Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Gammagooey]

maaaaan my forum gameplay is pretty ridiculously different than my face to face gameplay

having the ability to go back through what people are saying and not relying on memory and people's faces while saying/not saying things is kinda useful sometimes.

[UberNinja]

no this applies to forum gameplay too

[Katsuki]

No f2f play is indeed a pretty bad indicator of forum play.

[UberNinja]

i'm not linking it to f2f shut the fuck up muffin man

[Hinduragi]

i'm not linking it to f2f shut the fuck up muffin man

Then where are you getting this from?

[MaguaofIllusion]

@Spyrex

– Yeah, I know you are miffed that I’ve called you scum and that I’m infringing on patented SDC tactics in doing so. Life will go on.

But clearly it is you, not I, that doesn’t ‘get it’.

There is no known Universe where that list of 6 names does not contain at least 1 scum. Maybe two if Implosion's role was important enough to them.

You can’t say “Well, everyone just wanted the day to end” as to why Quilford died and not Implosion. Becacuse Implosion was a Katsuki / Oman big lump of scummy nothing and was sitting with a wagon of note as our DERPwagon disintegrated. And Quilford had zero votes as I already laid out for you. If Town wanted any lynch just to end the day shifting right over to Implosion would have been easy-peasy.

But nope. Suddenly in less than 24 hours and 30 posts Quilford’s wagon explodes like it was shot out of a cannon and he’s right past Implosion scum.

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Oman now joins Katsuki as an always acceptable lynch.

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I probably should make my self useful if I'm not gonna be here.

Vote: GI

UN vote is pretty bad and needs explaining.

Oh the irony of you asking someone to justify a vote. Scumtastic.

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@Duplicity

– if we are going to lynch an non-contributing lurker let’s make it Katsuki or Oman please.

VOTE: Katsuki

Also – who do you think is most likely scum in my “Gang of 6”?

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Uberninja looks more Town in this head’s opinion for Post 1870. The parade of “Why you using RL meta” that came right afterwards is very very funny …

[Oman]

Vote Spyrex

I can go through and name things if people REALLY need me to, but it's mostly a gut feeling of the roleout from the country argument about 13 pages back. It feels wrong. It doesn't feel right. It feels like Spyrex doesn't want to say the wrong thing when he's talking about it.

[Oman]

EBWOP: Hey man, that shit hurts, let's watch our words.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I could lynch Dana.

Concur, also want to see Oman dead.

[MaguaofIllusion]

Before I forget -

This head also would lynch DDD out of the Gang of Six if we got that route. He's not nearly obv-Town enough for my tastes.

[dramonic]

gonna read up.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Before I forget -

This head also would lynch DDD out of the Gang of Six if we got that route. He's not nearly obv-Town enough for my tastes.

You're just upset I figured out the SpyreX thing while you were stuck scratching your head and making a fool of yourself.

[Shmugen]

I can go for a lurker lynch if Ludi isn't going to get the axe. Oman, Nexus, Katsuki, take your pick.

[danakillsu]

Also delayed answer to Katsuki's question.

I think you're faking care to look like you're actually trying to be busy and focus on the game. I'd say it's a bit scummy but not enough to actually be scum.

Dana: I'm still convinced Alchemist is scum, but I need to re-read him. TSH would also be a good lynch candidate.

Based on this post, I think a Nexus lynch would give us many times more information than a Katsuki lynch.

unvote vote: Nexus

[danakillsu]

Also forgot to mention that I looked at singersigner. I'm getting null maybe leaning scum from that slot. Playing somewhat like me, honestly, but imo in a somewhat scummier way.

[Alchemist]

vote: ludi

for ignoring my trigun remark, truly scummy

[Duplicity]

UN, the "I always read Gamma wrong and I read him as town so he must be scum" argument is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

@Duplicity

– if we are going to lynch an non-contributing lurker let’s make it Katsuki or Oman please.

Consider it somewhat meta but I think after Nexus's failure as scum in Ponybash this sort of play and lurking from him is exactly what he'd do as scum which makes him by far the best lynch inside the lurkers. I wouldn't oppose a Kats lynch either I suppose but I'm not feeling Oman-Scum right now, it's an incredibly weak reason but I found his "I haven't played for ages why are people sheeping me!" comment earlier a very slight town-tell. Also DDD is town, his back/forth with SpyreX is a town-tell.

An for oman scum, it's because he hasn't really DONE anything. His first couple posts contain a vote on Tierce and not much followup, and then he segue's into voting GreyICE and leaving his vote there until the MoI wagon comes roaring along. Even though he has 15 posts, none of them really do anything or attempt to convince the rest of the players in the game that who he is pushing on is scum, and I find that mentality and posting style more likely to come from scum than town.

I understand your SpyreX read and it's something I've been tossing up myself, I think overall I treat his whole 'I have no country' claim as a weak town-tell but that combined with his play which has been fairly lackluster leaves him sitting around null. What I do not understand is how your Oman scum read reasoning doesn't relate to Kates, Nexus and a few other people are doing the same thing or at least something highly similar. So why is he scum over them?

