This got a lot of focus later, and it will be worth seeing by whom. Interestingly enough, the rest of the spamoff did
.
Spectrumvoid: Btw, what are the offices for?
Dude, did you not read your role PM? I consider playing stupid a significant scumtell.
Fritzler: can i have an office?
You have one!
Masterchief: Wait... You can have offices? I want one!
Ditto.
Fritzler: i have dibs on the next office
Meaningless spam.
Masterchief: Damn you...
Ditto.
Max: I dibs an office
WHAT DO THEY DO ANYWAY
IF YOU HAVE TO WORK IN THEM I WANT MINE BLOWN UP
Do you even know what game you're playing in, Max? This has like three scumtells! I didn't know you could *get* that much scumminess into spam!
Masterchief random votes SpamWise. Random votes on Day 2 are often the work of scum, since town is usually looking to the happenings of Day 1 to decide who to
non
randomly vote for. Also the fact that this random vote is for a major suspect of yesterday is rather too coincidental for my taste.
Lordy made the first puzzling post, announcing that ibaesha is a townie. Yosarian began the poking of holes into him, but did not vote; ibby cast the first of those, timestamped 10:23 PM 7/28.
Yosarian made another post, adding little if anything to his post of a few hours before, but including this line:
I'm thinking that lordy's just pulling BS out of thin air at this point.
Still no vote though.
SpamWise casts vote #2. Timestamp: 4:48 7/29, six-plus hours after ibby. (That is not by itself suspicious timeframe; it's added just for the record.)
Lordy made his now-infamous "Actually, no I messed up the offices" post. He voted ibby and FOSed SpamWise for no very coherent reason.
Spectrumvoid thus:
Yup, I do know what's in my office. But I couldn't figure out how changing offices would affect the game. Thanks for the ideas.
The
most
charitable take I can think of for this -- especially that last line! -- is "thanks for helping me coast by without doing any thinking of my own."
Not
what I call a very towny reaction. And the first line does not mesh well at all with his part in the spamoff.
Yos:
Um, you do understand why it's suspicious that you tried to out a vanillia townie, no matter if your reasoning was correct or not, right?
Three posts, now two of them explicitly calling Lordy scummy, and still no vote.
MOS casts vote #3. Timestamp: 11:25 AM 7/29.
Colonel Kurtz casts vote #4, timestamp 11:59 AM 7/29, in a post with some very snarled reasoning I've already called him down for.
Bluemonick, known scum, casts vote #5. Timestamp: 12:36 PM 7/29.
Only now does Yosarian vote, #6, timestamp 5:00 PM 7/29, citing the reasons he made in previous posts. Why then didn't you vote in those posts, YOsarian? You had ample opportunity to do so.
At this point I voiced my objection to the speed of the bandwagon, which as it turned out was not quite done speeding.
BabyJesus adds vote #7. Timestamp: 8:58 PM 7/29.
Pooky adds vote #8. Timestamp: 10:36 PM 7/29.
At this point I pause to take stock. The bandwagon grew from nothing to eight votes (out of 12) in exactly twenty-four hours. The last two votes are dismissable for now, as both BJ and Pooky are notorious bandwagoners especially early on, but the period of fastest growth -- three votes in 1:11, six votes in twelve hours and pocket change -- includes the only person known to be scum. And of course, the object of the wagoning is now known to be pro-town; overfast wagon+townie victim=hmmm. On the basis of this so far Yosarian comes off probably the worst, followed closely by Colonel Kurtz; there are a couple of reasons to be suspicious of Spectrumvoid, Masterchief and Max, but the Lordy wagon isn't one of them.
Moving on. Colonel Kurtz felt the need to defend his Lordy vote -- who he thought was attacking him for it, I have no idea -- and Fritzler added the ninth and last vote Lordy would get. Then I attacked the Colonel for voting
because
Lordy claimed a pro-town role Kurtz professed to believe he had. (Yes, technically Lordy never claimed, but that, as I have said before, is irrelevant as Col. Kurtz believed he did and was acting on that belief; and technically Lordy never said "my role is pro-town" but that is an implicit part of any roleclaim.) Harry Potter followed my vote. Kurtz Kount: two.
Quoth SpamWise:
I can vouch that the office of Jack Johnson is pro-town, otherwise my vote would be somewhere else.
I'm not crazy about this unsolicited voucher.
While SpamWise, Yos and ibaesha kept some heat on Lordy -- legitimately so; Lordy had some suspicious behavour to defend for all he was town and likely town being railroaded by scum -- Masterchief said, "Good enough for me." and voted Col. Kurtz. Mystery meat voted me for my Kurtzvote and Kurtz followed soon after, in his case with a diatribe aimed at his entire wagon in which he basically assumed that anyone who would dare vote him is ither stupid or scum or both. He added:
I'm not even going to bother with the lordy wagon at the moment because the three people voting for me bug me more.
Not going to bother? He was
on
the Lordy wagon.
Kurtz Kount: 3. TSS Tally: 2.
I responded to Kurtz's rant, and he responded to my counterattack. In hi response the following two statements were made.
I would assume that I could claim without fear of repercussions.
[M]y problem was how he said it so openly that he did that.
Almost all of his response suggests that he completely misunderstood what I was trying to say, so I'll grant the posibility that he just didn't get it. But this still looks like a contradiction to me, whether he did get it or didn't.
Armlx, posting for the first time all day, voted Col. K because of vibe and because "Lordy's role makes sense." MOS voted armlx on the merited charge that "the confused play" was unbuyable. I find it questionable myself. But then MOS added this:
Even if he did mistakenly think Lordy had claimed, there has also been a lot of discussion that casts reasonable doubt upon the alignment of such a claim.
In fact, there hasn't really. There has been Colonel Kurtz's bald assertion and that's about it. Admitedly, since roles and alignments are independent he could have the claimed role and be concurrently anti-town, but no one but the Colonel has sugested that there is or of right ought to be an anti-townness inherent in the role.
SpamWise declined to vote for Col. K. Kurtz Kount: four. It would eventually peak at five with a Fritzler vote. This is about when the bluemonick wagon got underway, and the same apears to be true for my computer headache, so that will be part II.
Taking stock of the Kurtzwagon, there seem to be some questionable jumps onto it but little visible collusion. Harry pinned his vote entirely on mine, but that's not itself scummy; Masterchief is worth keeping tabs on for other reasons, but I'm wary of reasoning in a circle with this; armlx made a scummy voting post but the attack on him was not free from question itself.
