CKD, Malp, Zabriel. In roughly that order. Prohawk I need to reread. I do think I'll be able to read him more accurately than I do almost all other peeps.

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Did you forget about me or something here. I thought I was like Conf-Scum to you? No more?

Naw you're town. No way scum tunnels me after le slip.

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Darthe's reaction to it is obvscum though.

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I do think I'll be able to read [Prohawk] more accurately than I do almost all other peeps.

Why do you say this?

Dunno, I know him from another site. Modded a game he was in. His town play is pretty transparent to me. Thats why an initial skim of his ISO just seemed off: just wasn't quite seeing Prohawk Im used to.

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What happened was Darthe's response being super duper obvscum. Feel free to start bussing him anytime. Yes Im aware Im lurking and not doing the damn ISOs I promised.

Dominion is addicting as hell.

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My reaction to Malpa? Where? Oh NM, where I said they are both likely town.

But ya, Malpa's super WIFOM since then is scummy as hell.

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What changed your mind shotgun?

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Cheery, I want you to take a step back and seriously ask yourself "Would drmyshotgun openly admit to wanting lots of people dead if he were scum?" Think about it. Acknowledge your completion of this task by voting for someone that isn't town.

This Drmyshotgun VS CheeryDog argument ends now
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UNVOTE: Obvscum
VOTE: Demoncore

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also WIFOM.

Exactly, you are voting Drmyshotgun for reasons you now admit are WIFOM.

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Darth needs to die

Vote him though I may try

The lack of wagon I cannot deny

Sigh

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Ro13 has to be town just because there is a 0% chance scum flat out mirrors my scum reads list. Mostly saying this to reassure myself.

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demoncore is obviously stalling waiting for gullible town (

prohawk

BC) and his scumpartners (

bloodcovenant

Prohawk) to get off his wagon and take the steam out of it. good thing we're not going to let that happen.

FTFY

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Completely agree, don't counterclaim until later in the game. That way in the off chance he is telling the truth about being cop, we don't mis-lynch him and scum would be forced to kill him.

I would like to point out that you are far too certain about this. No suspicions about the claim whatsoever? Prohawk is a very legitimate lynch if not DC. Prohawk is not at all playing to his town self. (#IusuallyDontDoMetaCases)

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Prohawk is normally all about cases and walls and logic and scumhunting. His response to DC screams that he is either defending a bud or going for possible cred on the off chance of DC town.

Prohawk's reaction does not at all gel with this:

I see a Miller claims. Detestable. Never seen Miller claim turning out to actually be a Miller. See Spartacus Mafia and Disney Villains Mafia to see where I'm coming from.
If possible, I'd like to lynch both Millers. Believe it or not I saw a two men scumteam plotting to claim millers at the same time, get one lynched and have one live until the lylo in cruising time.

Do you suggest that we policy lynch the Miller claims without trying to see if they are scum or not? I don't really agree with the logic that we should lynch them because one scum-team plotted to both claim miller, especially when the team decided not to try it. As Rob put it, there are motivations for both scum and town to claim miller early on. There are other ways to catch scum without the cop.

drmyshotgun is so fucking obviously town that i want you dead just for trying to lynch him, and on top of that you have done a MOUNTAIN of scummy shit this game AND YOU'RE A CLAIMED AND THEN FUCKING COUNTERCLAIMED MILLER so yes i will tunnel vision your ass into a fine red mist

Rofl, I will nominate you for funniest player.

So basically Im still down to go balls to the wall and lynch DC: his claim sounded fake. Prohawk is scum regardless of his flip. Darthe is still scum.

If we have a vig, vig Darthe. He and Prohawk are my best reads right now. If we can get these two vig'd/lynched, I'll happily compromise on Malp.

But Im talking about the future. At present we should lynch DC. And if not, then Prohawk.

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FWIW, I'm VERY certain Prohawk is scum. He's so obv-town when hes town.

No reason to call his bluff Day 1. Back to the other scum.

Oh, just kidding of course. THIS IS A SLIP. PROHAWK AND DC ARE SCUM TOGETHER. EVERYONE GET BACK ON THE WAGON



PROHAWK IS SCUM. NEEDS TO DIE. INDEPENDENT OF DCORE, BUT THE ABOVE QUOTE MEANS THEY ARE PROBABLY SCUM TOGETHER.

