Mini #355- Starcraft Mafia, Over

[Romanus]

Wrong, you already voted for me. You can't vote me again. The answer is how do you react. I am examining, as should everyone, how people react to things. Especially when they think they are not being examined.

[mikeburnfire]

Congratulations on catching me on a technicallity.

unvote, vote Romanus

[Romanus]

that's better

[mikeburnfire]

if you say so.

[Patrick]

Also, I am not trying to duck and hide from any of this. I would say that my behavior has caused more real game discussion than anyone else. This is one of the main reasons for acting the way I am.

I don't like this defence. It could be applied to anything anybody ever does that is scummy. 'Hey guys, my actions have generated lots of discussion which is obviously a pro town thing.' It is very easy for someone to say they were just testing for reactions. Here's another problem. When accused of buddying up to mike you actually denied it saying you're much too clever for that crap. Now it seems you admit you were, but insist this is good because it will create lots of discussion. Well I'll agree on one thing, if you're scum then this discussion is good.

Here comes the WIFOM:
Would a scum put on a show like this, doing admittedly strange things, attacking Lumos then defending her, saying that the guy leading the charge against him is most likely town. Like I said, WIFOM, but there it is anyway.

This doesn't seem like unusual behaviour for a scum. Like I said before, telling the guy who is leading the charge that he is pro town is a common scum tactic. Attacking Lumos then defending her is also not that surprising. You're not exactly the only one having second thoughts about lynching Lumos or at least about lynching her straight away.

[spectrumvoid]

First off,

unvote

This doesn't mean that I don't think that she's scummy. I still think that she's scum, not just a newbie player who made mistakes. It's because there's something else more interesting going on, and I think that we have heard all that Lumos and her defender (Romanus) has to say for the moment, the defense is getting repeated.

I'd just like to do a short summary of what Romanus has done this game. Vote lumos, unvote, vote colonel kurtz, unvote, and vote rogue two. And state that she thinks Lumos and mikeburnfire are townie. (I think that the reasons are not strong.)

This does seem like a mafia player who jumps around voting people. Also, Romanus is skilled, as in he doesn't just vote, he puts reasons that seem to make sense. It seems scummy to me because he confuses the town. He could also either be trying to dissociate himself from the other mafia, by voting then changing his mind, and/or to defend his fellow mafia, by accusing other people when it looks like his fellow mafia are close to being lynched. While being vocal and provoking discussion is a pro-town behaviour, I feel that Romanus has been jumping around way too much.

[CrashTextDummie]

If we all agree that Romanus is scum (I'm getting more convinced with every post he makes), why aren't we lynching him?

[Patrick]

Why rush? We're not deadlined.

[mikeburnfire]

True, but that's no reason to procrastinate. Momentum required inertia.

[Romanus]

I never claimed that my reasons for believing MBF or Lumos were strong.

If I simply accused people and didn't use my vote then I could be accused of pointing fingers but not commiting myself.

Oh, and I voted for Kurtz at the very beginning too, don't forget that one.

Look, I am not really interested in defending my behavior, see it the way you wish to see it. You think its scummy, well, what can I say, I can't go back and change what I have said, nor do I wish to. I think what I have do so far has helped the town, and for that I will not apologize. I am doing what I think is best for the town. If you judge it is scummy, the most scummy thus far, then vote that way.

I am pushing, pushing hard so that the town may win. My motives are clean. I believe my death does less good then staying alive, but my death will also have its benefits. I do not wish to die, I will do all I can to prevent it.

Also, it is posts like the one above like CrashTextDummie that I do what I am doing. That is a scummy post if I ever saw one.

[CrashTextDummie]

Also, it is posts like the one above like CrashTextDummie that I do what I am doing. That is a scummy post if I ever saw one.

It was directed mostly at spectrumvoid, who spent a great deal explaining why she thinks you're scummy, but didn't feel the need to commit herself to a vote.

There are some other people in the same boat.

[Patrick]

I don't know why ppl want to end the day now. We have hardly heard from Max or Anix. I can honestly see no disadvantage in discussing. If we want to lynch Romanus, he'll still be here after a few more pages.

If we all agree that Romanus is scum (I'm getting more convinced with every post he makes), why aren't we lynching him?

Look at the votecount. Does it look as if we all agree that Romanus is scum? CTD the last post you made with any content was 161 I think. In that post you had a go at Lumos, and also said you were suspicious of Kurtz. Kurtz hasn't replied to that. Yet you're still eager to end the day now?

[Rosso Carne]

Dont like the Romanus wagon.

The kidster gives off some bad vibes, but I'm personally neutral on him. The tough thing is in that there seem to be a whole lot of scum on his wagon taking advantage of craplogic like vote-hopping. =/ IGMEO anyone whos joined late {that means probably not MBF}

Lomus should be lynched by now.

[CrashTextDummie]

I'm in no hurry, Patrick, and I should have taken the time to word that post better. What I meant to say is that quite a lot has happened with Romanus and everyone should have formed an opinion on him by now. There is no reason for anyone to lurk anymore and if they feel that I am wrong in thinking he is scum, they should speak up. Spectrumvoid has voiced her opinion, and although she came to the same conclusion as I did, she didn't cast a vote.

I've spent a large part of my day (more than 5 hours) reading and analysing a game that I replaced into, and it lead me to post in a lazy and easily misunderstood tone in this one, and for that I apologize. I'll do a thorough reread and come up with more useful thoughts tomorrow.

