Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Tammy]

Oh derp never mind. Still the blue number went up by one with one page of posts.

[Gammagooey]

Unvote

probably going to go over toasty and then be useful sometime later tonight.

[danakillsu]

@ Katsuki

Glork correctly named who he visited N2. He is 100% confirmed to be from Goldoa, the place he claims to be from. Do you find it likely that scum would reveal to us their true country? Do you find it likely that scum would be from Goldoa?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

VOTE: Toasty

Need to get some direction going that isn't a guaranteed mislynch. Oh and I'd jump in and answer dana's questions for Kats but that's rude.

[Katsuki]

@ Katsuki

Glork correctly named who he visited N2. He is 100% confirmed to be from Goldoa, the place he claims to be from. Do you find it likely that scum would reveal to us their true country? Do you find it likely that scum would be from Goldoa?

Why wouldn't they?

As for flavor knowledge, I have absolutely none whatsoever so I dunno?

[Glork]

Tierce, you've gone quiet. What are your current thoughts on things and people?

[Tierce]

I'm juggling too many townreads.

2. Teleporting Speed Hippos (AurorusVox + PeregrineV hydra)

replacing AurorusVox pregame

3. Debonair Danny DiPietro

6. Gammagooey

7. Glork
9. Hinduragi

11. Katsuki

12. Lady Lambdadelta

13. Magister Ludi
17. Nikanor
22. singersigner

24. Tammy
25. Tierce
26. ToastyToast
29. danakillsu

replacing Zdenek D1

Of the remaining ones, I want to say that Kats and singer are also town for a few behavior tells, so my previous stance (I think I stated it) of "Nikanor/Gamma/Ludi lynch is a good thing" still stands.

[Glork]

Oh good, you also subsribe to the "I think there are eight billion investigative roles" theory. Fanfuckinggoddamntastic.

[Tierce]

NGL, have to reread and I didn't even think about this game today, so.

199 pages fml.

[Vi]

Vote Count XLVI:

Rhys
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-4) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, ToastyToast, Magister Ludi, danakillsu
Glork (L-7) ~

Gammagooey,

Katsuki
Gammagooey (L-7) ~ singersigner
Nikanor (L-7) ~ Hinduragi
ToastyToast (L-7) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro

Not Voting:

Teleporting Speed Hippos,

Debonair Danny DiPietro,

Nikanor, Tierce, Tammy, Glork, Gammagooey

--With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

78

[singersigner]

I literally have no idea what to do at this point. I am actively lurking because 1. this game if boring me right now, and 2. I'm not good at this whole "balance" thing, so speculation at this point is really who believes what role, which few people have decided.

I'm willing to lynch DDD or Gamma at this point.

[Glork]

Vote: DDD

Mise well.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Vote: DDD

Mise well.

Yep, when you've got the chance to thoughtlessly pitch the game away, how can you turn that down?

[singersigner]

What do you think of Gamma, Glork?

[Glork]

Reasonably protown. Could be scum with LLD, but meh.

[Glork]

Vote: DDD

Mise well.

Yep, when you've got the chance to thoughtlessly pitch the game away, how can you turn that down?

You know that what I'm doing is not thoughtless. If my train of thought happens to be wrong, I deserve to lose. But I think you're our best shot at hitting scum today.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Vote: DDD

Mise well.

Yep, when you've got the chance to thoughtlessly pitch the game away, how can you turn that down?

You know that what I'm doing is not thoughtless. If my train of thought happens to be wrong, I deserve to lose. But I think you're our best shot at hitting scum today.

Not buying it; you're playing outguess the mod and not even bothering to look at my play; that's thoughtless. Lessons from the Winvitational, ignored.

[Glork]

Your play indicates that you
A) Coasted through D1
B) Favored Oman heavily over Nexus D2
C) Suddenly surfaced during the flashwagon on you, refused to claim, then subsided into the background when the pressure was relieved
D) Claimed a role with zero confirmable results and "meh-at-best" targets


And yes, I'm speculating on setup here, too.

[Glork]

EBWOP: To clarify -- Favored an Oman-lynch heavily over a Nexus-lynch.

[Hinduragi]

I did A, B, half of D, and I'm town.

Plus this game's D1 was really just a bunch of nothing if I had to put a word to it. I don't know. I wasn't interested, even in the slightest, until I forced myself to start posting and becoming involved so I could help us get somewhere.

[Hinduragi]

In fact, if ANYONE should be getting flak for the Oman thing, if I remember right, it should be me. I was probably the largest supporter of the wagon.