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The only lynch I wil accept today that isn't DCore is Prohawk. HIS POST SAYS THAT DCORE IS SCUM BUT THAT WE SHULDN'T CALL HIS BLUFF YET. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING TOWN PROHAWK WOULD EVER SAY. I DONT CARE.

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Was that actually the hammer? Please god say yes?

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PeregrineV's vote is terribad. Zabiel's vote is terribad. BloodCovenent's vote is terribad. Darthe/Prohawk are scumming up the Zabriel wagon. We need replacements on scooby, Pmyst. Josh is not voting for some reason. Malp can be vig'd, fine lets go with that. holy cow, I wish I were a dayvig or governor is every game I play. PH is flipping scum. He CALLED DC OBVSCUM AND MADE A COMMENT ABOUT NOT CALLING HIS BLUFF YET. TOWN WOULD NOT DO THAT.

I'm tired. Why can't I get to sleep before like 130am? I sit in bed and read a book and think about how absurdl warm it is considering its October and hate on everyone from outside of califonia that says "Oh you are from Cali, the weather must be great there!" Nope. I would move to seattle in a heartbeat please and thanks. not one fuck given about clouds and cold weather if I can just not have it be over 65 degrees ever.

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Prohawk, why are you ignoring my push on you? Drmyshotgun is usually like this. Monkey V Drmy from 1347 >.>

P-edit: Scum scum scum scum. Scum, scum, scum scum

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Perhaps people will lynch me tonight for this. Or maybe the mafia will kill me tonight to create WIFOM (would be a dumb mafia). Personally I found it hillarious that angrypidgeon was able to fuss enough that people didn't vote him and believed him calling me scummy and then Dcore comes back and says something that is most likely not a scum slip and his train built for it. I bet money he is town and when he flips it we all can analyze the train for easy votes. L-1 is weak shit where I come from and basically is day over anyhow. What is the point in waiting on it or adding stupid reasons?


Also, since I have never had night here I have to ask: Do you guys continue playing and casing at night? Because we always have.

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Then why isnt rofl scum?

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Im saying that he is pushing the Dcore case harder than anyone else right now yet you think Rob is scum for pushing it.

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Prohawk, were you counterbussing Zab? Don't lie.

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Anywho, {Rob/Drmyshotgun/Rofl} should all give me their top 3 picks.

I think my top 2 are
Darthe
CKD

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Actually I mostly want CKD. His interactions with Demon Core / Zabriel are pure lolz.

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The zabriel scum flip makes me think you could be town. I figure I have slightly too many scum reads out of

Demon Core / Zabriel / CKD / Malpascp / ProHawk / darthe. I figured it was likely Zab = town when you swapped over to him. Not to say his scum flip conf-towns you, but it gives you some cred.

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Is zabriel DC's partner?

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Eh, if the vig is 1 or 2 shot then I dont see a reason why not to claim it.

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Basically, if there is a town roleblocker or Jailkeeper and they targeted someone scummy last night, then they need to claim in their next post.

If there is a X-shot vig, they should claim. Reasons for this:
1. So I can be at peace about it being a possible SK (unlikely that is is, but still would be nice to have someone claim vig)
2. Unlikely (although possible) that an RB exists given the Doc flip.

Hi Pyro. Drmyshotgun is so obvtown >.>
But other than that I mostly agree.

Prohawk votes could still be a wonderful thing.

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i wish that rob had not just claimed but feh too late now

if another 1-shot vig exists and they shot zab they should claim asap, otherwise we assume there's an sk who was planning a vig claim (until it just got asploded)

angrypidgeon needs to stop drawing out claims bc you do this shit all the time and its antitown

You are so dumb. you assert that an RB should claim. I assert that an RB should claim. you assert that a vig should claim. I assert that a vig should claim.

You call me anti-town for drawing claims. The actual fuck are you smoking this afternoon rofl?

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WELL WHO DID HE TARGET WAIT LET ME GUESS DO NOT TELL ME YET

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Oh watcher not tracker.

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Predictions:
Scum: Prohawk, CKD, Malp

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How about we vote prohawk? And get Taz to post a followup.

Malp is also acceptable.

I don't think its BC.

