Mini #355- Starcraft Mafia, Over

[Romanus]

Cool, I get the first post. I am going to

VOTE: Colonel Kurtz

because there should only be one reference to Apocolypse Now in this game, and my Avatar should be it.

[Romanus]

Good to see you again, Patrick

[Romanus]

Ameliaslay wrote:
bandwagon? How prepostorous.... vote:MBF


Notice how Ameliaslay doesn't capitalize the first word of her sentence? Notice how she mispells "preposterous"? See how she doesn't capitalize "Vote"? Are you paying attention to the fact that she didn't put a space in between the colon and my name, which she couldn't bother to spell out?

Obviously, she's in a rush to get me lynched.

Very good points. This is especially true when you consider that there should be two spaces between the colon and your name.

[Romanus]

and we were so close to our first bandwagon.

[Romanus]

unvote; VOTE: AniX

for being a smart ass. Not that that is a bad thing mind you, but that is why I voted for you.

[Romanus]

A little early for a bandwagon don't you think? lol

It is never too early for a bandwagon.
Too early for a lynch, definitely, but not a wagon.

Saddle up.

[Romanus]

as opposed to rationally random.

[Romanus]

Patrick, do you wish to justify your vote on me, since we are kinda past the random stage? It's ok if you don't, I was just wondering.

[Romanus]

Patrick and Spectrumvoid -- I wish I could get mad at you for the way you are voting, but hey, I guess when you get burned, its hard to get over.

I will say this, and I know it means next to nothing, but here goes:

If I was that good as a mafia in that game (100mph), just think how good I could be working for the town, which I am in this case. This is not a role claim, just a good guy claim. Keep an eye on me, yes. I expect nothing less, but don't dismiss a player that you know can do you some good if he is on your side, and this time I am.

Again, I know this means nothing, but just wanted to say it anyway.

[Romanus]

Ok, now who is taking all of this too seriously. I was just poking at Patrick and Spectrum because of the last game we played.

And yes, that post came off a little too seriously. Sorry, how about this:

Patrick and Spectrumvoid: I understand you guys being scared of me and all. I mean, I would be too if I had just been taken to school by a noob. Who can blame you for trying to get me out of this game ASAP? 8)

[Romanus]

Your sure that myself and spectrumvoid are town?

Absolutely Not!

[Romanus]

That is a fine point Patrick.

Noted.

[Romanus]

Now who is taking things too seriously?

[Romanus]

Alright, I kinda overreacted to the vote. The real reason I reacted at all was because of who the two initial votes were. And Rosso, don't think that you can speak for the entire town. Just because you don't want to hear about other game doesn't mean someone will or should get lynched for it. I always find scummy, the behavior that claims to control the entire town, a statement like this:

Plz dont bring your other shitty games up or face a daykill, kthx.

Claiming to have the power of the entire town is presumptuous at best, scummy at worst.
Quite frankly, I am not concerned about the wagon that has formed on me. I rather enjoy the spotlight.

Right now, my biggest suspect is Rosso because he is trying to run the town, telling people what to do. It is a way to make people inherently believe you are town. Call it OMGUS if you like, but since I am good guy and Rosso is the one who is really driving this wagon, that equals scummy to me, at least right now.

unvote; VOTE: Rosso Carne

[Romanus]

I actually agree with Rosso on this one, lets see who is jumping on this wagon, and if they actually have reasons of their own. Lumos has been very unimpressive in actually coming up with reasons. Others seemed to have gotten on this wagon without much effort.

Does noone else see that Rosso is ruling this town. Also, Rosso, it is a lot easier for scum to duck and let you take the brunt when you pull this. They don't have to push for a lynch, you are doing their work for them. Oh wait, no, damn, I'm sorry, that's stupid because Rosso is scum, or at least scummy.

[Romanus]

And lumos, the fact that you even bring up Rosso ruling this town after doing little more than exactly what he told you to do is laughable.

[Romanus]

CTD -- that is the best post I have heard yet. Let's see what happens if I

UNVOTE

[Romanus]

Where is Anix?

