Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Tierce]

Ben. even if he flips town, I want a frigging idiot who flips town with a TRACKER ROLE to learn that you don't do crap on 'gut' in the middle of nowhere without even reading the thread. This dies today. If it flips scum, great. If it flips town, we move on.

Well thats something you're going to have to work on as an individual player.

Otherwise you will consistently lynch retardation. I did for a long time. Than I found that more often than not complete bewilderment on my part from someones illogical actions, stem from them being town. I can't fathom sometimes the actions they do.... but they flip town 9/10 times.

Its frustration, and requires a very carefully attuned eye.

The other hardest thing I still continue to struggle with when town, is having someone imo deadset as scum between the crosshairs etc, for a plethora of genuinly good sound reasoning. But than to have that "oh fuck" epiphany that they are town... accepting that epiphany and reverting all your hard work pushing them as scum. Thats the toughest.

You seem to be torn by a combo of these two difficult obstacles.

I know: sadly,

lynching stupid

doesn't necessarily mean

lynching scum

. But refer to 23. If UberNinja flips town, obviously I'm going to review my reads, but that happens with anyone who flips town when I expect them to flip scum. I know I've been wrong plenty of times, me-town lynches scum 3/10 times--don't worry, I can deal with the bleak epiphany. But I don't want this guy alive; I believe he is scum, and IF he is town, he is being detrimental and hindering us because his play is completely subpar and he is going to have to die sooner or later.

I used to whiteknight poor play via those players' equally poor town meta. But that only encourages the proliferation of poor play AND, more importantly, ensures that bad town players will be left alive until LyLo, where they will screw town over by not caring who they vote or getting mislynched themselves. I'm done with that. If it's scummy, lynch it. If it's trying to use terrible town meta as a justification for terrible play in present game, lynch it. Not doing so encourages playing poorly in all town games to create 'viable' 'shitty town' scum meta.

[Benmage]

Not doing so encourages playing poorly in all town games to create 'viable' 'shitty town' scum meta.

Players and mods need to not be pussys and be more proactive in their blacklisting.

I have no patience for willful poor play.

-Beginners are one thing. Those trying to get better, is the nature of the game. People who don't respect the game, should have their own section. Put the allcapers flakers trolls and lurkers in the lot.

[Benmage]

I dont want to encourage shit play. But if I lynched it everytime, thats all I'd be lynching.

Repeat offenders etc, is something mods need to address. There are several players I personally avoid, and I know of tons of people who avoid playing with eachother. Shit I think there's alot who avoid me .

ANYWAYS
/endrant

Lets lynch him and HOPE I AM WRONG AND U ARE RIGHT!!!! (cause shit that happens too )

[Tierce]

*coughBBmollaWeatherMafiacough*

One of the reasons I had originally signed up as a replacement was to avoid certain players. But the vig never shoots them. >.>
I'm not lynching UberNinja because he's a shitty player. I'm lynching him because I believe he is scum.

As an added bonus, if

he flips town, we will still have 1) results 2) wagons 3) a town more focused on finding scum.
And that's all I could ask for from this lynch.

[Glork]

Glork, I'm a little perplexed that you have a scum read on me.

That means you actually think I'm defending my scumbuddy UN, from almost certain death... this is correct?

I thought you were asking for a top three,

if not UN

-- meaning, if UN were to flip town.

Plus, if you two are the only two left, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you defended him.




And yes, I absolutely favor policy lynches when the town can afford to do so. Even moreso when I think that the person I want to policy lynch is scum regardless.

[Glork]

ebwop: here ben: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... h#p3981354

[Benmage]

Ahhh so you think I'm doing some

potential

white-knighting.

And, what did DDD claim?

[Magister Ludi]

Just got internet access. Checking in.

[Katsuki]

Kats deserves rope/bullets far more tham Gamma.

I'd love to hear as to why you think I'm scum. Considering that the likelihood of YOU being scum is far higher than me given both how Nexus interacted with me AND how you reacted during the entirety of NEXUSGATE.

[Katsuki]

I'm town Kats. Remember all the times you knew knew knew I was town but you voted me anyway?

This is one of those times.

I don't think I've ever had one of those moments before?

Maybeeeeee in [redacted], but I don't recall voting you there anyways (if I did it was because you were being a terribad poster).

[Magister Ludi]

Well, after TSH explains what they were doing last night, i'll vote UN

[Glork]

Kats deserves rope/bullets far more tham Gamma.

I'd love to hear as to why you think I'm scum. Considering that the likelihood of YOU being scum is far higher than me given both how Nexus interacted with me AND how you reacted during the entirety of NEXUSGATE.

WHOA
WHOA
WHOA.

HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE RIGHT HERE.

"given how Nexus interacted with me"?

Fucking.

Are you SHITTING me?


Let's look at the

ENTIRETY

of Nexus' interactions with Katsuki, guys. Quick. Somebody ISO Nexus and ctrl+f on "kats"... WHAT DO WE FIND?

Exactly TWO mentions.

unvote

Obviously noone else fancies an Alchemist lynch.

Katsuki, stop trying to fake lack of care by giving stupid "hilarious" answers to GI's question.

Also delayed answer to Katsuki's question.

I think you're faking care to look like you're actually trying to be busy and focus on the game. I'd say it's a bit scummy but not enough to actually be scum.

Dana: I'm still convinced Alchemist is scum, but I need to re-read him. TSH would also be a good lynch candidate.

And what do those TWO MENTIONS of Katuski amount to?