I will point out in DemonCore's ISO that he really pushed Zabriel, but used the millers as an excuse to NOT do that.

P-edit: Did the person target anyone at all?

P-pedit: Apparently so. I claim Village Idiot

3xedit: I don't see Zab connecting himself to BC so early on unless hes really dumb.

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FWIW: CKD is still scum. That JoaT claim isnt going to save him from my pidgeoness.

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I mean. I don't think its a great idea? But Rob already claimed. And CKD claimed. And Tazaro claimed. and Tazaro knows two people that targeted Zab. sooo >.>

P-edit: Scum have a JoaT

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Ok, then see my point about DemonCore wanting to go for Zab but using the millers as an excuse to not do it:

Drop one meme reference and the board explodes.

O...M...G...

the only thing that's saving you today is the miller counterclaim

you're dead tomorrow

P-edit: I think CKD is implying they didnt target anyone.

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nope

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VOTE: Curious Karma Dog
I just know.

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His back and forth with demon core.

His reluctant vote for him despite wanting to lynch Scummy Pidgey.

His super herpaderp claim just because all the cool kids were.

Setup probably gave a JoaT to scum team.

Fact that he hinted at a softclaim D1 to come after me with.

Can we kill this idiot?

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No Taz, do your shit. Veto this CKD claim. I am captain obvtown, my authority is good around these parts.

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If we're going to nominate a Captain ObvTown, then it's definitely me.

I was joking. But, yes.

I don't see how CKD would show up on the Zab list. And if he did, then hes claiming to have tracked him which means we can verify this claim by lynching the shit out of whoever Zab was tracked to.

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Oh. I kind of see where the 1x claim idea is coming from. But with all the 1x claims, either everyone in the game is a JoaT or Zab was SK'd

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I am not a JoaT.

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Hello everyone, this seems to have been a good night. I am glad to have my suspicions of Zab confirmed and have to agree that an SK seems more likely than a Vig to me at this point. For now,

vote BC

in the interest of competing trains.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Darthe

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Hello everyone, this seems to have been a good night. I am glad to have my suspicions of Zab confirmed and have to agree that an SK seems more likely than a Vig to me at this point. For now,

vote BC

in the interest of competing trains.

Here is why this is scummy:

First of all, Darthe is clearly new. And this post has 2 awesome scumtells in it that new players tend to commit.

1. Talking about how well the night went.
2. Assuming that Zabriel died to an SK and not vig. I mean come on you had Zabriel as a suspect and so did several people, so why is a vig unlikely??

Also, that Blood Covenent vote's justification is "competing trains". What. We are like a few hours into D2, why place such a forced vote.

[AngryPidgeon]

Anywho, {Rob/Drmyshotgun/Rofl} should all give me their top 3 picks.

I think my top 2 are
Darthe
CKD

Darthe, yes.
BC and Malpascp - Combo set.

Paid Pyro is having a bad start.

No doubt. You think with a college education I could read

and comprehend.

Apparently not. Gaaahhh I'm an idoit, I saw doc and moved on, Moron. Must reconsider a few things.

Oh by the way I replaced PMysterious.

Haw Haw Haw. Like predecessor, like replacement.

Assertion that PM read the game: false.

[AngryPidgeon]

New scum players like to accuse people of being SKs instead of scum. I'm kind of stretching it a little to fit this, but seriously:

How is he so sure its not a Vig when several people suspected Zabriel? It was a 100% legit vig shot.

[AngryPidgeon]

(zab all day and then DC with the hammer for information)

This is also scummy. Hammering for information? What information? It looks like hes going for reverse-cred.

[AngryPidgeon]

That ^. DC wanted BC more than Malp.

[AngryPidgeon]

Watch your trains kid, nothing like good old vote analysis. And with two scum revealed I just bet I can find a few more in the patterns.

I hope youre ready to make a "holy shit AP busses the shit out his buddies" case on me.

Ya, you go do that.

[AngryPidgeon]

i don't like the darthe wagon and will be really disappointed if we haven't solved the miller problem by the end of today

There is no miller problem. Darthe is scum. The 4th scum is either CKD or malp probably.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh, I do not think the slowness (or speed) of the game has anything to do with Angry being mafia, those were unrelated. Also, gotta agree with you about the miller thing rofl.

