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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:43 pm

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@Om -
Nice meta you have there. I liked the one where you replaced in - as if that is at all relevant to this situation. But hey.

All I see there is that you are much more inclined to give your own opinions and make cases as town, while your scum play is more reserved and has you seemingly withholding opinions. I see the latter here, without a doubt.

OOH and let's have a look at your wiki selfmeta.

Om of the Nom wrote:As Town:
~Motivational problems if the game has low activity
~Aggressiveness and thirst for blood
...
~Frequent yelling
~High activity, especially near the start of the game
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~Getting annoyed at people when they don't listen to me

Nope.

Om of the Nom wrote:~Lower activity
~More reserved
~More contradicting
~Not as involved
~Focus on mainly one or two people
~Gut, but not pushing it as hard

OH YES DING DING DING

IceGuy wrote:Still trying to get your mislynches through, I see.

Save this unnecessary bullshit.

IceGuy wrote:
Why wouldn't scum have simply answered the questions/responded to the pressure and ended the whole back-and-forth?
Bolded for importance.

You asked me this before.

"I'd have thought it was obvious. You know, you've pulled a bunch of reads out of your arse and can't explain them. Or you're just trying to look town. Or you found yourself at L-1 with intent to hammer declared and REACTION TEST was your only realistic way out.

I don't know, since when was it necessary to explain why scum do what they do? That just opens the door to all sorts of shitty narrative-based reasoning."


IceGuy wrote:No. You either have no clue how mafia works or you're scum. My bet is on the latter.

LOL I HAVE NO CLUE HOW MAFIA WORKS?

Any scum with the first fucking clue about this game knows they have to act town. Any scum with the first fucking clue about this game knows how to act town. THEY DO NOT NEED TO BE TOLD THIS.

IceGuy wrote:Often enough to possibly know about OmNom's reputation.

So this is stretching the truth. Om knows it too.

IceGuy wrote:I already mentioned them above.

Um no. You said "oh these postsare scummy because he did this". Go get those posts and actually support it with reference to their content, rather than bullshit generalised statements.

IceGuy wrote:Nobody takes a stance in RVS, that's why it's RVS. RVS-based reasoning is generally shitty. Try again.

RVS has to have meaning because at some point the town has to get out of it, which requires reads. Posts such as those discussed give no information and so impair the town's ability to move out of RVS and do something useful.

IceGuy wrote:So what you're trying to say is, "The most likely mislynches for today are you and OmNom, not N, so I'm dropping it quietly for now and will return to it tomorrow."

No.
If you're going to keep spinning this kind of translation-narrative crap then I won't bother to respond.

You may have noticed that N was at L-1 when I unvoted. So still pretty likely the way I see it, I don't know about you.

IceGuy wrote:See above: Why would I have even let it come to this if I was scum?

Because you didn't
let it come to this
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IceGuy wrote:Since the game of Mafia was invented. Or are you claiming that you aren't actually interested in the alignment of players and are just looking for things that you can spin as scummy?

Nope. "Hey he just did something scummy, but I don't know why he did it as scum." No. That just introduces massive amounts of WIFOM into your scumhunting.

IceGuy wrote:Of course that's relevant - somebody else does it, you say nothing, your designated mislynch does it, you claim it's definitely scummy behavior. That's something that needs to be called out.

Don't even fucking go there. I questioned it each time. And hey, I don't even remember calling it scummy at all. All I did was ask for further explanation. Looking a bit self-conscious there, aren't you?

IceGuy wrote:So why didn't you request L-1 announcements in your first post if they are so important for you?

I assumed people would be kind enough to add a little "oh, by the way, that's L-1, so don't accidentally hammer". You know, as is good town play. You are making this into something it isn't. Answer the original question and quit this extended dodge.

IceGuy wrote:I wasn't sure - I had a suspicion. The back-and-forth made me sure.

What about it?

IceGuy wrote:No, because I didn't think you'd like to draw the heat that comes with a hammer that early.

Oh look the narratives again. This implies you were pretty damn sure I was scum.

IceGuy wrote:Reading comprehension fail.

Nope. What changed between those two posts that made you suddenly feel you were so much more likely to get lynched?

IceGuy wrote:You are on the two most opportunistic lynches today. What's your point?

"Somebody else does it, you say nothing, your designated mislynch does it, you claim it's definitely scummy behavior. That's something that needs to be called out."
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:48 pm

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Oh yeah, I should update my wiki. My self-meta tells are out of date.
I'd link to some games to show certain things but they're ongoing.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:50 pm

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This game is more like how I play now.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22964
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:51 pm

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In post 125, Jarvis wrote:
You asked me this before.

