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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:55 am

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Mert’s stream of consciousness wrote:Post 25 – Arafax saying he’s suspicious of Elias for “being a noob and jumping on the wagon” after Elias voted for OMG and his “zomg kill Mert” post. OMG looking like he’s desperate for a super quick lynch is more suspicious than Elias voting for him as a result?

Post 43 – Twomz’ post saying “something… doesn’t feel right about the mert and omg wagons”. States that he knows there was a good reason for unvoting on the OMG wagon but still votes for me.

Post 45 – When asked for reasoning behind the vote, Twomz initially jokes saying that sporadic actions help him find scum. He then admits that the unvote was for a good reason but then can’t give concrete reasoning for it other than it “just feels wrong”.

Post 47 – Arafax’s fuzzy, unexplained logic – “kind of get a feel for who is hopping on the wagon and who is really wanting to lynch someone… call it a hunch”.

Post 48 – Elias wrongly attributes “avatar that scares me” post to OMG and keeps his vote on him.

Post 50 – Arafax’s suspicion of Pink Princess for having the flu.

Post 52 – OMG’s first assertion that he thought it was a timed game, explaining his bloodthirsty “zomg kill mert” post. Changes vote to Elias saying that he’s buddying up to me. Says I’m likely not scum due to my “willingness to get replaced”.

Post 54 – OMG saying I can’t be mafia because I wouldn’t draw attention to myself by saying I’ll have limited access if I was.

Post 55 – Arafax saying he agrees with the statement in Post 54 and notes Elias’ defense of PP.

Post 67 – Arafax dodging the issue posed to him by me. I said he looked like he was trying too hard and he stalled by asking me to clarify what this meant.

Post 68 – Elias votes Kurtz for lurking after saying in Post 57 that he’s been “steady on his decisions”.

Post 70 – Interesting. PP had just come back in Post 69 and says she agrees with others that his post looked like he was accusing her of lying about being sick. The next post on is her then putting on his “first serious vote” for her not posting much content.

Post 79 – Twomz saying he moves his vote around a lot to catch scum that follow his vote and then says it wasn’t random it was on “gut feeling”, again giving no real evidence.

Post 86 – Lowell suspicious of lurkers while accepting that he is a lurker?

Post 96 – OMG over defending and using the “timed game” excuse again.

Post 98 – Bloojay calls OMG on saying I have a scary avatar, again mis-attributing that comment. This had been cleared up by OMG a few posts earlier and by others along the way, including Lowell. Asks for a claim on the back of this mis-representation of the facts.

Post 104 – Bloojay once again attacks OMG on the “scary avatar” issue, despite it being clarified again that it was Lowell who made that comment.

Post 127 – OMG votes Arafax with no explanation whatsoever.

Post 129 – PP asks OMG why he voted for Arafax.

Post 136 – OMG says it’s because Post 125 sounds fake but gives no further information. He expands on this in Post 138 saying that he basically “goes on feel”.

Post 173 – RC saying he wants to kill someone.

Post 175 – Arafax saying he’s impatient and wants to kill someone.

Post 181 – RC starts the wagon against me.

Post 183 – Twomz just saying he agrees, no further explanation.

Post 184 – Arafax votes for me saying “I just want a wagon”.

Post 185 – Kurtz votes for me saying I’m trying too hard to be in the spotlight without being a leader.

Post 188 – CES adds the fifth vote to the wagon.

Post 189 – Twomz says we’re at lynch -2 so nobody else should vote.

Post 192 – RC “Mert is scum”.

Post 194 – Arafax is surprised I didn’t claim. Why?

Post 209 – RC oversimplifying the likelihood of finding scum from quicklynches.

Posts 210 and 211 – RC really pushing for a lynch.

Post 215 – Twomz saying he doubts scum would be stupid enough to quicklynch anyone, debunking RC’s “it’ll find scum” reason for the wagon.

Post 222 – RC says that the last two to jump on and quicklynch would be doing so “on no evidence”. Later goes on to say I’m scum and yet has stated earlier that there is no evidence.