Ok come on. Demon Core kept pushing the dichotomy and now scumm-as-hell darthe is.

/rocketscience

[AngryPidgeon]

Urgh, well I'd much rather lynch Malp than BC.

[AngryPidgeon]

Watch your trains kid, nothing like good old vote analysis. And with two scum revealed I just bet I can find a few more in the patterns.

I hope youre ready to make a "holy shit AP busses the shit out his buddies" case on me.

Ya, you go do that.

You realize you would have to do the same on me right? I was on Zab all day and in the end switched to DC...

Fortunately my case on you does not have to do with voting or wagon analysis.

[AngryPidgeon]

1. See your 2nd ?
2. yes.
#. Because He has posted nothing but wifomy bullshit all game?

[AngryPidgeon]

Scum team is CKD/Darthe. Ya'll miller fanatics will be lolin' trollin' poast eggs game.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ignore my attempts at humor in that last post, but seriously

[AngryPidgeon]

I think what you want is a world with out Millers who are Salamence : P

[AngryPidgeon]

^ lol.

Aren't some(most?) SKs either BP or investigation immune?

I wouldn't be too disappoint if BC got shot over Malp. It looks pretty inevitable.

[AngryPidgeon]

So one of these 2 is lying. And Rob has a confirmed town on Taz...

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE:

Well, agreed that Darthe is more obviously town after that.

That must mean we're back to my original suspicions: Malpa, CKD, Prohawk

Shameless counterwagon to the BC wagon (Fun fact last time I said that, the main wagon was on scum and I was wagoning town)

Actually I really can't think of anyone I want the most.

VOTE: Malpascp

since we are deadset on killing millers today.

[AngryPidgeon]

I played with Taz before and he didn't play nothing like this. Almost everything he says is just tasteless and useless.
rofl is clearly town.
Gonna ISO DemonCore and some other people.

I would hesitate to vote Malp because this is actually true and candid about me.

He needs to die for using a double negative.

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually no. Darthe is still scum. I don't care. Why did he not immediately vote Tazaro and accuse him of lying. BAH. If Darthe makes it any significant distance in this game as scum Im going to pissed at Taz.

[AngryPidgeon]

Hi CKD, you should full claim in your next post.

Malp, who is scum?

[AngryPidgeon]

This fake claim is both fake and taking too long.

[AngryPidgeon]

Without much conviction though. I doubt Darthe would flip anything other than Mafia goon at this point, but :/

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok then, Taz is actually definitively confirmed town? 100%? No godfathers and other shit? Even considering that this game has fucking millers? hum sounds about right

He claimed 2xVigiliante shot on Zabriel you fail box. Without a CC hes probably town or a retarded SK that will be caught in no time.

[AngryPidgeon]

The above just proves even more that Darthe is scum.

Spoiler: Im watching you Darthe

Reverend is obv town.
CKD is still lurking because hes so absolutely ecstatic about BC getting lynched instead of him / his buddy.

@Reverend I think I see your point about that one post of mine, but if you look at the rest of my ISO you'll see I've been trying to get these

idiots

nice people to vote based on scumminess and not the fact that there are 2 millers. I guess people find BC generally scummy even if I don't. I will say rofl has a slight point about his early interactions with Zab, but I just don't see scum CKD and Demoncore bussing Zabriel lightly just to focus on the millers. That was mostly Dcore, CKD decided to focus on me (lol).

[AngryPidgeon]

given that fucking information who the fuck would you have tracked? you said "alleged" and you also say i could be a scum Joat...which is it, am I PR scum or a lying scum? if you think i am lying how come you have not followed up with prohawk to see if I am lying...seems like that would be an important thing to do, right? why didnt you?

Are you scum hunting someone you acknowledge is obv town? Notice that later on you say you were suspicious of their claims but they apparently checked out. So why are you

scumhunting

smearing Tazaro?

AND I wanted to see if YOU were lying (sure blah blah blah this could be WIFOM)

Yes, but you didn;t have to outright claim. Derp. Just get him to claim his shit and THEN see if it adds up. Holy cow.

as it stands you lied and outed me and shrank the town targets for scum.

Lol, you outed yourself. See above.