[Romanus]

Oh, sorry, I forgot. Silly me.

[Romanus]

Again, I am sorry, I must have lost my mind for a second there. Please don't hit me with my own pimp. Whatever the hell that means.

[Romanus]

Lumos, you can't prove a negative. Also, I can't prove I am a good guy either. At least not right now. It is day one, no one can prove anything.

And don't play that damn Newbie card either.

And what is all of this about lynching. You only have one vote on you and it isn't even from me. Wow, talk about overreacting.

Also, good job in avoiding actually coming up with a reason to lynch me and making it my job to prove my innocence without any real questions I can answer to. That was pretty good.

Oh, and also

VOTE: Lumos

[Romanus]

@Rosso - well done.

[Romanus]

I think the reason that me and Rosso seem so buddy buddy is because we just realized each other's playstyle and instead of butting heads to the detrement of the town, we are working together, for the town to win. Of course, all of this is based on an assumption of both of our's innocence. If lumos turns up scum, then this game is in the bag, if not, I guess both me and Rosso have some splaining to do. Right now, I am really ok with that.

[Romanus]

Patrick, here is the only 2 games that I am a "known" townie. Not much, but enjoy:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3662

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... t+football

the second one I replaced in. I think this is all of them, I haven't been playing all that long. Just thought I would help.

[Romanus]

Scum sit on sidelines

[Romanus]

Otherwise I quit, hurry up and lynch me already, this game's entertainment has worn out

Baby, no one is dying to keep you in a game you don't want to be in, if you can't take it, then you shouldn't play at all. We are all just playing a game, some appear to take it more seriously while others appear to be very laid back, but this is all just appearances. If you are gonna quit, quit. Don't ruin this game by being a bad player.

Unless, of course this is just a tactic. Hmmmm. It is a bad town tactic. But I do believe that it is a town tactic. I believe we should search elsewhere, just not sure where. I do not want to lych a townie simply because they deserve it, been there, saw that, and I won because of it, of course I was scum in that game (right patrick, spectrumvoid). I believe lumos is town, bad town, but town, therefore:

UNVOTE

[Romanus]

I don't like what Kurtz has done here, coming in from nowhere and attacking someone for lurking. Did anyone else notice that. He actually came in and attacked Anix for lurking, with his first post in, umm, oh yeah, that was his first post on page 6. Then gives some pitiful excuse for not posting. puh- leez. Don't condemn a man with the very thing you are more guilty of than him.

VOTE: Colonel Kurtz

[Romanus]

Patrick can be a little demanding.

[Romanus]

Kurtz, we a little high strung. Calm down a bit man, you have made a total of two posts and done no more than yell at two people about what they are doing rather than actually contributing. So, how about you not tell people how to play the game, criticize what they do as scummy or not, and vote accordingly. You have only posted twice and you are the most scummy to me, more so with the second post than the first.


(I fully expect to be attacked by Kurtz for this post)

[Romanus]

Kurtz -- I pretty much agree with your stand on Lumos except that no matter what, no matter how she play etc, if she is town, it is a bad idea to lynch her. Bad play is usually not scummy. I feel she has played badly, but is not scum. Newbies have to learn too. It may be aggrivating but it must be tolerated in order for the town to win.

Oh, and I am not defending Anix, I'm attacking you, there is a big difference.

[Romanus]

Spectrum -- important to distinguish between irritated and scummy.

[Romanus]

And why again, dear MBF, am I scum? Oh, and one cannot be very much scum or very little scum, its an all or nothing thing. One could be very scummy, or a little scummy.

Just like to know why you think the way you do, that is all.

Also, still don't like Lumos for the lynch.

[Romanus]

Yes, from past experience she strikes me as a townie that is in a bad situation, played it badly, and really can't come out from under it.

As far as MBF, he is running at me pretty hard, just want to know why. He strikes me as town as well, so not sure why he is running at me, especially since I know I am a good guy.