This is the problem I have with people voting me. I don't know what you mean by 'unnatural', as that just how I have posted this game, and I don't think I had a lot of fluff and filler, and certainly not more than anyone else in the game. I think I asked someone to show me who was the bastion of no fluff filler posting that I am being compared to that makes me woefully inadequate, and I don't think that response was forthcoming.

I don't think I soft pushed away from implosion. I said I he wasn't a good wagon, isoed him, thought he was town, and then left it. I am still surprised he flipped scum. I can't speak for what implosion did, but if you can point out exactly what you're talking about we can sort it out.

I can't describe unnatural too well, at least not at the moment. The person that you asked to show how you've been fluffing and filling was me, and I answered it to have no response from you to it at all, see; Post 493. As for why you found Implosion town I cannot grasp or understand that, literally nothing he did even seemed an inch town and his conversation and back and forth with Toasty was so bad that it was almost a scum-claim, your comment of 'dont like his wagon' and no future comment on it looks like avoiding a team-mates lynch, that's the problem I have with it. The Implosion thing is Post 1070, his addressing of your wagon is similar to that of yours to him, it's an avoidance of voting each other by stating dislike of the other persons wagon with no reasoning attached whatsoever.

That wasn't exactly my question. You called my attack on alchemist 'contrived', and I'd like to know what about it you thought was particularly wrong or out of place.

Ok, we've gone over this before once for the record but I'll do it again. Your attack reads as an OMGUS, it's you attacking him when he suggests you as scum and it looks like silencing a weaker player by insisting he's scum and therefore attempting to decredit his arguments through it.

[Magister Ludi]

vote: ludi

for ignoring my trigun remark, truly scummy

This is the sort of stuff i'm dealing with here . Yes, I love trigun. Yes, it has no importance on this game. Yes, you should watch every single episode in three days like me. Can we move on?

Duplicity;

I understand your SpyreX read and it's something I've been tossing up myself, I think overall I treat his whole 'I have no country' claim as a weak town-tell but that combined with his play which has been fairly lackluster leaves him sitting around null.

What I do not understand is how your Oman scum read reasoning doesn't relate to Kates, Nexus and a few other people are doing the same thing or at least something highly similar. So why is he scum over them?

Well, the fact is for Oman there are pushes and comments he has made I think are actively scummy (and I do mention those). Katsuki and Nexus are more.... absent or non contributing. I mention for Nexus the only small saving grace is that he thinks Alchemist and TSH are scum as well. Katsuki is very frustrating for me to play with because he sort of derps around and lurks and doesn't do much ever. So, I think Oman is slightly different, but by no means are they in my town category, and I would be willing to vote for them if it is necessary.

I can't describe unnatural too well, at least not at the moment. The person that you asked to show how you've been fluffing and filling was me, and I answered it to have no response from you to it at all, see; Post 493.

ahh yes, I remember that post vaguely. The problem here is that I can flatly say I disagree with you that I was fluffing, and it sort of comes down to how you interpret that word of my post. Its hard for me to shake you from that read because it's like looking at art, you might like something I think is crap. But that's why I had my little follow up question about who in the game was a shinning example of NOT 'fluffing' (god sounds like a porno here) so I knew which metric you were using.

As for why you found Implosion town I cannot grasp or understand that, literally nothing he did even seemed an inch town and his conversation and back and forth with Toasty was so bad that it was almost a scum-claim, your comment of 'dont like his wagon' and no future comment on it looks like avoiding a team-mates lynch, that's the problem I have with it. The Implosion thing is Post 1070, his addressing of your wagon is similar to that of yours to him, it's an avoidance of voting each other by stating dislike of the other persons wagon with no reasoning attached whatsoever.

All I can say to this is that I would definitely have positioned myself in a more favorable position or come out of it looking better re: implosion if I was scum with him. And yeah, I did read him as town, if you're town kudos to you for reading him as scum.

Ok, we've gone over this before once for the record but I'll do it again. Your attack reads as an OMGUS, it's you attacking him when he suggests you as scum and it looks like silencing a weaker player by insisting he's scum and therefore attempting to decredit his arguments through it.

I don't think this is the case. Alchemist makes a throwaway comment about how he gut has me as scum in 226, and that cause me to take a closer look at him and make a pretty good post in 240 addressing specifically why I think he is scum, and then he sort of amps it up. To dismiss me response as omgus is disingenuous, as that means any scum should vote for everyone in my opening post, and then if anyone voted them back belittle it with omgus and other such words.

On another note, I'm not sure how much more this particular argument has left in it. I think you're more town than not, so I'd rather not have to have huge battles with you specifically. If you want to ask me more questions or ask my opinion on anything, please do.

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p.s. I'm glad people are coming around to dana and oman

[Alchemist]

This is the sort of stuff i'm dealing with here . Yes, I love trigun. Yes, it has no importance on this game. Yes, you should watch every single episode in three days like me. Can we move on?

>implying you dont realize that it was a joke
>implying that you actually think thats why im voting for you
>bitch please

[Magister Ludi]

@ Tammy, I have put effort into finding scum, a lot actually.