[mikeburnfire]

I don't know why ppl want to end the day now. We have hardly heard from Max or Anix.

AniX being quiet is nothing new, which is why I'm impartial to his lynch. Max probably wouldn't have said anything useful anyway.

;)

[Patrick]

Interesting that Rosso is trying to keep Romanus alive by pushing for a Lumos lynch.

The kidster gives off some bad vibes, but I'm personally neutral on him. The tough thing is in that there seem to be a whole lot of scum on his wagon taking advantage of craplogic like vote-hopping. =/ IGMEO anyone whos joined late {that means probably not MBF}

A whole lot of scum? Like who? Vote hopping isn't the only thing against Romanus.

@Mike I know what you're saying but how are we supposed to tell if these two are scum if they don't say anything. Do we wait until day 3 before we start wondering about this? Genuine question. I've not played with anyone quite like Anix before.

[Rosso Carne]

@Patrick: i woudlnt know, i dont have a votecount.

!VC.

Also, the early pressure on romanus was basically to get newbie scum out of the woodwork and onto the bandwagon, as happened with lomus. so meh. Maybe, maybe not, but im more sure of lomus than romanus.

Also, theres not really anyone quite like AniX in this world.

[mikeburnfire]

...how are we supposed to tell if these two are scum if they don't say anything. Do we wait until day 3 before we start wondering about this? Genuine question. I've not played with anyone quite like Anix before.

If it were up to me, I'd have them modkilled. Players like AniX step aside and let everyone else do the gruntwork of getting the game moving. If twelve AniXs were placed in a game, it would be cancelled due to prolonged inactivity. They don't contribute until it's too late to get a good read on them. They're a liability if left alive.

So that why I've developed my strategy of lynching AniX and others like him when the game begins. Instead of waiting until we're placed in a Lynch-or-lose scenario with multiple lurkers, I pledge to quickly remove such obstacles by way of my vote. Even if I was scum I would kill AniX the first night. It's just more fun if everyone participates.

'Lynch all Liars' is a rough guideline that suggests that those who lie are scum being ensnared in their own web of deceit. But there are exceptions, such as when a doctor hides his role to assist the town, or for an unkillable townie to claim doctor so the mafia waste a kill. 'Lynch all Lurkers' is a much better code to play by, as there are hardly any justified exceptions. Lurkers, regardless of alliance, are a liability. They are a threat to the hardworking people of the town. That is my reasoning, and will continue to be so.

But hey, what do I know? I haven't even been around for a year. Still pretty green by comparison I suppose. Perhaps my judgement is clouded by my naivete.

[Infested-jerk]

Handy Dandy "I was asleep when you guys decided to add 50 replies" Votecount
Vote Count:
Colonel Kurtz: 0
Romanus: 4. , Lumos, MBF, Crashtextdummie, Patrick
Rouge_two: 1, Romanus
MikeBurnFire: 1 Anix
Anix: 0
Max: 0
Rosso Carne: 0
Lumos: 3, Colonel Kurtz, Rosso Carne, Ameliaslay

[Romanus]

Please let me know if it comes down to me role-claiming. I never wish to claim, but if it is necessary, I don't see it being a problem, and could allow us to move to better targets. Suffice to say that with my role, it would be better to wait till at least tomorrow to lynch me.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Well being as how you're either doc or cop, I don't think it really matters. If you're the cop, just say so and the doctor will protect you tonight. Otherwise, you're mafia, and waiting until tomorrow *would* be better, but for you and your scum buddies. The way you are going about claiming a power role is extremely scummy to me. I want a role claim. Elsewise, I want a lynch.

unvote Lumos, vote Romanus

[CrashTextDummie]

*blinks*

Excuse me? You want to lynch someone you believe to be either doc or cop? Oh sure, I can understand why you want a claim, better make sure if you can safely kill him tonight.

Unvote, Vote: Colonel Kurtz

[spectrumvoid]

I will not vote until we have heard from everyone. (Well, almost everyone, except Anix). It'll be better for us if everyone speaks. After we lynch today, we'll have more info to discuss tomorrow. Quick-lynching = bad.

@Romanus: I didn't forgot the 1st Colonel vote, I just thought it was a random one since it was so early on in the game. Hang on for the role-claim.

@Colonel Kurtz: You're assuming we have a doc.

My views about the Anix issue: If he doesn't post at all, is it possible to get him replaced? If not, yes, I want him to die.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Ohhh, here's the thing, CTD, if you're going to read, you have to comprehend. That's not what I said. My logic was, he's trying to not-so-subtly claim a power role, the only power roles are Cop and Doc. I don't believe he is the doctor, so my logic is that if he's the cop, he can just claim that and the doc can protect him. If he doesn't feel like claiming, I don't feel that he's a pro-town role, then I want to lynch him. So here's, basically what I said:

Romanus claims: I have a power role, don't lynch me until tomorrow because that would be bad.

I purport: He is either the cop or scum, because I know he's not the doctor. Therefore! if he claims, he can get doc protection every night that the doctor is alive thus proving that he is in fact the cop and he is free to tell the town the results of his investigations

Possibility 1: He claims cop, is not lying and the town has a great benefit.

Possibility 2: He chooses not to claim. I ONLY IN THAT EVENT want to lynch him because I think that indicates that he is mafia trying to claim a power role but not wishing to be counterclaimed. We let him live and possibly lynch a townie in his place.

[Romanus]

This role was not disclosed at the beginning, which is very good info for the town to know. I don't think my role is the only undisclosed role either.