"I'd have thought it was obvious. You know, you've pulled a bunch of reads out of your arse and can't explain them. Or you're just trying to look town. Or you found yourself at L-1 with intent to hammer declared and REACTION TEST was your only realistic way out.

I don't know, since when was it necessary to explain why scum do what they do? That just opens the door to all sorts of shitty narrative-based reasoning."


This is not an answer.


LOL I HAVE NO CLUE HOW MAFIA WORKS?


No, you're scum.

Any scum with the first fucking clue about this game knows they have to act town. Any scum with the first fucking clue about this game knows how to act town. THEY DO NOT NEED TO BE TOLD THIS.


If scum knows how to act town, why do we do this whole scumhunting stuff? If that would be the case, town and scum would be indistinguishable.


Um no. You said "oh these postsare scummy because he did this". Go get those posts and actually support it with reference to their content, rather than bullshit generalised statements.


I already did this. There is no point in quoting the post in full and saying "this is where he pushed OmNom and N" instead of just referencing the post number.


RVS has to have meaning because at some point the town has to get out of it, which requires reads. Posts such as those discussed give no information and so impair the town's ability to move out of RVS and do something useful.


RVS-based reasoning is generally shitty. Try again.


Nope. "Hey he just did something scummy, but I don't know why he did it as scum." No. That just introduces massive amounts of WIFOM into your scumhunting.


So what you're saying is that there is no point to look at motivations?
That you'd happily lynch a player where you know it made no sense to act as he did as scum just because he dropped something you generally consider a scumtell?



Don't even fucking go there. I questioned it each time.


Quotes please.

And hey, I don't even remember calling it scummy at all. All I did was ask for further explanation. Looking a bit self-conscious there, aren't you?


So what you're saying is that:

In post 70, Jarvis wrote:
Intent to hammer.


There's a reason for you. Add the sneaky L-1 vote on N to your list of things to elaborate on too.


does not mean the L-1 vote was a scumtell for you?


I assumed people would be kind enough to add a little "oh, by the way, that's L-1, so don't accidentally hammer". You know, as is good town play. You are making this into something it isn't. Answer the original question and quit this extended dodge.


This isn't "good town play" or even "default town play".


What about it?


The fact that you kept pushing me although it was obvious that no scum would do what I did.


Oh look the narratives again. This implies you were pretty damn sure I was scum.


No. I was already suspicious of you, though, as I said before.


Nope. What changed between those two posts that made you suddenly feel you were so much more likely to get lynched?


Reading comprehension fail.


"Somebody else does it, you say nothing, your designated mislynch does it, you claim it's definitely scummy behavior. That's something that needs to be called out."


What do you mean?
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:52 pm

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In post 125, Jarvis wrote:All I see there is that you are much more inclined to give your own opinions and make cases as town, while your scum play is more reserved and has you seemingly withholding opinions. I see the latter here, without a doubt.

The only thing you really got correct here that applies to my current meta is that I'm more reserved as scum.
Really, I use a lot of gut reads as either alignment, so I don't always give opinions anyway.
I only ever make cases if I'm really bored, or people are being stupid and not lynching obvscum. However right now I don't have any obvscum reads and so I'm just sheeping people.
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:55 pm

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In post 125, Jarvis wrote:
Om of the Nom wrote:
~High activity, especially near the start of the game


Om of the Nom wrote:
~Lower activity

Activity Overview wrote:Name: Om of the Nom Postcount: 28 (as of this post)

Yep, I already have the highest postcount in the game, I'm totally scum for low activity.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:00 pm

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There, now it's much more accurate :D
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:13 am

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Vote Count 1.1.06


Jarvis (4) - Fate, Maestro, Albert B. Rampage, IceGuy
Om of the Nom (4) - Jarvis, Maestro, Fate, Yosarian2
IceGuy (4) - Kcdaspot, Maestro, Yosarian2, Albert B. Rampage
Yosarian2 (3) - Maestro, IceGuy, Om of the Nom
N (3) - Maestro, Fate, IceGuy
Albert B. Rampage (3) - Kcdaspot, Maestro, N
Kcdaspot (2) - Fate, Jarvis
Fate (1) - Maestro
Maestro (1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (0)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Maestro replaces UberNinja.

