WoT Mafia, GAME OVER

[petroleumjelly]

Anonymities has basically already role-claimed.

[Gleeman]

lowell replaces bascas effective immeadiately.

[petroleumjelly]

Unvote: Bascas, Vote: Lowell

.

How's it going, scum?

[Fritzler]

VOTE: LOWELL

[MrBuddyLee]

pj: an uncounterclaimed Rand is as close to a confirmed innocent as we can get. Have you really been so confident in your abilities that you saw a vig every night as the right plays? Why do you feel mmod's knowledge of your broomhead order clears him?

lordy/max, pretty much zero contribution. lordy has a rolename/safeclaim that will please us.
fritzler: claiming coolness with lordy. max kinda hinted they were a pair.

m-m: seems pro-town

armlx: can't tell

spam, illumina: mason lovers gettin along today

ghyrt, pj: likely ggs due to the Rand thing

Tamuz: pointed in good directions, seems to have inside knowledge

Bascas: terrible post history

Anonymities/themanhimself: terrible post history til yesterday. hinting at certain knowledge of priests in the game. Bold claim of provable townness.

vote: Lowell/Bascas

for a terrible post history including a pair of whoppers about AlberttheGreat.

fos: Skylink/armlx

Lowell and Skylink, what do you guys make of Fritzler and lordy?

[petroleumjelly]

pj: an uncounterclaimed Rand is as close to a confirmed innocent as we can get. Have you really been so confident in your abilities that you saw a vig every night as the right plays? Why do you feel mmod's knowledge of your broomhead order clears him?

1.) Yup. If I don't like the way somebody is playing, I decided beforehand in this game that I'll just Vig them. It makes it so I don't have to worry about lynching them (or somebody else wanting to lynch them) the next day as well, so I can search for as many scum as possible. As it happened, for about every pair of players I have picked throughout the game, at least one has been scum. I Vig one, and then push for a lynch on the other: and as far as I know, we have lynched scum every day, and I've also taken out a scum at night.

At this point I would wager the town greatly outnumbers the scum, I am more than willing to play a game of attrition. I'll kill everybody who I think is least likely to be town. Call it callous, but it gets the job done.

2.) MMoD has had a few pieces of information. Firstly, he called out the fact (although technically unproven) that BabyJesus had been collared (on Night Three, iirc). He has also mentioned the distinct possibility of neutral roles, which until that time, had not been considered as a real possibility. Also, he called out the information that I (unknowingly) ordered Broomhead to kill himself

before

I ever offered that information to the town: I see absolutely no reason for scum to have that information. As it is, since he has given verifiable information to the town, I consider him

much

more cleared than most of the players remaining.

For the record, though, I don't think my claim

alone

puts me in the clear: I

have

been on pretty much every single scum-lynch in the game. Don't I get plus points for that?

[Lowell]

Right on. So, I get an email that I'm in the game and WHAM! I start getting voted for?

Democracy rocks!

Can someone tell me where the link is to the beginning of this game? I have no idea how many mafia/special characters/etc there are, and I'd like to be able to read through and get an idea who the enemies are. Thanks.

[mystery meat of doom]

If need be I can name-claim. I'm pretty sure that'll clear me.

I'll have to run through the thread some time to figure out what's exactly going on with others.

[Anonymities]

Vote: Lowell

Mostly the same reasons as what has been stated. I basically feel that this is our best bet.

@MBL: The reason my post history was so bad until recently is because I'm a replacement of a replacement.

[Gleeman]

Lowell , start at page one, and work through
bottom right of the thread

[Lowell]

Thanks Gleeman.

Looks like the links only go back to Day 5, and already most of the field is dead. Was there a previous thread too?

[petroleumjelly]

The first page is simply the current state of the game, Lowell. When the game began, everybody was still alive (except for those who died Night Zero). As you read, the number of people alive was slowly whittled down to who you see today. ^_^

[Lowell]

Right. Should have figured that out. Man, I'm tempted to vote for myself for all these dumb questions.

