Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[MaguaofIllusion]

Blue number is related to activity. Target number is either related to time (fixed) or to the player count. Given 12-17, it could be that it is either fixed or half of the living players. I would bet on fixed.

*Incredibly* willing to bet that this is *not* the Mafia kill, but supplements it. Unsure of whether ending the Day will reset the counter; if it does reset the counter, this is a supplemental kill. If it doesn't, this may be the Mafia's only kill. Predict the first option -- the number is the counter for activity, activity should be timed around 2 weeks per Day as per other Vi games.

So, didn't want to do this, but better to be NKed by the mafia than lynched by the town.

We're a leader of one of the non-Daein regions. We had a belief pre-D1, and continue in this belief, that this puts us on the Mafia's hitlist, which is one of the reasons we had such an early townread on Gamma for his discouraging of roleclaim.

Our role is masonizer. If we target "eligible" (actual term used) people, we will be confirmed Town to them and them to us. We do not know what "eligible" means -- Vi won't elaborate -- but it is our suspicion that it is roles that originate in our own country.

[Alchemist]

Obviously. ATM I'm trying to figure out what real life timeframe cycles are on. Help me out, Tierce. ISOing Vi.

[MaguaofIllusion]

The number in the VC does not correlate with a fixed time. Already looked. It is related to activity.

(And Vi has some odd thoughts about the "worth" of activity; it is not directly related to the number of posts.)

[Alchemist]

Everyone get the fuck off Magua right now.

[Alchemist]

The number in the VC does not correlate with a fixed time. Already looked. It is related to activity.

(And Vi has some odd thoughts about the "worth" of activity; it is not directly related to the number of posts.)

Define activity

Provide proof

[Alchemist]

I explained very clearly that Oversoul was town but nobody ever listens.

Whatever I guess I'm ready for the day to end.

Vote: MaguaofIllusion.

this goes beyond simple laziness and pretty obviously into opportunistic scum territory

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: MaguaofIllusion

It's far too late in the evening for me to be worrying about this. -_-

[ToastyToast]

My thoughts on MoI wagon: I don't often see MoI or Magua on the defensive so early, and I do think some of their more recent posts come off as bickering. My main issue with the wagon is that I think a lot of the people on it are simply tired of D1 and are compromising. 59 pages in, this isn't surprising, but I often see this behavior end in a lynch that hasn't been thought out by town. I also think the recent list of reads is poor, and shows minimal effort. Very few town reads, the insistence on SpyreX is strange, as is the need to differentiate between the two heads (I see disagreeing opinions between two heads to be scummy, largely because it makes that slot less responsible for their reads).

@Vi: I believe I'm voting implosion, but I'll do it again.

unvote:vote:implosion

Sort of confused by OS collapse. Things to get from it: 1) Not described as being dead, 2) no role given, 3) Unclear if Apostle's army is another scum team of a 3rd party of sorts. Flavor would suggest 3rd party, but idk how much Vi relied on it for this game. 4) Good catch on the cycle thing; "please hurry" could very well be a warning for us to, well, hurry.

[Alchemist]

Our role is masonizer. If we target "eligible" (actual term used) people, we will be confirmed Town to them and them to us.

We do not know what "eligible" means -- Vi won't elaborate -- but it is our suspicion that it is roles that originate in our own country.

GET OFF MOI RIGHT RIGHT NOW

[ToastyToast]

Update: No way I'm voting a claimed masonizer

[Alchemist]

OS said we had one cycle left. We need to lynch someone.

AND FAST. Scum will try to obstruct IMO.

[MaguaofIllusion]

The number in the VC does not correlate with a fixed time. Already looked. It is related to activity.

(And Vi has some odd thoughts about the "worth" of activity; it is not directly related to the number of posts.)

Define activity

Provide proof

Er, "content-worthy posts"? For proof, look at Metamafia, Mafia of the Holy Ones, Mafia of the Chosen Ones, etc.

The reason I specifically point out that it's not tied to post number is because I remember in Metamafia a 24 hour or so section of time that had something insane, like 200+ posts, and Vi dropped the battery by something like 20%. I asked him why afterwards, in the Dead QT, and the response was something like, "Spamming isn't useful" or something like that. I'll try to find the exact post.

2) no role given

Look at the sample Role PM in the Vi's OP. Look at how the death flip is defined. Roles won't flip.

3) Unclear if Apostle's army is another scum team of a 3rd party of sorts.

Er.
Er.
Er.

Look at the sample Role PM in Vi's OP again, I suppose.

[MaguaofIllusion]

OS said we had one cycle left. We need to lynch someone.

AND FAST. Scum will try to obstruct IMO.

Cycle is almost undoubtedly another two weeks-ish, depending.

[Alchemist]

Pretty sure you are dead wrong about that and OS's role serves as a warning before something bad happens and scum tentacle-rape someone at cycle 18.

[Hinduragi]

If the number was going to reset it would have done so already.

