Mini 1336 - Revolution Mafia Game Over!

[Voidedmafia]

Fate, I'll admit that the wagon on Elmo grew a bit too bast for anyone's liking, but would you agree that Elmo was perhaps the weaker player than me?

BB, is that line at me or Fate? (the "I can't read you" one?)

[BBmolla]

Fate.

[GreyICE]

Vote Count 2.4

VoidedMafia

- vijay2vasandani, KanyeKnowsBest, Fate, BBMolla

Fate

- CES, Implosion, Llamarble, VoidedMafia

SpyreX

- MattP, Kuribo

CES

- spyrex,

Llamarble

- Darox,

vijay2vasandani

-

KanyeKnowsBest -

Not Voting:

Trust Tokens

Name	Tokens Given	Tokens Received
BBmolla	Llama Matt Darox	SpyreX, Llamarble, VoidedMafia
Darox		SpyreX, BBmolla, implosion, MattP, kuribo
Fate
Haschel Cedricson
implosion	darox, mattp, llamarble
kanyeknowsbest	marble mattp spyrex,
kuribo	SpyreX, Darox, MattP	SpyreX, Llamarble, VoidedMafia,
Llamarble	Kuribo, Spyrex, BBMolla	kanyeknowsbest, BBmolla, implosion, MattP
MattP	SpyreX, Llamarble, Darox	kanyeknowsbest, BBmolla, implosion, kuribo
SpyreX	BBmolla, Darox, Kuribo	kanyeknowsbest, Llamarble, MattP, kuribo
VoidedMafia	Kuribo, BBmolla
vijay2vasandani

Mission size is 6 Players.

Deadline in:

(expired on 2012-06-25 20:00:00)

[Llamarble]

Oh hey look Fate totally changed direction and put his vote on the wagon that offered by far the best chance of somebody other than him dying. It might even work.

There sure are a lot of lurkers considering how intense the game is right now / the impending deadline.
The voided wagon is mostly composed of these lurky sketchy people where scum live.
Fate was one of them too until he got run up and actually got involved in order to try and survive.
I think now is a good time to point out again that ALMOST ALL OF FATE'S READS CAME FROM WHEN HE SELF-ADMITTEDLY HADN'T READ THE GAME. He has offered up an awful lot of yowling for somebody who isn't basing his opinions on anything.

I'm pretty sure I constantly appeal to my desire to maintain a record of not getting mislynched often when I'm scum.
Maybe I do that as town too, but yeah you people need to not be fooled by Fate ATE.
I don't really care whether it's plurality or not, but considering that was rather obviously already the direction we were headed in Fate's only reason to say that stuff is in the hope it will help him survive.

Kuribo pretty much thinks Fate is town / I'm scum because Kuribo doesn't like the way I play as town.
That's the reason I got mislynched in Nomination mafia and he CLEARLY hasn't learned anything from that game.

Darox basically always votes for town.
I've never seen him actually be useful to town in any of the games we've played together.
He may actually just be scum this game though.

you.

The people who :do: think we can read Fate / have had success reading him in the past are all voting Fate.
What do you think that means?

[Llamarble]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: VoidedMafia

It's not that I can read you as town, I just can't read you.

I do think the wagon on you blows.

Meant to quote that.

[kuribo]

god marble, now I want to lynch you first just so you'll shut the fuck up with this constant "I'M OBVIOUSLY TOWN BECAUSE AS SCUM I DON'T ACT LIKE THIS"


seriously, and i mean this from the bottom of my heart, shut the fuck up, that won't convince anyone

[Llamarble]

Why did we ever decide not to kill this again?
That was probably my fault. Bleh.

It's not that I :don't: act like this as scum. It's that I :CAN'T: act like this, despite having tried hard several times.
So no, I am not going to stop saying that I am obvtown because finding me scummy this game is simply WRONG if you've done ANY HOMEWORK AT ALL. And my being supertown this game is by no means just meta. The only element of it that is meta is that I haven't managed to achieve being ridiculously high-effort-protown as scum. I have put more effort into solving this game than anyone, am town because I got a power as a result of the mission, am town because there was no sabotage, am town because CES rolecleared me of taking any actions D1 or N1, am town because I have had MANY opportunities this game to just drive a wagon to lynch and chose to instead push a different one, am town because I have repeatedly stated my obvtownness in spite of it clearly causing you / Spyrex / others to want to lynch me because I just plain find it disgusting that anybody who actually is town could have a scumread on me, am town because of 873 individual towntells which I will go through in great detail if I actually get wagoned.

[kanyeknowsbest]

lol for reals? you didnt look very closely m8.

[Llamarble]

I really don't like that you disappeared right after the wagon moved.
The fact that you have a few posts elsewhere since then added to that.