[Glork]

In fact, if ANYONE should be getting flak for the Oman thing, if I remember right, it should be me. I was probably the largest supporter of the wagon.

Except the most prominent person who goes in the wrong direction isn't the most likely to be scum. You may have been the largest supporter (even Dana was heavily in favor of an Oman lynch), but there were DEFINITELY scums trying to swing the pendulum in that direction.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Your play indicates that you
A) Coasted through D1

It's what I do; go back and review our two games together or go review the other big theme games I've played; this isn't a scumtell, it's a playstyle tell.

B) Favored Oman heavily over Nexus D2

I mean in hindsight you're right, there's no defense of this. However, you, Hindu, and Tammy at the very least all had similar stances so it's really hard to buy this as an actual tell.

C) Suddenly surfaced during the flashwagon on you, refused to claim, then subsided into the background when the pressure was relieved

Would it have been the town thing to do to roll over and quietly go into the good night? And seriously, I’m scum for not claiming? Both of the scum who were lynched, claimed without any problems, fishing for information or counterclaims but somehow it’s the opposite reaction that’s scummy?

D) Claimed a role with zero confirmable results and "meh-at-best" targets

And yes, I'm speculating on setup here, too.

See, I read D and all I see is, "I don't believe your claim" but then one of your center points is lynching me or LLD because there can't be two country cops. And it’s bullshit because even ignoring the fact that I had confirmable results until a triple modkill, I had a confirmable result on you; you just decided to be an asshole and claim before I could and dismiss my result out of hand AND there’s the fact that I crumbed my N1, N2, and N4 results at the relevant times in the thread.

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Things you completely ignore or gloss over:
A) Day two when I bothered to figure out the SpyreX claim issue, as scum I would’ve ignored it and continued to defend him or ignored it and sold him out because why bother if I’m scum?
B) The idea of my day three reaction to my wagon being scum is just absolutely crazy to me; on what planet is that scum play?
.....a. I’m not part of team yells a lot; I can’t fake emotion that well but I think my town anger and snideness comes through pretty clearly here.
.....b. Why wouldn’t I make the country cop claim here when I was at L-1 as scum? It would’ve been so much easier and worst case scenario force an earlier counterclaim.
C) Day three (I think), when I proposed a plan to confirm Tammy as town using Hindu’s ability. That’s a brutal move for scum, especially if we’re playing the “scum want to kill country leaders” game.
D) Day five where I pump the brakes on Tierce voting for Benmage because I had a result on Benmage that I was leaning town on; again, it’s a little thing but why bother defending Benmage at all.
E) And the big one that no one has answered. As scum: why did I claim what I did today and why did I claim it today?
.....a. Surely you people don’t think I’m an idiot and only an idiot would assume that the claim of a second country cop would go over well. Why wouldn’t I fake a different claim to avoid bringing that world of pain down upon myself as scum?
.....b. Let’s assume I am an idiot to a degree and somehow despite a precedent of being pretty good at fake claiming scum I was completely stumped on possible fake claims, why would I claim today when there was no pressure for me to do so? If we’re as close to one side winning one way or another as most people think why wouldn’t I shut my stupid mouth and play for each extra day I could knowing that would help my side?

[Tierce]

Glork, the problem isn't that there might be four town investigative roles. The problem is what you're glossing over: that when you get down to scumhunting, DDDP's play doesn't make sense as scum. You're trying to sell this lynch on numbers, and that makes me extremely nervous. It's a Vi game, it's not required to make sense, and you're jumping on "things that aren't required to make sense" over "this behavior is likely to come from scum/town".

DDDP, you may have done this before, but--please show your crumbs.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDDP, you may have done this before, but--please show your crumbs.

SpyreX dialogue: 1738, 1747, 1751, 1756, and 1759

This is supposed to look like just taunting, but it's also me trying to encourage Tim to realize that I was a PR without having to claim it.

Why was I so sure I wasn't getting lynched? Because if worst came to worst I could claim and my wagon would dissolve

Tammy crumb

Confusion on how a no result was a functional guilty, especially when I got a N1 result for SpyreX

Already I'm articulating that I don't think non-red are innocents and red are scum with the confidence LLD displayed, something I actually had to consider given my role. Also note, I say, "I knew he [SpyreX] was from Gallia" in this post because I did.

Another time when I pushed the disassociation of country and town/scum. This wasn't something that I came up with today to justify two country cops, it's been my operating premise since I decided not to counterclaim LLD

And finally believing Benamge just like I did Tammy because my results confirmed what they claimed in terms of country