I really don't know about Oversoul being a suicidal townie. That seems dumb. It would make more sense that the scum get their kills on specific numbers, even. I can explain more on why this is more likely later.

Having read a Vi game or two, it's some funky hybrid mixture of quantity and quality of posts over time.

What? No. Try to explain why and why he would make another game with the same mechanic in a different form.

[MaguaofIllusion]

Reference from Metamafia Dead QT, message 237, about Vi draining the battery by a third or so despite 400 or so posts in a 24 hour period.

Pretty sure you are dead wrong about that and OS's role serves as a warning before something bad happens and scum tentacle-rape someone at cycle 18.

Cycle. Cycle. One cycle behind is probably one lynch/Nightkill. That would be a cycle.

Having it your way makes no sense in a 29 player game where it may not be physically *possible* to get someone lynched in less than 48-72 hours after the first Daykill D1.

[ToastyToast]

@MoI: I did but I'm stupid. I didn't see anything about the apostle's army in it, only that we know of two win conditions.

[Magister Ludi]

Unvote

My first thought was that Oversoul's death was tied into the little blue number thingy.

[MaguaofIllusion]

@MoI: I did but I'm stupid. I didn't see anything about the apostle's army in it, only that we know of two win conditions.

<_<
>_>

Mod note: Flips as "Lucius, a wanderer from Etruria, aligned with the

Apostle's Army

".

[ToastyToast]

Oh. ty

[Alchemist]

Nikanor pretty obviously playing lazy scum

He needs rope, guys

[Magister Ludi]

responding to TSH in a second,

Decided to do this for the blue numbers, all times gmt -8

Thread opens; Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:23 pm, (blue number = 0)
Post #203 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:46 am (0)
Post #312 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:19 pm (0)
Post #358 (isolation #11) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:56 am (0)
Post #436 (isolation #12) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:41 pm (2)
Post #509 (isolation #13) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:45 am (2)
Post #577 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:13 pm (3)
Post #618 (isolation #15) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:16 am (3)
Post #739 (isolation #16) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:43 pm (3)
Post #857 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:08 pm (5)
Post #898 (isolation #18) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:17 am (5)
Post #935 (isolation #19) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:05 pm (6)
Post #990 (isolation #20) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:58 pm (6)
Post #1004 (isolation #21) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:50 pm (8)
Post #1086 (isolation #22) » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:03 am (8)
Post #1151 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:12 pm (9)
Post #1230 (isolation #24) » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:21 pm (11)
Post #1258 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:01 pm (12)
Post #1304 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:51 pm (14)
Post #1385 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:12 pm (15)
Post #1454 (isolation #29) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:22 pm (17)

I'll crunch some stats on this, but if anyone else wants to, could be appreciated, trying to find links between number and post, or date

[Nikanor]

I explained very clearly that Oversoul was town but nobody ever listens.

Whatever I guess I'm ready for the day to end.

Vote: MaguaofIllusion.

this goes beyond simple laziness and pretty obviously into opportunistic scum territory

I'm fairly obviously town to anyone who knows how to scumhunt. I'm sorry that you do not fit this description.

MoI: I'd like a full name claim, please. Since you're claiming that your ability will only work on 'eligible' targets, to not claim your role name leaves too much wriggle-room for fakeclaiming later.

[Tierce]

I do not believe attempting to sort out the blue number issue will be something we can definitely do today. We need a night to see if it resets or not, and then draw conclusions from that.

In the meantime, using time on this stuff instead of actually pushing for a lynch when it's rather evident that THAT is an urgent business? Bad idea.


PEdit: No. No name claim for obv reasons.

[Alchemist]

responding to TSH in a second,

Decided to do this for the blue numbers, all times gmt -8

Thread opens; Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:23 pm, (blue number = 0)
Post #203 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:46 am (0)
Post #312 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:19 pm (0)
Post #358 (isolation #11) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:56 am (0)
Post #436 (isolation #12) » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:41 pm (2)
Post #509 (isolation #13) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:45 am (2)
Post #577 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:13 pm (3)
Post #618 (isolation #15) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:16 am (3)
Post #739 (isolation #16) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:43 pm (3)
Post #857 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:08 pm (5)
Post #898 (isolation #18) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:17 am (5)
Post #935 (isolation #19) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:05 pm (6)
Post #990 (isolation #20) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:58 pm (6)
Post #1004 (isolation #21) » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:50 pm (8)
Post #1086 (isolation #22) » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:03 am (8)
Post #1151 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:12 pm (9)
Post #1230 (isolation #24) » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:21 pm (11)
Post #1258 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:01 pm (12)
Post #1304 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:51 pm (14)
Post #1385 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:12 pm (15)
Post #1454 (isolation #29) » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:22 pm (17)

I'll crunch some stats on this, but if anyone else wants to, could be appreciated, trying to find links between number and post, or date

I was going to do that but got discouraged.

Try to count the votes inbetween the posts and I'll consider not vigging you

pedit: lol k nik