Mini #355- Starcraft Mafia, Over

[rogue_two]

And I don't think I'm following CTD and Patrick's reasons for thinking a Kurtz lynch today is bad. I don't think he should be lynched today either, but that's because I think he's just confrontational and a bit hotheadish rather than scum. You two appear to have some other reason that I'm completely missing.

[Romanus]

rogue_two -- You are bordering on fishing. It is quite obvious what is going on here, just let it lie.

[Romanus]

Oh, and I really haven't figured out all the pros and cons on fully claiming or not.

It is possible that I could be confirmed tonight, but not necessarily. However, certain things could happen that would make it essential that I fully claim tomorrow. If it is necessary, and it could be pretty obvious, then I will claim. The doctor could make things interesting, but I am not dictating that I need protection. The doctor should make that choice on their own. My death tonight, could lead to some good info, but maybe not, so it is ok to not protect me. I am not essential, there are much better power roles than mine, like those indicated at the beginning. Any other questions may be answered without really claiming. I will make that judgement.

I hope this is satisfactory for now.

[Elias_the_thief]

i agree, there is not much need for a claim right now. id hope to see anix contribute to the game, even though it's his playstyle to lurk. thats it for now, im tired from soccer practice (3 mile run ugh) ill post again later today.

[Infested-jerk]

Handy dandy (hopefully) correct votecount
(If you have a problem speak up and I'll fix it)

Votecount-
Colonel Kurtz: 2, MBF, Elias
Romanus: 0
Rouge_two: 0
MikeBurnFire: 1 Anix
Anix: 0
Max: 0
Rosso Carne: 0
Lumos: 1 SpectrumVoid
SpectrumVoid: 5 Patrick, Rosso Carne, Colonel Kurtz, Rogue_two, CrashTextDummie

Seven to lynch.

[Patrick]

You know, I can kind of see where Romanus was coming from now with his little gut suspicion of rogue

I don't think a claim from Romanus is necessary at this point. Claiming for the sake of claiming only helps scum find the power roles, and the town wouldn't really benefit from the information at this point. Today isn't the right time to turn our attention back to Romanus, IMHO.

This is wishy washy. This would not be claiming for the sake of claiming. This would be claiming to help confirm Romanus, because atm he could be scum just saying he has a powerole. Not all that likely but possible. By getting a claim now, we force him to commit himself, so if he is scum faking, he is more likely to be countered. How does this 'only help scum find poweroles?' If Romanus is town, the scum already know he has a powerole. A full claim doesn't make him any more vulnerable. I don't understand your reasoning. The way you're also trying to steer things towards Anix again is noted. I also agree with Romanus's post 351.

@Romanus, I have no idea what your role could be, but I'm not going to press it if you don't want to full claim. I'm happy to give you some slack. I was just putting it out as a possibility.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Elias - I like the way that you are pressuring me, but your suspicion is definitely misplaced. I don't understand your misgiving towards the spectrumvoid wagon. He had his chance to explain himself, and he did, and said that what he did was definitely scummy. Ok, fine, he explained his actions fully and we have a case against him. What, in your opinion, is wrong with the spectrumvoid lynch? I don't feel that there is any more to say on the matter, spectrum clearly made a very scummy mistake and we have already explored why he should be a lynch. At this point we're just wasting time with matters that should be brought up tomorrow after we have new information from nightchoices (and Romanus' unexplained ability). I feel that spectrum is definitely the lynch for today.

[Romanus]

This may be a first, but I find it hard to disagree with Kurtz. The only thing I can add as to why we maybe shouldn't lynch spectrumvoid is because I believe she is a townie, also, we might want a claim. This post must be examined, and right now, it seems scummier now, than it did when I first read it. In fact all of these should be examined. Make up your own mind, I offer no further commentary.

Well, instead of Lumos, I'd rather lynch somebody who doesn't contribute to the game at all. See, after we had some votes on Anix, he talked. The gambit worked.

I'm not trying to just lynch people who are unhelpful. I'm trying to lynch people whom I think we will get very little or no information from. Who would you rather have in endgame or lynch-or-lose, Lumos or Anix? I'd rather keep Lumos, since we can always lynch her later. It'll be easier to decide to lynch her then since she's already emitted some scummy vibes. (Notice I said VIBES, nope, it isn't definite.)

With that said, of course I'm willing to vote Lumos if the spike on my scum radar goes up.

I don't understand what was scummy about that post... I meant that since Lumos only seemed a little scummy, we should go after someone who seems more scummy. And go after her later when we've gotten rid of the more scummy person, or people who do not contribute at all. Did I confuse anyone?

I'm not sure if this is a valid defence, but if I was scum, wouldn't I have pushed for Lumos's lynch, instead of away from it?

Anix: Yes... You rock and everything... so your defence is if you survive till endgame, you'll come up with some great theory and we'll win. I see one major hole: you may die before endgame. Then you won't have helped anyone at all. What kind of mafia player are you anyway, if you just lurk or post comments that do not tell us what you think of the players and the game? I think most mods have 'please contribute/participate' or something in the rules.

Black-and-white thoughts about lumos: I didn't say I knew she was DEFINITELY scummy (which is what many people seem to be thinking I said). I said she might have done some things that set off a LITTLE scummy vibes. So I wanted to shift the focus to someone more experienced, poke a couple of them to see who pinged on my scummy radar... I don't know whether I'm not being clear or no one's understanding me. Oh well. I guess I have to rethink this theory of mine. I tried it out in an IRC game earlier and everyone said it was a good idea. Hm...

Seems like no one wants to lynch Anix. And my vote on him is going nowhere. I guess I'll just have to remind myself not to play in the same game as Anix next time before I get so irritated by his 'I'm so good I'll save everybody in endgame' theory.