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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:22 am

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In post 131, Om of the Nom wrote:There, now it's much more accurate :D

Om of the Nom's wiki page wrote:New tells:
~Not giving a shit about how people are reading me.
~Acting like an arrogant asshole for teh lulz.
~Frequent Buddying of awesome people :D
~Fluffing it up like a mofo.

Oh look at that: your new and improved towntells are just like how you're playing this game! What an unbelievable coincidence!

I'm not going to hammer, in case Maestro (welcome, by the way!) wants to take all those votes off.

Oh, and
mod, (if you haven't already) can we get a prod on kcdaspot please?
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:02 am

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Ehhh fuck responding to IceGuy.

Maestro get in here because I'm not hammering before you do.

Fate, you're still voting me why?
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:12 am

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Hai gaiz. Funny enough, I'm already caught up - I actually asked Chaos for the slot if it was still available. True story. :D

Based on what I've already seen, UNVOTE: All EXCEPT Jarvis
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:31 am

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OmNom's okay for now in my eyes, but I'll be watching him in the future.

Everything IceGuy said, I agree with wholeheartedly. Why is this option not being considered more readily?
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:03 am

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Yeah no I don't fuckin trust you Maestro
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:26 am

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Awww, c'mon Fate...just because of Mini 1351?
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:42 am

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No because you're defending Omnom and like fuck I'm going to let that slide
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:00 am

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Oh, ok. Why is that bad? I don't think his play is that scummy. I said so.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:01 am

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I even added that I'll be watching him, so it should be obvious I'm not that convinced that he isn't scum. Boo.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:58 am

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wow I should've just hammered when I had the chance

N, vote IceGuy because we've obviously got some derptown here between OmNom and Maestro.

Way to leave me at L-1 because LOL HAI GUYS I AGREE WITH ICEGUY

Also Fate stop leaving me at L-1 with OmNom being all "oh yeah Jarvis is suddenly suspicious now"

IceGuy wrote:If scum knows how to act town, why do we do this whole scumhunting stuff? If that would be the case, town and scum would be indistinguishable.

You're not this dense. I can read recipes, they tell me how to cook things. That doesn't give me three fuckig michelin stars.

Any scum worth his salt knows what he needs to do to look town, but they get caught when their scum motivations shine through.

EVERYONE PLEASE TAKE NOTICE OF THE IRRELEVANT TANGENTS ICEGUY IS PUSHING TO AVOID ANSWERING QUESTIONS

IceGuy wrote:So what you're saying is that there is no point to look at motivations? That you'd happily lynch a player where you know it made no sense to act as he did as scum just because he dropped something you generally consider a scumtell?

Way to blow that out of proportion. I talked about why a couple of posts back. I don't need to give a definite HE DID THIS BECAUSE THIS.

IceGuy wrote:Quotes please.

You've already addressed obe occasion directly. I'd have thought you'd have read my posts more closely, seeing as you're referencing them against me.

IceGuy wrote:does not mean the L-1 vote was a scumtell for you?

I wanted an explanation. You said there was no reason. So I gave you a reason. Your refusal to do so, LOLREACTIONTEST, and now this dodging questions is what makes you scum.

IceGuy wrote:What do you mean?

I'll be more explicit. Fate is on what you call the two most opportunistic lynches in the game. You don't mention it. You barely mention him at all. Yet you are using it as the cornerstone of your case against me. Hence the relevant quote.

The rest does not deserve a response. Someone get this scumfuck back up to L-1 so I can hammer him.
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:00 am

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Prodding Kcdaspot.
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:37 pm

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/out i need to focus on my modded game.
A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:10 pm

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I'm fine yo being at L-1, what's your problem with it?
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:28 pm

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In post 142, Jarvis wrote:wow I should've just hammered when I had the chance

N, vote IceGuy because we've obviously got some derptown here between OmNom and Maestro.


All right, but if he flips scum, I know exactly who I'm voting for next time.

VOTE: IceGuy

I really hope I don't regret this.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:26 pm

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In post 133, N wrote:Oh look at that: your new and improved towntells are just like how you're playing this game! What an unbelievable coincidence!

So you're saying that I would go out of my way to edit my wiki (that anyone can see) just so that I could be cleared in this game alone?
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:51 pm

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Yeah not waiting days for another replacement.

VOTE: IceGuy

BYE BYE SCUM

In post 145, Fate wrote:I'm fine yo being at L-1, what's your problem with it?

Because I'm not on the list of people being lynched today. And there's two unexplained votes hanging around on me.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:33 pm

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Congratulations, you stupid fucks. You lynched town. Don't forget to lynch Jarvis next, followed by Yos2 and N on Day 2. Bye.

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