"Scummy, but not enough to actually be scum"

Weak distancing!





wtg, Kats. Can't bullshit your way through this one.

[Glork]

FoS: Katsuki

LLD, investigate this joker tonight so we can turbolynch him tomorrow.

[Katsuki]

Kats deserves rope/bullets far more tham Gamma.

I'd love to hear as to why you think I'm scum. Considering that the likelihood of YOU being scum is far higher than me given both how Nexus interacted with me AND how you reacted during the entirety of NEXUSGATE.

WHOA
WHOA
WHOA.

HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE RIGHT HERE.

"given how Nexus interacted with me"?

Fucking.

Are you SHITTING me?


Let's look at the

ENTIRETY

of Nexus' interactions with Katsuki, guys. Quick. Somebody ISO Nexus and ctrl+f on "kats"... WHAT DO WE FIND?

Exactly TWO mentions.

unvote

Obviously noone else fancies an Alchemist lynch.

Katsuki, stop trying to fake lack of care by giving stupid "hilarious" answers to GI's question.

Also delayed answer to Katsuki's question.

I think you're faking care to look like you're actually trying to be busy and focus on the game. I'd say it's a bit scummy but not enough to actually be scum.

Dana: I'm still convinced Alchemist is scum, but I need to re-read him. TSH would also be a good lynch candidate.

And what do those TWO MENTIONS of Katuski amount to?

"Scummy, but not enough to actually be scum"

Weak distancing!





wtg, Kats. Can't bullshit your way through this one.

trololol

bullshiting?

Except I called Nexus out on it for being scum long before he got lynched, aka D1.
Then you can look up all my reasoning D2 as to WHY nexus should be lynched regardless of his claim.

Meanwhile, what do you do?
HEY GUIZ NEXUS LYNCH IS BAD

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HER PLAY DESPITE HOW IT SCREAMS SCUM SHE CLAIM PR KEEP HER ALIVE

CUZ I WANT MA OMAN MISLYNCH PRETTY PWEASE?
It's a pity I have to settle for a UN lynch rather than yours because you're that mystery scumread of mine who I doubted would be the viable to UN.

[Katsuki]

Anyone could easily read my ISO on the matter it's not hard.

GLORK IS FUCKING SCUM except that I doubt anyone will listen to me because.
Meh calling it now.
Enjoy being hated my votes not moving from you tomorrow doubly so if UN flips town.

[ToastyToast]

unvote:vote:UN

yeah, he's just digging himself into a hole at this point.

L-1

[Vi]

Mini Vote Count (36):

Leanne
UberNinja (L-1) ~ Glork, Tierce, kanyeknowsbest, Lady Lambdadelta, Alchemist, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Gammagooey, Katsuki, Benmage, ToastyToast
Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-10) ~ danakillsu
Tierce (L-10) ~ UberNinja

Alchemist (L-11) ~

ToastyToast

Not Voting:

Teleporting Speed Hippos, Magister Ludi, Nikanor, Rhinox, singersigner, Tammy, GreyICE, Hinduragi

--With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

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[UberNinja]

Well, singer, I give you the hammer.

[Rhinox]

Hi I'm back from V/LA.

Read today and UN lynch seems pretty straightforward. My vote would be hammer now though, seems kinda lame to show up just in time to hammer.

[Hinduragi]

Vote: UN

TSH can fakeclaim their results from N3 and N4 tomorrow since they can't understand how promptly this day needed to go by.

[danakillsu]

Dana, did you target anyone last night? I don't want a name, just a yes/no.

You're going to have to give me a reason for this. I'm the one who's clear here, and I don't want to say anything about my role unless there's a good reason to.

I'll vote him. I like proving myself right. Plus noone shown a viable alternate, and so twiddling here aint productive. I'd rather see the lot of you calling for his head to drop your jaws tomorrow.

I've shown a viable alternative. It's called DDD. That same person where you don't understand how the wagon fell apart.


Aaaaand now I'm done reading. WHY ON EARTH DID WE JUST LYNCH SOMEONE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AGREED MUST BE TOWN??? Even if he's scum it's just a miracle. You guys still suck. -___-

[Tierce]

A bunch of people agreed he must be scum, and the evidence does point a lot more to him being scum than being town.

Number Six, we need you.

[Alchemist]

A bunch of people agreed he must be scum, and the evidence does point a lot more to him being scum than being town.

Number Six, we need you.

it honestly sounds like you know he's town

[Tierce]

It sounds like you can't deal with people being obvtown from D1. Just shut up. Yes, I've been riding this 'mislynch' ever since I said I wanted to put a bullet through his head on D1, ever since he claimed track results that make no sense for town, and so on and so forth.

[Glork]

Kats: I never joined te Oman wagon, do your claim that I wanted an "Oman mislynch" (interesting assumption that he is torn btw) is a complete misrepresentation. Plus, I'd really like to know how a middling stance on a guy (Nexus) who was obviously not going to live more than another day would make sense coming from Glorkscum. You've obviously not seen me play as scum if you think I wouldn't have bused Nexus into the ground. I am so quick to turn on deadweight it's not even funny.

Dana: Irrelevant now, since UN is dead. I was thinking if Spy never targeted N2, and you never targeted N3, maybe that's why he wasn't getting results. I know Tierce sticks to the "three results" theory like glue, but there's no reason Vi couldn't have made a change here.

Tierce and I are gladly taking responsibility for this lynch. If he flips town, you're more than welcome to "blame" us.