Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Questions for DDD: At the time Grey stoned me and then flipped Daein, did you find a scum-gambit between us to be likely? What advantage would stoning scumGlork have given over someone like TSH, LLD, etc., who also have relevant roles/abilities, aside from "town cred"?

Because from my perspective I had no idea the ability would stretch over night and I didn’t even think that it would effectively roleblock you which apparently it did? Which meant I was considering more the WIFOM potential than its use as an actual scum ability.

So why aren't you giving me your input as to who are scum, who to lynch, how to handle unresolved claims/abilities, etc.? You can say you don't want to appease me until you're blue in the face, but I don't see you working towards a solution. I just see you giving me answers you think I want to here, and nothing more.

It certainly doesn’t help that you’ve already fucking back-footed me and thrown me on the defensive. When the first words out of your mouth after my claim are, “I think there’s one scum left and either DDD is solo scum or LLD + one”. And then somehow you’re surprised when I shift into survival mode?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD's countrycop list is laughable. He's today's lynch.

In what sense is what I listed laughable?

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

All people who have already flipped, claimed, or been targeted by LLD?
You're a mafia country cop who's offering up ONE country that we don't already have~

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

All people who have already flipped, claimed, or been targeted by LLD?
You're a mafia country cop who's offering up ONE country that we don't already have~

I'm confused, you're seem to be arguing that my list is completely faked and then you go ahead and call me a (scum) country cop anyways; that doesn't logically follow.

Please people, don't turn off your brains and try to shift into easy mode when we're not there.

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Does anyone else want to claim Daein-town? Speak now or forever hold your tongues.

[Gammagooey]

hey guys remember what i said about reading the damn game.

ddd's result on benmage is glaringly obvious given his posts the day ben was modkilled.
spy and tammy results aren't nearly as obvious but they make a lot sense given what he was saying during those days.

if you think ddd is scum for other things then fine whatever but the "durf he's partially fakeclaiming" angle is blatantly retarded.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

What's confusing? You have a Country Cop power, but you're not giving us your real results.

[Tierce]

Glork, why do you think that, every other aspect aside, one of the nation cops is scum?

TSH are being unfair re: DDDP. Yes, we can't be sure that he's telling the truth, but harping on him because he claimed results on flipped targets that were modkilled is a bit much--if he's town, it's not his fault.

DDDP--why leave LLD alone with her nation cop claim for so long, even with the "are we sure we trust her?" line?


As for the SpyreX claim, meh--you didn't exactly need a result to make the green = Gallian connection, I'm proof of that.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Hmph. You mean "I believe Benmage, at least partially" (left deliciously ambiguous, but you could argue this refers to the blue colour)
I can see that BUT if he's scum faking country cop, he'd still believe Benmage, at least partially, right?

@Tierce, "unfair" is a strange choice. I find it suspicious that his claimed targets are basically already out there.
I could go for a toasty lynch today if there's anti-paranoia.

[Tierce]

ISO'd a bit. I am not voting anyone who had that GreyICE-DDDP interaction.


And yes, I call it unfair--three players were modkilled yesterday, his reasoning makes sense as town, it's not like you would call a tracker scum if all their tracker targets match up with information already provided except a last secret one, so it seems a lot of confirmation bias on your end.

[AurorusVox]

Do you think scum wouldn't capitalise on getting three flips in one go?
We obv disagree so don't answer that.

But before today I thought DDD was probTown enough to put our protect there, so I don't really see how this is confirmation bias >_>

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Do you think scum wouldn't capitalise on getting three flips in one go?
We obv disagree so don't answer that.

But before today I thought DDD was probTown enough to put our protect there, so I don't really see how this is confirmation bias >_>

Hipperpderp

[Tierce]

Scum would capitalize on it, sure, but it's perfectly viable coming from

town

too. That's my point--you are seeing scum motivation where there's likely to be none, you're wearing tinted glasses under that eyepatch, Pirate Lemon Hippo.


Who was it that didn't really trust TSH? You're frigging ridiculous. They would have killed Alchemist at the first opportunity and claimed "we were roleblocked" or "our power is gone!" then, not now. They CC'd Nexus. Their bluff was magnificent, no one else claimed a RB on them or a protect on Alchemist, not trusting the Hippos of Love is silly. They are town, dana is town, the rest of you are up for debate.