[Romanus]

MBF and everyone for that matter, I have my hunches, I have my style as well. And get off the whole Lumos thing, I have not only backed off but also stated why, and others agree. Yes, I am aligning myself with certain players, how is that scummy. I also stated that I think you are not scummy, how is that scummy? Buddying up my ass. I'm much smarter than that crap. The point is that I'm not worried about the votes on me, I like to know why they are there, though. Also, the other reason I think MBF is town has something to do with him being after me. Weird, I know, but hey that is the way it is.

MBF all I can say is that you are barking up the wrong tree.

Also, I don't like Rogue 2's last post. Remind of an unvote then attacks the guy he unvoted. Casts a wide net of suspicion, runs to my rescue, pointing at lurkers. Not unlike a fireworks show where everybody's eyes are everywhere but on the guy lighting the fuse. But not me

UNVOTE; VOTE:Rogue two

[Romanus]

The specific reason that I have a feeling that MBF is town is due to the episode when he tried to "fake lynch" anix. That struck me as a very interesting episode, which started the multiple vote thing. I have made a judgement based on that episode and what has followed has been in line with that judgement.

I am playing this game somewhat aggressively, and taking some chances. We'll see if it pans out.

Patrick, I am also well aware of the methods I used in another game. The problem is that I am going to use the same tactics no matter what my role is, to some degree. I know you are going to be suspicious of me and keep an eye on me, that is fine, just don't get too trigger happy.

I hope that satisfies your demands, Patrick.

[Romanus]

It is a 'fake lynch' because he really didn't have enough votes to be lynched but it was made to look like a lynch.

I judged from that incident that MBF is likely townie, I can't necessarily explain it, sorry.

Lumos isn't lynched yet because she is a townie.

[Romanus]

No, I have no outside information to go on, this is all speculation.

Look, I agree that my behavior may seem weird, strange, even erratic, but none of this is scummy. I ask you to go back and read what has been going on and judge if you think I am simply being weird, or whether I am being scummy.

Here comes the WIFOM:
Would a scum put on a show like this, doing admittedly strange things, attacking Lumos then defending her, saying that the guy leading the charge against him is most likely town. Like I said, WIFOM, but there it is anyway.

Also, I am not trying to duck and hide from any of this. I would say that my behavior has caused more real game discussion than anyone else. This is one of the main reasons for acting the way I am.

Question: MBF, how do you deal with the fact that the guy you are riding is "buddying up" to you? How does everyone else feel about it?

Here is the other great thing, look at my first wagon, then the Lumos wagon, now my wagon again. Now, does that give us some good info or not. Also, consider them with either me or Lumos being scum, then neither of us being scum, and both of us being scum. What does this reveal? Does it give any hints?
Regardless on whether I am lynched or not, there is information, valuable day one info that helps power roles determine what to do.

Say whatever you will, my behavior has been good for the town.

[Romanus]

Wrong, you already voted for me. You can't vote me again. The answer is how do you react. I am examining, as should everyone, how people react to things. Especially when they think they are not being examined.

[Romanus]

that's better

[Romanus]

I never claimed that my reasons for believing MBF or Lumos were strong.

If I simply accused people and didn't use my vote then I could be accused of pointing fingers but not commiting myself.

Oh, and I voted for Kurtz at the very beginning too, don't forget that one.

Look, I am not really interested in defending my behavior, see it the way you wish to see it. You think its scummy, well, what can I say, I can't go back and change what I have said, nor do I wish to. I think what I have do so far has helped the town, and for that I will not apologize. I am doing what I think is best for the town. If you judge it is scummy, the most scummy thus far, then vote that way.

I am pushing, pushing hard so that the town may win. My motives are clean. I believe my death does less good then staying alive, but my death will also have its benefits. I do not wish to die, I will do all I can to prevent it.

Also, it is posts like the one above like CrashTextDummie that I do what I am doing. That is a scummy post if I ever saw one.

[Romanus]

Please let me know if it comes down to me role-claiming. I never wish to claim, but if it is necessary, I don't see it being a problem, and could allow us to move to better targets. Suffice to say that with my role, it would be better to wait till at least tomorrow to lynch me.