Yet another anti town move…

Irony

Oh right you are scum, so outing yourself IS a protown move.

so if all information is correct and there really is a

sk

out there, I am probably dead

What. You aren't at risk of being killed by

your

the scum team, only an SK? And why would you be killed over, IDK, fucking obviously town: roflcopter, Rob, Tazaro.

Spoiler:

@ Darthe, if you thought taz was lying, why didn’t you vote him?

This pleases me.

"since we are deadset on killing millers today, I want to try to look like I am down with the plan, by voting someone who is obviously not going to be lynched today"

You do realize that if BC is lynched, rob is vigging Malp on a town flip right? So we are going to know their alignments by the end of Tonight. Ya.

right right, there hasnt been any other vig CC...wait a minute…fail box indeed.

Yes, he claimed to VIG SHOT ZABRIEL. NO ONE ELSE CLAIMED TO SHOOT ZABRIEL. DERP.

at least two people(malp and humourously enough AP) questioned your intentions as two why you didnt vote taz if you thought he was lying.

Stop connecting me to Darthe.

[AngryPidgeon]

Waffle, waffle, psychology major.

Its CKD/Darthe.

[AngryPidgeon]

Did you just accuse me of reaction testing you?

No, I'm not voting you. Because your lynch has no support today.

[AngryPidgeon]

Cheery is super obvtown.

What do you think about CKD's last wall?

[AngryPidgeon]

too

Thuis makes you scum while were discussing sentence structuring.

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually I misread that, disregard.

[AngryPidgeon]

See thats WIFOM though. If I role scum, I do my best to mimic my town meta. Which is why meta cases are shit in the first place.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also this.

Lynched!

AngryPidgeon

(1) - zabriel

zabriel

(1) - ProHawk

Rob13

(1) - PeregrineV

DemonCore (9)

-

Rob13, AngryPidgeon

,

Cheery Dog

,

roflcopter

,

drmyshotgun

,

Tazaro,

curiouskarmadog, Josh Lyman, Darthe

drmyshotgun

(1) - BloodCovenant

Not Voting

(4) - malpascp, Paid Pyro, The Reverend, DemonCore

The Reverend replaces scooby!

mod scene and flip won't be up until tommorow.

[AngryPidgeon]

If anyone is VT, claim. If no-one makes that claim, we should consider Darthe pretty much definitely town.

Not sure if trolling.

[AngryPidgeon]

If anyone is VT, claim. If no-one makes that claim, we should consider Darthe pretty much definitely town.

Not sure if trolling.

Look at his reaction against Taz. Taz gave him the easiest out possible if he was lying. He restated it many times. Darthe stuck to his guns and was adamant that Taz was lying, despite Taz being confirmed town. That is not the action of a member of the scum team. Scum would claim vig, especially when given multiple opportunities to do it. The fact that there has to be one VT in the game and no one else has claimed VT makes it extremely likely that Darthe is telling the truth.

Wrong, scum Darthe still happens to know that Tazaro is lying and tells him repeatedly that he is lying.

[AngryPidgeon]

What is so difficult to understand. If you are a VT, then you didn't target anyone and you know that Taz is lying.

If you are a mafia goon, then you didn;t target anyone (at least not Zabriel) and you know that taz is lying. rob's point is BS because it equally applies for both scenarios.

[AngryPidgeon]

I believe Rob was trying to see if there was only the one VT in this game.

This would be a bad idea and practically mean we'd all have to massclaim, which I stated earlier, shouldn't happen today.

Ptobability of there being only one VT: 0.00% Accurate to 10 decimal placed.

[AngryPidgeon]

^, ya that. Rob has restored a little bit of my faith in wall posts / cases.

@PH: : D

Lets see..Ph is town. Rofl is still town...Rob is still obvtown.. Yep. Scum team is still CKD/Darthe

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya, Josh would not at all be a bad vig shot.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think PV is town fwiw.

[AngryPidgeon]

Darthe, your case on Cheery is that he is aggreeable right? And that CKD is town for being too aggressive?

[AngryPidgeon]

It

was

50 inches, if anyone's curious.

Well, what is it now

Party at Drmy's house.

[AngryPidgeon]

You so racist :S

Thats ok though, I don't think anyone is more self-racist than my indian roommate.

[AngryPidgeon]

Must...hold...onto...Cheery...townread...oh god...its getting away!