Colonel Kurtz, you were like so impassioned. Giving that 'I'm royally pissed' at Anix speech a few posts above this... And then you say you think I'm scummy and vote me. Either you're supertemperamental/having some kind of mood swing or the passionate Anix speech was a lie.

Reason for voting: Anix bandwagon is going nowhere, I don't like his vote on me, and to save my own skin. unvote, vote Colonel Kurtz

To clarify: the 'his' in my last sentence refers to Kurtz, not Anix.

Oh crap. Now I understand where the 'spectrumvoid is scummy' thing is coming from. **** (mutters expletives) I was scummy. Crap. I'm probably irredeemable... Seriously, I was like scratching my head trying to figure out why everyone suddenly thought I was scummy, when I thought I said something that made sense.

I see Lumos doing the same thing I did aka honest mistake but making herself seem scummy. Advice to lumos: stop digging yourself into a hole like I did.

I guess I'm the lynch for today. Even if you guys decide not to lynch me today, I'll always be under suspicion for this matter. *sigh* Well, at least I learnt something really important from this game.

Rogue_Two: Basically it's because I know that I've somehow managed to make a big mistake. Even though I swear I really didn't know that there was something wrong with my suggestion, now that I've figured it out, if someone else did the same thing I did, I'd have pushed very hard for him to be lynched. Also from a townie's viewpoint, it might be advantageous to lynch me, because you'll be able to see who hopped onto my bandwagon and take a closer look at what they said to decide if they're scum.

I'll do a reread and post tomorrow my views on who I think are scummy, so I'll still contribute to this game.

Romanus there you go again with the rogue-investigatorish behaviour.

I did a reread like I promised. Top 2 on my scum radar: Romanus, Lumos.

I still stand by what I believe, ie: that Lumos is scum. I'll attempt to rectify my idiocy by unvoting, vote lumos

Hey guys, you might want to think of checking out other games Romanus is playing currently. He likes to vote hop, accuse random people etc, but according to him, it's because he likes to carry out his own investigations. I'm not too sure what to think of that yet.

Don't modkill him. Maybe you could ask some other mods to replace temporarily?

Romanus: your reasons please?

HI Elias!

Elias, you're most suspicious of me but you vote Kurtz? Hm...

I have backed off from the issue of Anix since he started to talk.

What do you think of lumos?

Elias_the_thief wrote:
by the way, im actually most suspicious of spectrum. but i don't want to put him that close to lynch without hearing some more from him.


I guess that's his reason... I'd like to hear more from him though.

Romanus, the reason why I specifically asked you about the vote on Rogue was because it didn't seem to make sense. There was no discussion about him prior to your post, and your reason was gut feel.

After some thought, I think it's protownish that Elias didn't vote for me. After all, he'll be accused of bandwagoning tomorrow if I'm lynched today. And quick-lynching is scummy behaviour.

CTD: Care to explain why lynching Kurtz isn't a good idea today?

Lumos? Earth to Lumos?

[Patrick]

I'd certainly be up for a role claim from spectrumvoid. Would also like to hear Rosso and mike's opinions on this.

[Rosso Carne]

sv needs to claim. now.

also, id be willing to call out scum as lumos, sv, and rouge_2 right now, after the last few shitty posts he's made.

[mikeburnfire]

meh. I'm not really paying attention >_>

[spectrumvoid]

I'm a vanilla townie.

[spectrumvoid]

Role: I'm a vanilla townie.

I see where Patrick/Romanus are coming from about rogue_two. Nothing else to add, other than hoping that other people will start talking again.

[spectrumvoid]

Lol. I had a post error or something for post 361 so I thought it didn't go through, hence the double post.

[Elias_the_thief]

if your only response is to claim vanilla townie, then im

vote: spectrumvoid

[Infested-jerk]

Handy dandy (hopefully) correct votecount
(If you have a problem speak up and I'll fix it)

Votecount-
Colonel Kurtz: 1, MBF
Romanus: 0
Rouge_two: 0
MikeBurnFire: 1 Anix
Anix: 0
Elias_The_Thief: 0
Rosso Carne: 0
Lumos: 1 SpectrumVoid
SpectrumVoid: 6 Patrick, Rosso Carne, Colonel Kurtz, Rogue_two, CrashTextDummie, Elias

Note to Elias: Please Unvote .

Note: SpectrumVoid is 1 Vote away from being Lynched.

[Romanus]

I am polishing my hammer as we speak, just want to see some responses first.

[AniX]

Oh, am I still voting? Jesus, that vote is stale as hell, isn't it? I guess I forgot to unvote or thought I did already or something. (I haven't been trusting the vote counts because they have been so littered with errors I just kind of go "yeah, vote count")

Unvote if I, indeed, am still actually voting.

[AniX]

Sigh, why is Scum screwing up and not showing me THE WHOLE LAST PAGE(I currently cannot see my own post). If you guys can see this, give me a couple hours to see if Scum lets me view this page and doesn't tell me "DEBUG MODE" every time I try to access it.

[mikeburnfire]

meh

[Infested-jerk]

Note: Lowell Replaces Ameliaslay.

Note: Elias, I counted your vote anyways.

Note: Going to remove Elias' post and Anix's double.

[Rosso Carne]

yeah, sv needs to die.

not even a name claim....

[mikeburnfire]

Sorry Spectrum, but I think it's time I hammahed. I hope you turn up scum, but if you don't then I appologize.

unvote, vote SpectrumVoid

[mikeburnfire]

Also, I am suspicious that Rosso wanted a name claim, since SV claimed townie and the townie PM is in the first post. Hmmm. Have I made a bad decision here?

[Romanus]

Never mind now, although it could
Open up some avenues for
Discussion tomorrow when we try to think
Of something to argue about. Though, I think there
Could be a lot of discussion tomorrow.