[Romanus]

This role was not disclosed at the beginning, which is very good info for the town to know. I don't think my role is the only undisclosed role either.

[Romanus]

Whatever dude, your opinion is meaning less and less to me. I am trying to help the town, believe whatever the hell you want to.

All I'm asking for is a bit of trust for one day. One day does nothing for scum, they need the whole game, give me one night, and lets talk tomorrow.

[Romanus]

@Rosso -- did I do that? If I did it was inadvertant, I will give no opinion on what the doctor should do, that is up to them.

[Romanus]

@Rosso -- I found it, and it was unintentional.

[Romanus]

UNVOTE; VOTE: ANIX

[Romanus]

Why is Lumos still on my back? Unless I missed a vacation notice, this is the second really scummy thing she is doing.

[Romanus]

I have explained all my votes. In fact one vote hop was off of you, which you didn't like. The only I have not explained is my Anix vote. Which, since I am fairly sure I won't be lynched today, and am pretty sure that anix is scum, I don't feel the need to comment on.

You might not like it, but hey, I don't really care what you like since you have been the scummiest acting person in this game.

[Romanus]

Hey, I got a new idea, since my joining the Anix wagon was just that, joining the wagon. I just pretty much followed MBF. Now I am going to go after someone else who is coming off scummy, at least I got vibes on her last post:

UNVOTE; VOTE: Spectrumvoid

Patrick, I just believe that I can really help the town.

[Romanus]

Ummmm, and I'm not just following Patrick on this one
I swear.

[Romanus]

Rosso -- Why are you stuck on Lumos?

[Romanus]

Lumos, seriously, don't say stuff like that. Please, unless of course you are scum, because you sound scummier everytime you post.
The statement above is the most ridiculous thing I have seen since Scalebane claimed SK in Robotics.
Do you have some sort of post restriction that says you have to post scummy content, really, seriously.

Rosso,

Rosso -- Why are you stuck on Lumos?

nevermind

[Romanus]

Kurtz --- Your behavior in this game has become more detrimental, in my opinion, than Anix. You are full of emotion, and that emotion is rage, lashing out at whoever draws your ire when you read the thread.

If I need correction in my posts, for breaking a rule, the mod will handle it, not you. You make me want to mention another game in progress just to piss you off. However, I am comforted by the fact that this post will be enough to draw your ire. You are helping no one with your tirades, at least not helping the town.

You don't like how Anix is playing because it does nothing for the town, well he is more helpful right now than you. Now, you have a decision to make, be worse for the town than the person you are accusing of being unhelpful, or don't. The former makes you a hipocrite, the latter makes you reasonable.

I'm gonna place my bet on the former. Anybody else want to bet, I'll give odds.

[Romanus]

Nicely done Kurtz.

*claps*

[Romanus]

Oh what Oh what is a town to do when all of these people insist on acting more and more scummy. I swear there has got to be some sort of post restriction that demands they post more and more scummy posts.

[Romanus]

You said in your post, something to the effect that you were going with the flow, just a little faster than most of the flow though. As not to draw too much attention.

[Romanus]

So I get to be the towny who's kept alive till the very end, as an easy lynch for when spectrum has killed almost everyone else...

Why is this scummy? It is never a good idea to speak as if you know the person attacking you is scum. As if it is some sort of fact. Means you aren't open to the possibility of them being town. Anti-town behavior.

Hope that helps.

[Romanus]

I still believe you are not scum. I don't want you lynched at all at this point. That is why I am begging you to stop acting scummy. One of your posts is going to push me over the edge soon, but for now, I still don't believe you are scum.

Its almost like you want to get lynched.

[Romanus]

UNVOTE

VOTE: Rogue_two

I'm not giving a reason for this vote at the moment, due to time restrictions and other reasons. Reason for now is gut feeling, more later.

[Romanus]

Romanus: your reasons please?

Are you trying to deflect attention to me. I told you I had time constraints. I mean, really, look how much I have posted and how much I do post.