[AngryPidgeon]

But seriously, you are town.

[AngryPidgeon]

special case / could be scum with blood - angrypidgeon

My mom always told me I was special!

Intent to hammer yadda yadda.

Is Rob Vigging Miller 2 if the first one flips scum?

Tazaro should vig from CKD/Josh/Darthe Imo.

[AngryPidgeon]

Woooo, no whammies, no whammies.

[AngryPidgeon]

BC, you scum?

[AngryPidgeon]

Idiots. Told you all. He was so town. Vig Malp / CKD.

[AngryPidgeon]

Vig CKD,

What?

[AngryPidgeon]

I have a mod-confirmed guilty on roflcopter

VOTE: roflcopter
I will not say anything else about my role.

[AngryPidgeon]

no need to wait for a claim this time

someone hammer, i've seen all i need to

the "in case i'm dead tomorrow" list
definitely town / should never be lynched (no particular order) - rob, shotgun, tazaro, reverend, darthe
almost definitely town / only lynch if people further down this list are all dead (no particular order) - prohawk, cheery dog, ckd
special case / could be scum with blood - angrypidgeon
questionable content / lynch from this group next (in order from most to least likely scum imo) - josh, pyro, peregrine
the amazing "miller" duo / dead by sunrise - blood, malp

FWIW, this is the post that tipped me off.

[AngryPidgeon]

Tazaro, that crazy bastard. He drew the NK as essentially a VT. RIP

Now, moving on, I have a third ability that I previously didn't disclose. This is why I asked for a doc-protect last night. My third 1-shot ability is Gunsmith. Would you care to explain my result mal?

Also, do millers trigger GS?

[AngryPidgeon]

Lol.

[AngryPidgeon]

Not answering questions from conf-scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nope. Feel free to enlighten me.

[AngryPidgeon]

rob, did you really GS Malp? And can we get some form of confirmation that GS doesnt pos on millers?

[AngryPidgeon]

Feel free to explain your lack of NK theory.

[AngryPidgeon]

And If Im lying, you are being awfully defensive about your game play as opposed to, IDK, calling me a liar.

[AngryPidgeon]

And If Im lying, you are being awfully defensive about your game play as opposed to, IDK, calling me a liar.

will you walk yourself to the gallows tomorrow when i flip town? i already asked this and you went with the 'lol not talking to confirmed scum' route

Why are you asking me and not asserting that I must die Tomorrow?

[AngryPidgeon]

And you still have a vigshot left Rob?

[AngryPidgeon]

Well rofl, I'm amused because I know you know that my play does not make sense as scum right now, yet you are voting me and saying I must die Tomorrow.

[AngryPidgeon]

[AngryPidgeon]

Assertion that I am scum: false

[AngryPidgeon]

Roflcopter - Mafia Jack of all Trades. Lynched Day 3

[AngryPidgeon]

IDK, I kinda had an epiphany. Something seemed off. I saw the BC flip and thought "Well what was I expecting". Went back and saw that post. The line about me being a scumteam with blood caught my eye. I stared at it for a second. And yo know how sometimes you subconsciously pick up on a bunch of small things that are off, but don't really put it all together? But then, wham, some stimulus happens and it all snaps into your head at once? That is pretty much what happened.

Your Dcore bus was pretty giveaway.

[AngryPidgeon]

And I'm very confused about why a JoaT would have 1xBP as an ability. That is passive. Commute would make more sense. But do large normals have to pass a review committee?

[AngryPidgeon]

why did you think me suggesting you could be scum if someone who ended up flipping town was scum meant i was scum? it doesn't accomplish much, from a scum perspective, to list your scum potential as based solely on the flip of someone that i, as scum, would know is going to flip town.

It wasn't that it had scum motivation. It was that it made no sense from a town perspective. (I like to think of as proof by contradiction. I mean if it does have scum motivation behind it then you could still be scum or town). If it doesn't make sense as town, then it comes from scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

It could be the amount of coffee Im chugging, but my heart is racing over here.

There was so much pressure to kill all the millers either via lynch or vig-shot, that he was going to flip by end of N2 at the latest. Why on earth would I defend a scum buddy when its painfully obvious he is dying no later than N2?