And to your 'defensive' argument, the whole "being defensive is a scum tell" thing is, and has always been, bogus. Everyone should always defend themselves in detail against any reasonable accusation (and against most unreasonable ones as wll).

If you're town, and someone's calling you scum, either their facts are wrong, their logic is wrong, they're jumping to conclusions incorrectly, or at the very least their argument is inconclusive. One of those things must be true, and whenever someone accuses you, it's your job to say why they're wrong.

I tend to consider failure to defend yourself properly a scumtell, and defending yourself to be null at worst.

(I first figured out that "being defensive is a scumtell" thing was crap during my first few games as scum; I was amazed how easy it was for a scum to get a mislynch using it. Step 1, attack someone. Step 2, when they defend themselves, call them defensive. Never failed.)

Defensivness isn't scummy, period. If you defend yourself against a mild attack with a mile long post, then that might be an overreaction, but it isn't at all scummy; there's no reason to think scum is more likely to do that then town.

Now, if you're defending yourself without scumhunting, that can be scummy, but there the tell is the lack of scumhunting, not defending yourself. If you're defending yourself in detail, it pretty much just means you're playing the game properly; nobody wants to be lynched, and if you let even minor incorrect arguments against you stand without responding to them, it's very likely to come back and bite you on the ass later in the game.

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[UberNinja]

i'm not linking it to f2f shut the fuck up muffin man

Then where are you getting this from?

the 6000 games i have played with katsuki

don't judge me

[Katsuki]

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I really wish I counterclaimed MOI last day now.

Can anyone verify his claim because otherwise he's dead.



@UN: You were talking about Gamma play? playing with me has nothing to do with me.

[Alchemist]

thats a good point kat

[ToastyToast]

crap gotta catch up on reading. been playing too much dark souls.

let's see...
um yeah UN is being dumb

no it's not
it's fucking good as fuck because gamma is always scum when i think he's town
and i think he's town

I think I just vomited from seeing too much stupid.

For those voting because of Nexus, is there any reason you are preferring a Nexus lynch over other lurkers? Understand the oman reasons and DDD reasons, but don't really know much on the nexus case.

Likewise the odds that all 6 of those players who are unflipped being Town are ZERO. Of course I’d peg Singer as one. Maybe DDD at current state of affairs. And kiss any Gamma Town reads this head had previously goodbye.

I agree for the most part, but have also wondered if the vote was simply due to people being frustrated. The day was dragging on, and people wanted a lynch. I definitely think there were scum on the Quilford wagon. People I can see getting frustrated as town and going for a lynch would be Glork, Wyrd, Gamma. DDD is probs my best guess for scum on the Quilford wagon.

@MoI: Do you think it is scummier for someone to suggest a lynch (Alchemist) than to just hop on one?

And honestly I'm still so confused by the Ludi lynchers and don't really want to read through how gigantic all the posts on that mater are. Also, anyone voting Ludi because of a lack of content....yeah, no.

I assume you mean Quilford, also. What do you mean by similar? I was pushing him all day yesterday, and the other two votes are by people I have pretty good town reads on. I'm not sure what the problem you're seeing here is.

Statement was more of a "We should really avoid repeating our mistakes" and not meant to specifically address you. I don't want a quicklynch, and if we go after lurkers again we need to figure out why one is scummier than the other. I don't see much of that for TSH(other than some of his votes) or Nexus.

[ToastyToast]

crap gotta catch up on reading. been playing too much dark souls.

let's see...
um yeah UN is being dumb

no it's not
it's fucking good as fuck because gamma is always scum when i think he's town
and i think he's town

I think I just vomited from seeing too much stupid.

For those voting because of Nexus, is there any reason you are preferring a Nexus lynch over other lurkers? Understand the oman reasons and DDD reasons, but don't really know much on the nexus case.

Likewise the odds that all 6 of those players who are unflipped being Town are ZERO. Of course I’d peg Singer as one. Maybe DDD at current state of affairs. And kiss any Gamma Town reads this head had previously goodbye.

I agree for the most part, but have also wondered if the vote was simply due to people being frustrated. The day was dragging on, and people wanted a lynch. I definitely think there were scum on the Quilford wagon. People I can see getting frustrated as town and going for a lynch would be Glork, Wyrd, Gamma. DDD is probs my best guess for scum on the Quilford wagon.

@MoI: Do you think it is scummier for someone to suggest a lynch (Alchemist) than to just hop on one?

And honestly I'm still so confused by the Ludi lynchers and don't really want to read through how gigantic all the posts on that mater are. Also, anyone voting Ludi because of a lack of content....yeah, no.

I assume you mean Quilford, also. What do you mean by similar? I was pushing him all day yesterday, and the other two votes are by people I have pretty good town reads on. I'm not sure what the problem you're seeing here is.

Statement was more of a "We should really avoid repeating our mistakes" and not meant to specifically address you. I don't want a quicklynch, and if we go after lurkers again we need to figure out why one is scummier than the other. I don't see much of that for TSH(other than some of his votes) or Nexus.