Now, doing a reread of the last few pages my gut no longer says Rogue Two. There are a few people that I want to hear from. I could go a number of ways right now. Also, I want Elias to have a chance to get into the flow.

UNVOTE

[Romanus]

At this point, I would be happy with a spectrumvoid or Kurtz lynch. This day has gone on for a while, but we haven't heard much from Elias/max. The Elias comment/vote does reek of scumminess, but he could also just be legitimately afraid of lynching someone. I want to hear Elias answer for this, as it appears others do as well.

So FOS Elias.

[Romanus]

Elias, I am not blaming you for anything, just want to make sure you keep contributing, which you are, so, no problems here.

[Romanus]

rogue_two -- You are bordering on fishing. It is quite obvious what is going on here, just let it lie.

[Romanus]

Oh, and I really haven't figured out all the pros and cons on fully claiming or not.

It is possible that I could be confirmed tonight, but not necessarily. However, certain things could happen that would make it essential that I fully claim tomorrow. If it is necessary, and it could be pretty obvious, then I will claim. The doctor could make things interesting, but I am not dictating that I need protection. The doctor should make that choice on their own. My death tonight, could lead to some good info, but maybe not, so it is ok to not protect me. I am not essential, there are much better power roles than mine, like those indicated at the beginning. Any other questions may be answered without really claiming. I will make that judgement.

I hope this is satisfactory for now.

[Romanus]

This may be a first, but I find it hard to disagree with Kurtz. The only thing I can add as to why we maybe shouldn't lynch spectrumvoid is because I believe she is a townie, also, we might want a claim. This post must be examined, and right now, it seems scummier now, than it did when I first read it. In fact all of these should be examined. Make up your own mind, I offer no further commentary.

Well, instead of Lumos, I'd rather lynch somebody who doesn't contribute to the game at all. See, after we had some votes on Anix, he talked. The gambit worked.

I'm not trying to just lynch people who are unhelpful. I'm trying to lynch people whom I think we will get very little or no information from. Who would you rather have in endgame or lynch-or-lose, Lumos or Anix? I'd rather keep Lumos, since we can always lynch her later. It'll be easier to decide to lynch her then since she's already emitted some scummy vibes. (Notice I said VIBES, nope, it isn't definite.)

With that said, of course I'm willing to vote Lumos if the spike on my scum radar goes up.

I don't understand what was scummy about that post... I meant that since Lumos only seemed a little scummy, we should go after someone who seems more scummy. And go after her later when we've gotten rid of the more scummy person, or people who do not contribute at all. Did I confuse anyone?

I'm not sure if this is a valid defence, but if I was scum, wouldn't I have pushed for Lumos's lynch, instead of away from it?

Anix: Yes... You rock and everything... so your defence is if you survive till endgame, you'll come up with some great theory and we'll win. I see one major hole: you may die before endgame. Then you won't have helped anyone at all. What kind of mafia player are you anyway, if you just lurk or post comments that do not tell us what you think of the players and the game? I think most mods have 'please contribute/participate' or something in the rules.

Black-and-white thoughts about lumos: I didn't say I knew she was DEFINITELY scummy (which is what many people seem to be thinking I said). I said she might have done some things that set off a LITTLE scummy vibes. So I wanted to shift the focus to someone more experienced, poke a couple of them to see who pinged on my scummy radar... I don't know whether I'm not being clear or no one's understanding me. Oh well. I guess I have to rethink this theory of mine. I tried it out in an IRC game earlier and everyone said it was a good idea. Hm...

Seems like no one wants to lynch Anix. And my vote on him is going nowhere. I guess I'll just have to remind myself not to play in the same game as Anix next time before I get so irritated by his 'I'm so good I'll save everybody in endgame' theory.

Colonel Kurtz, you were like so impassioned. Giving that 'I'm royally pissed' at Anix speech a few posts above this... And then you say you think I'm scummy and vote me. Either you're supertemperamental/having some kind of mood swing or the passionate Anix speech was a lie.

