Mini 1336 - Revolution Mafia Game Over!

[Darox]

Thanks for your opinions Captain Decisive.

[Darox]

No really, let's pretend like we're not water running downhill for once.

[vijay2vasandani]

*push for VM lynch ladi dadi*

In other news, I don't know about the last Fate-Spyrex interaction. I want to believe it's legit, but he's Fate. Still he can be town for now.

[Llamarble]

If Fate was ever actually at L-1 I might've hammered just to spite him. Luckily, I'm not that destructive. (SEE, FATE? I LOOK OUT FOR YOU, AND WHAT DO YOU GIVE ME IN RETURN? HUH? HUH?!?!)

On the plus, yay Faterage. On the minus, I can't tell if it's scum desperation or just Fate being Fate.

If you want to help me not flip my read on you constantly, stop saying things that make it sound like you're a commentator instead of a participant who, you know, ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT LYNCHING SCUM. What is this 'vote me or vote Kanye' garbage. Urgh.

@Darox:
What I am doing, rather obviously, is having difficulty making up my mind. I don't want to lynch outside Fate HC Kanye though because that was what I came out with on my deepest readthrough. I've had about 728 different lynches I could have forced through by now though, if I was scum like you still IDIOTICALLY seem to think I am, so I'm not sure what you think I'm evilly trying to accomplish.


Why would anyone post something like:
*push for VM lynch ladi dadi*

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES is fucking town, it pains me to admit it, but he would try to use me as scum. He just has forgotten how I Work

This flip I don't really see from Fatescum.

Why? Seems to me to fit right in with the rest of the meaningless raging.

[Llamarble]

I think townies are more likely to decide they were wrong about something while thinking about the game later.
It's also just hard to abandon a good possible mislynch as scum.
Fate can still be scum, but this is definitely an 'eh yuck maybe he will flip town' for me.

[vijay2vasandani]

Just so you guys remember that after all your arguing, we can lynch scum right here.

[Voidedmafia]

A.) Because that seemed to be the two best lynches at the time.

B.) Because my ability to connect to the game (and to most games in general nowadays) is annoyingly waning at an alarmingly fast rate. And my own scumhunting abilities have been waning as well, but that's neither here nor there.

C.) Because he's essentially tunneling on me solely because of one post from TML and is effectively refusing to update that read.

P-EDIT: You?

[kuribo]

If Fate was ever actually at L-1 I might've hammered just to spite him. Luckily, I'm not that destructive. (SEE, FATE? I LOOK OUT FOR YOU, AND WHAT DO YOU GIVE ME IN RETURN? HUH? HUH?!?!)

On the plus, yay Faterage. On the minus, I can't tell if it's scum desperation or just Fate being Fate.

fuck my life, this is the wishy-washiest crap I've ever read

[Voidedmafia]

Well, duh. I've stated before (not in this game, though) that I can't read Fate well. Sometimes I can (like back on D1), and sometimes I can't.

[vijay2vasandani]

Yes man. Obviously me. which is why I'm voting you.

And I have updated the read. It just stayed the same.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vijay, you should vote for Fate. Voidedmafia is Tomorrow's lynch.

I think townies are more likely to decide they were wrong about something while thinking about the game later.
It's also just hard to abandon a good possible mislynch as scum.
Fate can still be scum, but this is definitely an 'eh yuck maybe he will flip town' for me.

And competent scum know that well-executed 180s look townish. The way to tell the two apart is quality of reasoning and his is trash. And I'm pretty unmislynchable.

[Fate]

Of him as scum doing this*

Notice how Marble dodges giving any actual meta reference or comparison.

His "very much Fate scum" is just baseless propaganda to instill suspicion of me in the playerlist.

[Fate]

I can't see a world inwhich both Marble/SpyreX are town. It just doesn't exist. One PROBABLY TWO scum there. Notvotin anywhere else. Kanye wagon is just an easy bullshit mislynch after he saw how shitty he would look if he forced this Fate one through.

Marble/Spy today, no compromises.

[Fate]

I think townies are more likely to decide they were wrong about something while thinking about the game later.
It's also just hard to abandon a

good possible mislynch as scum.

Fate can still be scum, but this is definitely an 'eh yuck maybe he will flip town' for me.

THIS SI A SLIP

All this time its been me+HC buddies, me and HC hypothetical buddies this and that and HC scum for role etc BULLLSHIT


So I flip a read around on him, and Marble decides that its a good reason to fake a read reversal on me? But the reason is SHIT. If I were scum I'd make a flip on CES if he were my buddy and I was about to go down. Marble town would still be paranoid aout me and not let a thing like this read reversal throw him off.

Instead Marblescum

who knows CES IS TOWN

, and so his faked reasoing for backing off me includes that, because he is saying Im backing off a CESmislynch and thats unreasonable as scum, so I mightbe town now.

BUT MARBLETOWN WOULD HAVENO REASON O THINK CESTOWN AFTER HIS EARLIER STATED REASONING

100% slip

Unvote:
Vote: Llmarble

Fucking KILL IT>

His appeal "FATE IF YOURE TOWN YU ARE WRONG" is such BULLSHIT appeasement its not even funny. "FATEIM NOT MISLYNCHING YOU ANYMORE SO STOP CATCHING MY SCUMTEAM"

No.