[Llamarble]

Voided / Fate being the wagons isn't bad.
At least Voided isn't clearly town. But he has been voting with me, which meant he was contributing positively.
Fate is eminently the better lynch of the two.

[kanyeknowsbest]

I really don't like that you disappeared right after the wagon moved.
The fact that you have a few posts elsewhere since then added to that.

otoh consider that i have no posting anywhere since then until this afternoon and this is obviously the most volatile game that im in and has the most amount of shit for me to go through and consider?

[kanyeknowsbest]

hey. can we lynch marble instead of settling for vm?

[kanyeknowsbest]

fate you know thats the prize we desire, weve got to have it. dispell the fuck out of this idiot myth that is the all red wagon. yall snapped like fuck onto spyrex i know you can deal with it.

[BBmolla]

The people who :do: think we can read Fate / have had success reading him in the past are all voting Fate.
What do you think that means?

That you should make an easy to read case on why Fate is scum here and why lynching easier scum is not a better alternative.

[MattP]

Ew I hate fates jump to VM

[vijay2vasandani]

sorry Llamarble.

CES, if you want to lynch VM tomorrow and Fate today why not flip it around? That way, VM CAN STOP FUCKING RANTING ABOUT FUCKING BANDWAGONS GETTING DERAILED (amidoingthisrite?)

[Voidedmafia]

No.

Also, it's true.

Kanye: short answer, no. Long answer: Fuck no.

[Llamarble]

VM you should claim.

[Llamarble]

I'll do some more in depth analysis tomorrow, but I'll break it down now for later use:

Llamarble
CES
implosion
kanyeknowsbest
vijay2vansandani
BBmolla
SpyreX
kuribo
Darox
MattP
The Mini-Librarian Voided Mafia
Fate

Fucks that think I'm scum/willing to lynch me:
Llmarble
CES
Implosion
VoidedMafia
SPYREX

That's 5 people

People who can read me as town:
MattP
Kuribo
Vijay (50/50)
Kanye
Darox
BBmolla


That's 6 people.

I honestly don't see how a lynch on me good pan out other than shit compromising. The majority of this game thinks I"m town.


The minority contain the scum. Strongarming a Fate mislynch here is optimal play given my lack of fucks/time for this game.

Also of the people who are likely scum on my potential wagon:
Llmarble -"Unlynchable" (mission)
CES-Likely wrongtown
Implosion-"Unlynchable" (role related info start of day?)
VoidedMafia- I'm actually taking VM off my town list. His tunneling on me is completely unreasonable. AND given the fact that the SECOND and Elmo counter-wagon came up, the entire wagon dove for it STRONGLY points toward VM scum. Add this to the fact that his wagon DIDNT spring up again D2 (aka the wagon at first was scum bussing, then scum didn't want to bus today and have been driving the town around)
SPYREX-"Unlynchable" (Mission)

Unvote:
Vote: VoidedMafia

I'm obviously not going to be able to break apart the Marble/SpyreX scumblock today, but in time it will become more and more obvious to the remaining townies.

I will compromise on VM today.

This is such a bad post.
He counts up who is interested in voting him / other people, and then he puts his vote on the wagon other than himself that is most likely to succeed irrespective of his prior reads. This is pure, first principles scummotive.

[Llamarble]

VoidedMafia- I'm actually taking VM off my town list. His tunneling on me is completely unreasonable. AND given the fact that the SECOND and Elmo counter-wagon came up, the entire wagon dove for it STRONGLY points toward VM scum. Add this to the fact that his wagon DIDNT spring up again D2 (aka the wagon at first was scum bussing, then scum didn't want to bus today and have been driving the town around)

I said almost word for word the same thing earlier.
Neither Spyrex nor I fit into the 'left his wagon for Elmo wagon late D1 and didn't return D2' category.
Who are these mysterious bussing than leaving folks?
Actually that describes Fate himself better than it describes any other player in this game.

[MattP]

This is such a bad post.

[Voidedmafia]

VM you should claim.

Why?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The people who :do: think we can read Fate / have had success reading him in the past are all voting Fate.
What do you think that means?

That you should make an easy to read case on why Fate is scum here and why lynching easier scum is not a better alternative.

Fatetown would recognize 'marbletown. There, simple as pie.

I really don't get why getting Fate lynched is so hard here. He's playing a very lazy transparent game.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

am town because there was no sabotage

This isn't a town tell by the bye, unless you assume scum would sabotage if they had 2+ on the mission with decent probability.

(Easy to see why it's not: a priori expected amount of scum on the mission will surely be at least 1 or thereabout given reasonable reads; lack of sabotaging basically just decreases the chance that the amount of scum will be exactly 1 and reducing the probability that the average will be obtained doesn't affect the average.)

[SpyreX]

For the love of everything

SOMEONE needs to die and soon. Dont care who.