Reason for voting: Anix bandwagon is going nowhere, I don't like his vote on me, and to save my own skin. unvote, vote Colonel Kurtz

To clarify: the 'his' in my last sentence refers to Kurtz, not Anix.

Oh crap. Now I understand where the 'spectrumvoid is scummy' thing is coming from. **** (mutters expletives) I was scummy. Crap. I'm probably irredeemable... Seriously, I was like scratching my head trying to figure out why everyone suddenly thought I was scummy, when I thought I said something that made sense.

I see Lumos doing the same thing I did aka honest mistake but making herself seem scummy. Advice to lumos: stop digging yourself into a hole like I did.

I guess I'm the lynch for today. Even if you guys decide not to lynch me today, I'll always be under suspicion for this matter. *sigh* Well, at least I learnt something really important from this game.

Rogue_Two: Basically it's because I know that I've somehow managed to make a big mistake. Even though I swear I really didn't know that there was something wrong with my suggestion, now that I've figured it out, if someone else did the same thing I did, I'd have pushed very hard for him to be lynched. Also from a townie's viewpoint, it might be advantageous to lynch me, because you'll be able to see who hopped onto my bandwagon and take a closer look at what they said to decide if they're scum.

I'll do a reread and post tomorrow my views on who I think are scummy, so I'll still contribute to this game.

Romanus there you go again with the rogue-investigatorish behaviour.

I did a reread like I promised. Top 2 on my scum radar: Romanus, Lumos.

I still stand by what I believe, ie: that Lumos is scum. I'll attempt to rectify my idiocy by unvoting, vote lumos

Hey guys, you might want to think of checking out other games Romanus is playing currently. He likes to vote hop, accuse random people etc, but according to him, it's because he likes to carry out his own investigations. I'm not too sure what to think of that yet.

Don't modkill him. Maybe you could ask some other mods to replace temporarily?

Romanus: your reasons please?

HI Elias!

Elias, you're most suspicious of me but you vote Kurtz? Hm...

I have backed off from the issue of Anix since he started to talk.

What do you think of lumos?

Elias_the_thief wrote:
by the way, im actually most suspicious of spectrum. but i don't want to put him that close to lynch without hearing some more from him.


I guess that's his reason... I'd like to hear more from him though.

Romanus, the reason why I specifically asked you about the vote on Rogue was because it didn't seem to make sense. There was no discussion about him prior to your post, and your reason was gut feel.

After some thought, I think it's protownish that Elias didn't vote for me. After all, he'll be accused of bandwagoning tomorrow if I'm lynched today. And quick-lynching is scummy behaviour.

CTD: Care to explain why lynching Kurtz isn't a good idea today?

Lumos? Earth to Lumos?

[Romanus]

I am polishing my hammer as we speak, just want to see some responses first.

[Romanus]

Never mind now, although it could
Open up some avenues for
Discussion tomorrow when we try to think
Of something to argue about. Though, I think there
Could be a lot of discussion tomorrow.

[Romanus]

I am willing to claim if enough people want me to. I'm not sure how it will help, and it could hurt. If you want it, then I will spill it.

[Romanus]

I am a protoss. I win when the zerg have been eliminated. I get one kill per night.

The way I see it, I am a vig miller. I would come up scum if investigated.

Obviously, I did not use my action last night.

I am open to questions.

[Romanus]

That is the problem with this role, I can't really prove it. In fact, I was kinda worried that a cop would check me and I would come up scum, then my claim would look like crap. I understand this is a difficult position.

[Romanus]

there was something that needed to happen last night that did not happen. I said all this yesterday, that it was somewhat complicated.

Really, there is little I can do or say to make people back off of me. I can still be a help to the town. I would be looking at how this wagon/lynch goes.

This is why I really didn't want to claim, I needed something to happen last night to confirm me, or at least give me some credibility. I also knew that I would be forced to claim this role that is set up to look just like what is being said about me.

[Romanus]

If the mafia targets me then cool stuff happens, but that is not likely to happen now, 1. cause they won't target me knowing that 2. You can't target someone who is dead.