He DIES

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're boring, Fate; 'marble is town.

On an unrelated note, I did some calculations and based on my reads, my a priori estimate (i.e. not taking into account the no-sabotage result) for the odds of an all-town mission are around 19%; odds of a 1-scum mission 53%; odds of a 2-scum mission 26%; and odds of a 3-scum mission 2%. Conditioning on the no-sabotage result should lower the second significantly and up the other 3 accordingly but I certainly think 1-scum is still a reasonable option and we probably shouldn't be too optimistic regarding the no-sabotage result in general.

[Llamarble]

Fate you are not this stupid.
VOTE: Fate
If you're actually town you've lost some of the respect I have for you.

STOP BEING A MORON != appeasement.

I think that CES may be mafia. He also may not be mafia.
I have made arguments for both of these possibilities as I considered them.
I am not going to 100% assume one or the other while trying to read everybody else.
And whether CES is scum or town, rethinking a read is something town do more often than scum.
But yeah, CES' 1101 is reasonable.

Kanye wagon is just an easy bullshit mislynch after he saw how shitty he would look if he forced this Fate one through.

This is entirely unreasonable. I'm not going to switch wagons 87 times to avoid responsibility.
That would be a laughably large amount of effort for an unimportant objective.
All I care about as scum is making mislynches happen, and then if I come under fire I rely on my ability to win logicwarz / engineer a lynch on somebody else. I'm not as good at scum as I am at town, but that's how I have played it in the past. I'm not going to derail like 5 of my own perfectly good wagons particularly given that leading the lynch for a day creates proactivity & 'why are you still alive' cred and creates the possibility of a lynch I actually don't want happening.
There is practically no way I am getting lynched this game; I have so many towntells at this point it is kind of disgusting.
So if this is my absolute scum masterwork game I'm not going to be worried about looking bad for who I lynch, I'm just going to lynch people who could be annoying. Lynchees get way less listened to than NKed players who don't get listened to much anyway.

Fate you have joined Bgg as the only two people I've ever thought "he probably should die for the good of town's winning odds even if he's town." Now I don't really believe that because mislynches are the worst thing, but I thought it, and that should mean something. I guess it won't really hurt my respect for you if you flip town because I do still think you're pretty awesome, but DAMN if you're town this has not been a good game for you. Well unless Spyrex is scum, in which case your only real crime is horribad tunneling on me, but yeah we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

[Voidedmafia]

Marble's town (which should be obvious by now).

I can see Fatescum now thanks to Marble.

Vote: Fate

(off-topic, but who's Bgg?)

[implosion]

THIS SI A SLIP

I read this line of your post, then decided not to read the rest because it's probably just a misspelling-laden rant, and i'm really not in the mood to read a misspelling-laden rant.

[kuribo]

There is practically no way I am getting lynched this game; I have so many towntells at this point it is kind of disgusting.

LOOK AT THIS COCKY ATTITUDE

LOOK AT MARBLE'S SCUMMY SELF

LOOK AT THE FESTERING OPPORTUNISM ON FATE'S WAGON

marble and spyrex for scum team in 2012

[Fate]

The amount of oil oozing from Llmarble as he yet again joins my wagon should make SpyreX's baby cry.

So now I, as scum, who hypothetically FINALLY appeased you to get off my wagon, and had a wagon on SpyreX (MattP+me+my posse=wagon), switched to a vote on YOU to provoke you further?

Nah.

If there isn't one scum between you piled of slime I'll take a well deserved break for being bad.

[implosion]

You know what would be really funny?

If people in this thread were capable of coming to some form of consensus.

We're damn close with Fate, so let's not slow down this time please?

[Llamarble]

I feel like we're back to where we were just after I replaced in.

There is practically no way I am getting lynched this game; I have so many towntells at this point it is kind of disgusting.

LOOK AT THIS COCKY ATTITUDE

LOOK AT MARBLE'S SCUMMY SELF

LOOK AT THE FESTERING OPPORTUNISM ON FATE'S WAGON

marble and spyrex for scum team in 2012

1. I am much more confident as town.
2. How is it opportunism if the Kanye lynch was already agreeable to me, which it obviously was considering I basically made it happen?
3. How come you have barely been involved today?

The amount of oil oozing from Llmarble as he yet again joins my wagon should make SpyreX's baby cry.

So now I, as scum, who hypothetically FINALLY appeased you to get off my wagon, and had a wagon on SpyreX (MattP+me+my posse=wagon), switched to a vote on YOU to provoke you further?

Nah.

If there isn't one scum between you piled of slime I'll take a well deserved break for being bad.

If it was you vs Spyrex my vote was obviously already going to be on you, so there isn't any incentive not to continue attacking me.

[kuribo]

1. I am much more confident as town.
2. How is it opportunism if the Kanye lynch was already agreeable to me, which it obviously was considering I basically made it happen?
3. How come you have barely been involved today?

1- oh, okay self meta that makes you town

2- your reads have been so far all over the map that you've expressed agreement to lynch pretty much anyone at various states of the game

3:

I completely had forgotten you were in this game Kuribo.

I need help.

shhh don't tell anyone but i'm quietly phasing myself out of mafia games

[Voidedmafia]

Only people he's wanted to lynch were me, Fate, HC, Spy, and I think Implo. That's not everyone nor is it all over the place.