Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[singersigner]

It was basically town having five people to find v. scum having five people to find.

I'm disappointed DDD fought so hard

against

LLD's lynch because I would've rather her die first, but bringing up the fact that he never thought to counter-claim really helped LLD. It wasn't til LLD didn't like the idea of them investigating each other that I was ready to vote, and I'm sad I didn't. I was just legitimately lost for most of the game, as were quite a few of us, which I think really hurt town--including the 200 page game everyone kept bitching we follow along with and read. >_>

I don't get how "neutral" would've won if we no/mislynched today, though...

[Shmugen]

Duplicity won if the number hit 85. Any death other than LLD/DDD would have pushed that number to 85.

[Gammagooey]

yeah ddd shouldn't have gotten lynched and UN played horrifically.

but expecting town to lynch consistently well when
a-starting from a pool of twenty-nine players and
b- having to lynch all the scum before the unblockable-killing-country-cop and scum daykiller figured out who the people they needed to kill were and just winning the game despite all the protective roles that exist.

oh and also we probably couldn't have won period if duplicity had stayed alive for another 2 game days since the kill counter would just slaughter us while we're trying to sort through somewhere around 15-20 people with the number of scum to lynch through before then.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What scum Daykiller?

[implosion]

Vi I'm sorry but town losing with twelve pro-town people alive after having 5 dead scum in 5 days before the modkill is terrible.

Town had nothing to do with three of those dead scum.

yeeeah. Although I was killed due to being caught (even if not by the town, although i was almost lynched day one). I'm pretty sure if we hadn't shot duplicitly, no one ever would have suspected them.

Also, what greyice said regarding regfan. I think there's an old nom for him for paragon, someone should second it. Because seriously...

[Vi]

On the one hand, Gamma, yes.

On the other hand, I balanced the counter based on an assumption of MUCH quicker Days. Like, this game should have ended around Day 10.

[Gammagooey]

lld read the role pm modnotes, greyice would have gotten one but we lynched him right before the counter got high enough.

[Tierce]

The shit I'm doing will make a lot more fucking sense once the game's over.

What was this, then?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gamma, you did notice that my Rolecop disintigrated over time, yes?

Like, things balance etc. Town had a lot of power. You guys win today if I get lynched.

I think this game was super balanced and town should have won.

It's just Tierce's Flavor Speculation and DDD's mistakes that cost you the game.

[singersigner]

The shit I'm doing will make a lot more fucking sense once the game's over.

What was this, then?

I was town.

[singersigner]

On the one hand, Gamma, yes.

On the other hand, I balanced the counter based on an assumption of MUCH quicker Days. Like, this game should have ended around Day 10.

Then why were we told that there was no benefit to lynching quickly...

[Gammagooey]

but you still got a name from the rolecop right? which was the only thing that actually mattered given your list of 5 people to win the game.

yeah town got a lot of clears but when you have a one in twelve chance of actually lynching scum the day before they win the game town kind of needs a hell of a lot to mitigate it.

[Vi]

yeah town got a lot of clears

but when you have a one in twelve chance of actually lynching scum the day before they win the game

town kind of needs a hell of a lot to mitigate it.

Uh. Gamma.

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Also, I was a *silly cow* and neglected to post the Night actions. They're now in the middle of 5158 because that was the first place I thought to put them.

[singersigner]

Also, apparently DDD targetted me...so he lied about it...why did he trust the result of "undetermined"?

[Vi]

Also, apparently DDD targetted me...so he lied about it...why did he trust the result of "undetermined"?

...um, sisi, unless I'm totally misreading you, reality is over thattaway...

[singersigner]

Also, apparently DDD targetted me...so he lied about it...why did he trust the result of "undetermined"?

...um, sisi, unless I'm totally misreading you, reality is over thattaway...

OH. I misunderstood the modnote. I thought it meant that he had investigated me and that's what turned up. Nevermind.

[Gammagooey]

vi you know exactly what i mean.
we had a bunch of people that were slightly less likely to be scum than normal because of a country cop result, dana-town, a gigantic red herring from the no kill earlier pointing to toasty that we correctly ignored, and hindu+glork+tierce being likely town for various claim stuff, even though tierce shouldn't have actually been claim-town except she messed stuff up.

like apparently the country cop was basically a real cop but not knowing that brings its usefulness down quite a lot.

[Vi]

like apparently the country cop was basically a real cop but not knowing that brings its usefulness down quite a lot.

Quite a lot?

[Timeater]

people on lld at the end: good
people on DDD at the end: stern looks if disapproval

[Oversoul]

like apparently the country cop was basically a real cop but not knowing that brings its usefulness down quite a lot.

Quite a lot?

Those are the only types of cops Vi has used so far to my knowledge.

Read Mafia with the Kitties and me as Flavor cop.

Glork + Tierce talking about the cop thing and Vi and the "Godfather" Hatari were pretty accurate.

[Vi]

like apparently the country cop was basically a real cop but not knowing that brings its usefulness down quite a lot.

Quite a lot?

Those are the only types of cops Vi has used so far to my knowledge.

Read Mafia with the Kitties and me as Flavor cop.

Soren was actually STRONGER than the Flavor Cop because of how strong country was correlated with alignment. danakillsu's role is more of an analog to the Maf.Kitties Flavor Cop.

Glork + Tierce talking about the cop thing and Vi and the "Godfather" Hatari were pretty accurate.

Pish. Both of the Wolves were on Daein's side in-flavor; I just felt like opening the door for subversion in the flavorpost without actually stepping through said door.

[Vi]

Oh oh oh oh oh I keep forgetting this.

Thank all of you so so so much for playing this game. It was a 29-player game at a time when the site was really hurting for active and decent players. Not easy to fill. Extra thanks and <3s to the people who replaced in over 100 pages in (in spite of how things turned out). In a very real sense, I couldn't have done this without you.

[SpyreX]

Well that was a whole bunch of bad pages with some nuggets inside.

I am absolutely 100% fine with being the lynch today with the caveat that after that is done and I'm set free:

1.) UN dies.

2.) LLD dies.

3.) EVERY BIT of this cloak and dagger bullshit with these softest of claims goes away. All across the board.
4.) Tierce or someone else does a proper full out VCA and looks at it in detail.
5.) You promise me that if we start moving towards endgame Glork isn't there. Call it official paranoia.

Despite the bad end results I think KKB is town. I can follow the process even if the end result is bonkers.
I dont think its definitive that Hindu will die and even if he doesn't Hindu is town.

There is absolutely nothing about my role that would have interfered with not one but two attempts to do something to me. Unless someone wants to fess up with interference I'm calling nonsense from at least one of those.

Also, to make this even easier, I'm pretty sure under any realm of normalcy with the SKUM LIST I'm probably not on it. So, get it done.

Its all I wanted

It wasn't much.

[ToastyToast]

people on DDD at the end: stern looks if disapproval

Yeah because DDD was

clearly

town. If you were alive you would've voted for me and had sephiran win.

[SpyreX]

That's the one that will always make my head hurt:

DDD was clearly town.

I know I didn't have a great game and voices of the dead etc, etc but DDD getting lynched over LLD will not ever make sense to me.