Post 224 – Arafax asking why we’re waiting as I’m not going to claim despite me having posted earlier that (RL) day to say I had no real access (phone limites me to a maximum of 400 characters, meaning all I really could do was “post crap”).
So, my list of suspicion based on the reread I’ve done today:

Arafax
Twomz
Lowell
Rosso Carne
Elias_the_thief
omg_im_innocent_wtf
bloojay
Cogito Ergo Sum
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Colonel Kurtz
Pink Princess

Unvote, vote – Arafax


To address Arafax’s insistence that I should claim, does anybody else think this? He has asked twice why I haven’t and this is simply because I don’t feel like I need to yet. I will claim if enough people think I should, but I’m not going to just because Arafax has decided I should have done.
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:00 am

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mert, in my mind:

CLAIM...OR...DIE!!!
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:53 am

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Maybe I should have been a bit clearer... you aren't in a position to kill me since you're already voting for me. Sure, you can drum up support for my lynch but I'd like to hear from the people not currently on the wagon as well as yourself. I will claim if there is sufficient support for my doing so, but you and Arafax being the only ones doesn't persuade me.
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:56 am

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umm i know that.

its called a signature phrase.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:57 am

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that means i use it from time to time
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:58 am

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that also menas in context of out of context.
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:58 am

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Rosso Carne wrote:mert, in my mind:

CLAIM...OR...DIE!!!
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:01 am

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Heh, sorry... new to the site and all that. The only game I've read with you in it was Kingmaker.

So yeah, my bad.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:14 am

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<3 kingmaker
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:11 am

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Rosso, next time could you try makeing one post instead of 3?

Mert, if you think claiming will help find scum and save the town a mislynch, then do it (also, if you're scum, go ahead and fake claim so that we can evaluate if you're scum or not and get the day over with). Otherwise... I suppose wait for more people to voice their opinion.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:23 am

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I think that since Mert is 2 away from lynch and hasn't really provided any sort of defense for himself...a claim would be good at this point....
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:40 am

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i didnt catch the reasoning behind this wagon. could someone inform me on what scummy behavior has made him lynchable? not to sound skeptical, i just mised it somehow.
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:57 am

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Elias_the_thief wrote: didnt catch the reasoning behind this wagon. could someone inform me on what scummy behavior has made him lynchable? not to sound skeptical, i just mised it somehow.
The reason for the wagon: Here it is in their own words, beginning with RC.
Rosso Carne wrote:
mert wrote:Well you said sorry for not having checked the way the game was played and that you should have been more careful with your vote. The thing was, your vote was only the second on me and so it really wasn't that big a deal. What you were accused of was trying to get a Mertwagon going to give a quick lynch in Day One, something which only benefits scum.
mert wrote:Indeed, four votes does appear to have done the trick in this instance but FOS: Bloojay for putting on the fourth vote even though it immediately followed a vote count. I'd be very wary of putting anyone at Lynch-n (where n is a likely minimum amount of scum in the game) so early in Day One.
unvote, vote:mert


Call it a big hunch, but that's been bothering me as of late. 4 votes is not lynching range, neither is 5. Also, blatant quicklynches are good for the town, cuz it exposes 1-2 scum. Yeah yeah, sacrifice townies, but if scum are that dumb that they want a lynch, then power to em.

Other than that, personal experience. It's a slip. I'd be willing to put mert at 80% and lowell at 60% after reading this through again.
Then from Twomz:
vote: mert I agree w/ the above ^^

From Arafax:
Vote Mert I just want a wagon

From Colonel Kurtz:
As tempting as it is to vote Arafax for saying "I just want a wagon", I'm going to have to go with the Mert wagon at the moment because it seems like he is trying entirely too hard to be in the spotlight. I mean, yeah, I agree with some of the other allegations that he is making a big deal out of the 4 out of 7 vote, but my main problem is that he's sort of trying to be in the discussions consistently without being too much of a leader. vote Mert.

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Sweet, a wagon. Unvote, vote: Mert
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:58 am

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Apologies on the late vote count- it's been a busy weekend. It'll be up tonight sometime...
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:29 am

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Mert, I agree with Twomz that if you can save us a lynch by claiming, then do it. Count me on the claiming bandwagon (if such a thing exists).
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:10 am

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hmm. after the upcoming vote count and a possible claim from mert i'll decide what to do. i'm really tired right now though.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:08 am

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Random Acts wrote: From Arafax: Vote Mert I just want a wagon
Correction here...I voted him orignally for a wagon...Wagons are helpful, but it was what came afterwards that made me suspicious of Mert.