Now, excuse me--but we're missing a kill, I think? We got the Alchemist-blocked-GreyICE one, but there is at least one other night with a missing kill IIRC.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Hmph. You mean "I believe Benmage, at least partially" (left deliciously ambiguous, but you could argue this refers to the blue colour)
I can see that BUT if he's scum faking country cop, he'd still believe Benmage, at least partially, right?

Right and I didn't say basically the exact same thing about Tammy on D3 when her claim matched the results I got for her. Oh wait, I did.

As for the SpyreX claim, meh--you didn't exactly need a result to make the green = Gallian connection, I'm proof of that.

True enough, but I think if you go back and look at my posting in that time period given my claim things make sense.

Basically my N1, N2, and N4 results are matched to things I said in thread, my N3 investigation makes sense in terms of who I would investigate, my N5 investigation has been authenticated by Glork (though he's unduly skeptical) and I admit I messed up N6. Like Gamma said, if you want to argue I’m a scum country cop on other grounds you’re wrong but go for it but the idea that I’ve lied about my ability at all is sheer nonsense.

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Tierce, remember this infographic



I found the idea of two town country cops plausible with lots of unknowns still in play when there were lots of possible false positives and negative as an option and the fact that Vi isn’t afraid to design against site meta. Furthermore, if LLD got killed that would’ve solved the problem for me and I figured there was little to no chance of me dying during the night so I could always claim later.

[Tierce]

the idea that I’ve lied about my ability at all

Uhm. Did I do this?

Aaanyway

naptimes.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

the idea that I’ve lied about my ability at all

Uhm. Did I do this?

No, I was just using your comment as a jumping off point to lecture TSH, et al.

[Teleporting Speed Hippos]

Lecture received.
Aaaand actually, 2x Town Country Cops makes sense if LSD is a miller.
Because as I said earlier, cop-miller is a little strange without another cop.

[Hinduragi]

The only thing I learned from this conversation is that arrow above Vi on that infographic is hilarious with regards to the fact it basically tells me "You are here".

Vote: Nikanor

I really want to see this.

Also, if I am going to die or am in danger of it today, I would like it to be thrown out there. At least then I know how I should be playing, what I should be doing, etc. I've already decided how I want to go out in this game.

[ToastyToast]

Toasty can also die for being no-kill-blocked and useless (I don't care about modkills, you should submit at the start of the day and change if necessary).

I would've blocked Benmage, so it wouldn't matter anyways.

@Glork: Are your DDD/me suspicions based entirely on my abilities?

@Hindu: the fact that you are voting someone other than two claimed country cops is blegh. Even if you think Nika is scum, would it not make more sense to clear this obvious dilemma? Do you think two country cops on town side is at all likely?

Also, I am okay with Glork's plan. Will put power on now so no one fucks up.

[ToastyToast]

Oh.

Vote:DDD

[ToastyToast]

I found the idea of two town country cops plausible with lots of unknowns still in play when there were lots of possible false positives and negative as an option and the fact that Vi isn’t afraid to design against site meta. Furthermore, if LLD got killed that would’ve solved the problem for me and I figured there was little to no chance of me dying during the night so I could always claim later.

Sorry for triple post.
This is a game that involves scum targetting/killing specific people/roles. So yeah, there could be two country cops on town side but that makes no sense if this is a scum win condition. I have a hard time believing Vi would be like "derp teh scum need to know countries so imma give two country cops to town but not to scum lololol." And yeah, there's not going to be three country cops either.

[Katsuki]

Neighorizer rb + normal rb isn't much different from 2 country cops... in fact, it's worse in a sense.

Sigh this game will probably become much clearer once we whittle down.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lecture received.
Aaaand actually, 2x Town Country Cops makes sense if LSD is a miller.
Because as I said earlier, cop-miller is a little strange without another cop.

You don't get to call me LSD ;_;.

Also, I'm ok with any plan involving a DDD lynch.

[Katsuki]

LSD is a great name for you really

[singersigner]

We're not exactly sure that we can afford to whittle that much more down?

[Hinduragi]

I'd rather see what happens with one more night with our country cops and go for someone I don't want in this game rather than gamble on the one we know is going to die out of the two anyways.