[AngryPidgeon]

@Rob why are you not pushing for a malp lynch since you know more than anything else right now that he is guilty?

[AngryPidgeon]

It could be the amount of coffee Im chugging, but my heart is racing over here.

There was so much pressure to kill all the millers either via lynch or vig-shot, that he was going to flip by end of N2 at the latest. Why on earth would I defend a scum buddy when its painfully obvious he is dying no later than N2?

why on earth would i try to tie you to someone who is going to die no later than n2 and flip

town

????

Its not exactly a super rare scum tactic.
1. You are no longer accountable for that read after the flip
2. It looks like scum hunting
3. It makes you look less all-knowing

[AngryPidgeon]

Haha, hiraki did it in space mafia and it was one of the reasons I JK'd her.

[AngryPidgeon]

EBWODP: Meant busdriver.

Bus driver? there are none in normals

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh right I see. But ya, I do not have the balls to play scum this gambity. /self wifom

Anyways, I'm going to lunch. BBL

[AngryPidgeon]

[AngryPidgeon]

ITT: PRs. Hi Malp, why do you have a gun?

[AngryPidgeon]

Why am I doubting that malp is actually scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

And why are you propositioning that we kill Malp over me?

[AngryPidgeon]

No, I'm worried that you don't submit a night action or that malp is acutally town.

[AngryPidgeon]

Because if you were town you would
1. Accuse me of reaction testing
2. Point #1
3. Be way more adamant about me being the lynch. You are lightly prodding me as if to see whether or not I'm all in instead of forcing the issue. Like its pretty obvious you don't think Im scum.

VOTE: Malp

[AngryPidgeon]

Rob did you ask the mod at all about how your GS interacts with milllers at any point?

[AngryPidgeon]

I never claimed cop. I guess my wording was poor. I'm just saying I have very good role related info that indicates you are scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

We should decide whether or not its mass claim time.

[AngryPidgeon]

This thread needs way more Rob and Malp in it.

P-edit: Whats your point PV?

P-P-edit: I got nothing.

[AngryPidgeon]

As much as that is all peaches and shit, what if Malp flips town?

P-edit: Hes saying he has some form of RB to block me with.

[AngryPidgeon]

Malp is lurking like a baus. CKD was earlier too.

[AngryPidgeon]

ITT Roflcopter claims a super obvious scum role and we all lynch Malp.

[AngryPidgeon]

Was your BP passive or active?

[AngryPidgeon]

I highly doubt the mod will answer that question. IF anything, he would do it in a PM to rob maybe.

[AngryPidgeon]

Rofl, what specifically does your role title say?

Rob, you have a vig shot, right?

CKD, take a stance on something.

[AngryPidgeon]

This is probably my fav game I've ever played in ^^

[AngryPidgeon]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Well. The 'normal' page for GS kind of implies that a miller would not have a gun, but it also is more open ended than conclusive. It would be nice if Rob would ask the mod and possibly get a response.

Hm, ok CKD is town.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think.

[AngryPidgeon]

Meh. Fine

Spoiler:

http://cdn.head-fi.org/b/b9/b930ce9d_1c ... lface.jpeg

VT. I still advocate a rofl lynch though.

[AngryPidgeon]

Fail image tags.

[AngryPidgeon]

>.>

[AngryPidgeon]

lol. Rofl is scum. Sigh.

[AngryPidgeon]

CKD, you ass. You cost us a scum lynch today. I was fucking beasting it

[AngryPidgeon]

You are scum. I don't need any PR to know that. I just know.

[AngryPidgeon]

Maybe? I will admit the BP claim is the only thing making me think you may not be.

[AngryPidgeon]

At least one of rofl/CKD is scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

Lol. What happened to you suggesting mass claim today, Rofl? Now that you know my role you know I can die w/o incriminating you.

[AngryPidgeon]

Because why the fuck not. If he RB'd me last night he knows Im lying.

[AngryPidgeon]

Uh huh. One of those claims isn't real.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya its Rofl. CKD is just a retard.

[AngryPidgeon]

^ this.

We are all claiming now. Everyone's pretty much out as it is.

[AngryPidgeon]

rob, here's the hole in your gambit

Lol. So you are ok with Rob gambiting. Fucking cognitive dissonance EVERYWHERE.