I kept my vote there because when he was close to a lynch he doesn't say anything...He puts out all of these I'm going to post later and some zero content posts...With that in mind, he is one of two things: scum or a vanilla...If you have a serious role, you claim when you're close to a lynch, simple as that....If you don't, you're not a very good player IMO...IMO, I'm willing to take the chance that he's a vanilla (though there's a pretty decent chance he's scum) and lynch him.
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:50 pm

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mert - re: your list

rosso lower
lowell lower
pp higher
ra WAY higher

that is all.
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:15 pm

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Actually weren't that many changes to the VC.

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Mert- 5 (Rosso Carne, Twomz, Arafax, Colonel Kurtz, Cogito Ergo Sum)
Arafax- 2 (omg_im_innocent_wtf, Mert)
omg_im_innocent_wtf- 1 (RandomActs)

Not voting (4): bloojay, Elias_the_thief, Lowell, Pink Princess

7 to lynch.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:52 pm

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The VC makes me happy. Mert is totally going to die.
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:36 pm

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Arafax [241] wrote:I kept my vote there because when he was close to a lynch he doesn't say anything...He puts out all of these I'm going to post later and some zero content posts...With that in mind, he is one of two things: scum or a vanilla...If you have a serious role, you claim when you're close to a lynch, simple as that....If you don't, you're not a very good player IMO...IMO, I'm willing to take the chance that he's a vanilla (though there's a pretty decent chance he's scum) and lynch him.
That's some pretty faulty logic in my opinion... firstly, I have stated in my sig that I have very limited access on weekends and later went to the trouble of checking in from my cellphone to let you know I’ll post very soon but could not do so then. I wasn’t about to write a full claim when limited to a maximum of 400 characters. I feel that I’ve been very clear on this point and your refusal to acknowledge it is very telling and has been noted.

With regard to the claim, I would say that revealing my role, power or otherwise, prematurely is worse play than holding on to it until you are genuinely close to a lynch. At five votes there is pressure but I don’t see much indication of others champing at the bit to jump on, which is why I asked what the people
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voting for me thought.

Since a few of them have now said their piece however, I will claim *sigh*.

I’m a cop. I began to breadcrumb it here (perhaps a bit too blatantly, in retrospect):
Mert [152] wrote:I don’t think anyone should be willing to go into Night One without having at least a few
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posts from everyone otherwise we’ll have no record to base our investigations on the following day and that is going to be bad for the town as a whole.
I think that this has probably been picked up by scum, which is why I’m certain there is scum somewhere in {Rosso Carne, Twomz, Arafax, Colonel Kurtz, Cogito Ergo Sum}. There’s very little evidence of scumminess, nor are there many accusations [making a big deal of the four votes on Lowell; trying to appear in the spotlight without contributing].

Everyone was sitting about waiting for Lowell and conveniently forgetting to look at other players in the game… I thought energy would be better focussed on looking at other people and if Lowell shows up then we grill him about his lurking then. It wasn’t so much the four votes itself that I took issue with but the fact that everyone was willing to sit back and not contribute about any other scummy acts in the game.

As for trying to look like I’m in the spotlight, I didn’t really think that I was. I like everyone to contribute. It’d be easy for someone like CES, if scum, to cruise right through to Day Two and beyond with very little content to base any accusations and thoughts on other than his sporadic voting pattern. I would not like the town to go through not grilling him just because there’s not much to form an opinion upon. He has put himself on every wagon so far and so when it comes to Day Three (for example), what is the town going to say? That he was on the wagon that lynched an innocent? He’s been on
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:31 am

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Still not interested in joining the mert wagon.

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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:37 am

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Unvote

No choice but to believe him...No one claims cop D1 when they're scum...Sorry we made you claim Mert, but I really didn't think that you were a power role...My fault.

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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:57 am

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Meh, I'd rather not have claimed but I do take your point about looking like I was vanilla until I'd said something so it'll be okay hopefully. I'd like any
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that might be out there to protect me tonight...
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:23 am

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LOL, that's a horrible breadcrumb.... you can't even classify that as a breadcrumb man....

Also, directing the doc is scummy, please don't do it.

I'd say that there's a 50% chance that mert is scum... and if he's scum that Arafax is one of his scumbuddies, who was trying to throw him under the bus, but now he's trying to difuse the bandwagon in a gambit that will give the scum a "confirmed" player for the first few days of the game. The other 50% chance is that you're telling the truth... in which case lynching you would be a really bad idea. The only real option is to let you go for today, and test your claim for the next few days :?.
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And, if you are right (either way) and someone on your wagon is scum, i'd think it's arafax... so
Vote: arafax
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