Fortunately, it turns out I'd be wasting the village's time by doing so. I don't have any special qualities and am not a special character. Probably why my predecessor decided to give up the role and go home.

So, since I'm new (and as it might help those still in the game who have forgotten), two questions: 1) how many bad guys are we still looking for? and 2) has anyone alive been confirmed innocent?

for now I'll

vote petroleum

, if only because he was the first to jump on me when I joined. I can be convinced to change, however, should someone give me a better idea.

[MrBuddyLee]

petroleum has claimed the protagonist of The Wheel of Time, Rand. He hasn't been counterclaimed.

[Lowell]

Ok, just read back a little. Obviously that vote is dumb (plus, he answered my question and seems nice).

UNVOTE

In general, I'm more suspicious of people who join bandwagons than people who start them. Easy for scum to ride the wave and stay silent than to speak up.

If the odds are overwhelmingly in the town's favor (as some of you suggest), then the vote for me (mostly random: because you didnt like bascas' posts???) makes a little more sense. Yet, it'll certainly be a mistake.

[Illumina]

For those confirmed or suspected innocent, see PJ's earlier post, number 659.

A useful tip: as you're viewing this, notice the last three numbers in the url of this page. Every post in a thread has a number associated with it, and you can move to any one of them by changing the value of those last numbers with the post number you'd like to go to.

And, since PJ has proven himself in my eyes, I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Lowell

. It is indeed a safe bet, and attrition is a strategy we can afford to play at this point.

[petroleumjelly]

Unvote: Lowell

, pretty fast five votes there. I wish it were humanly possible to present actual cases against people in this game, but there has been so much lurking and so little actual position-taking it is difficult to do.

Wouldn't mind a claim from Lowell soon, as well as who he suspects the most.

[SpamWise]

Do you think it would be worthwhile going no-lynch?

[petroleumjelly]

No. Then scum will probably try to kill me overnight. I would rather lynch scum before they have that chance. Besides, if we No-Lynch, I would probably just Vig Lowell at this point anyways, which rather goes against the point of No-Lynching.

Also, if there is a cult (which would be incredibly stupid since we are never told people's alignments, and I would thus have to kill Macros) giving them an extra night without fear of a lynch does us no good.

[petroleumjelly]

And to be honest, I

will

point out that Elaida isn't exactly a "good" character within the WoT Series. She is the Amyrlin of the White Tower, but during her reign, she has unseated and stilled Siuan Sanche and Leanne Whateverherlastnameis (makes me wonder why Siuan and Elaida would be Masons in the first place), kidnapped Rand Al'Thor, and is holding Egwene Al'Vera hostage (for proclaiming to be the true Amyrlin) within the White Tower with the intent to have her stilled (and perhaps executed). All and all, she is considered an antagonistic character, although it

has not

been shown whether she is working for the Dark Lord. Small plus points there.

Makes me wonder if I should slide you down a notch, actually, but I'll keep you as-is for now.

[petroleumjelly]

And okay:

I have since skimmed other games of Macros', and I have officially decided that:

He puts too many fricking scums in his games

.

For example, if you look at his Minas Tirith game, out of 22 players, 10 (count 'em TEN) players were scum.

Since we have about 8 dead scum so far... I would imagine there are probably 5-6 scum roaming about if Macros is consistent with his games. Hell if I know where their nightkills have gone. But I think I will play it safe.

Mass-claiming might be the way to go here. If we do mass-claim, I think I should be the person determining the order of claims (seeing as I

am

Rand Al'Thor and all, and if you disagree with me, I'll just Vig you anyways). Screw being "nice" to the scum just because I don't think they were given safe claims: the town has clearly earned this win already by what I believe is a 100% lynching record.

It's great to be crazy, sometimes. And in accordance with my post above,

FoS: SpamWise

.

Why

exactly did you bring up No-Lynching? I am genuinely curious.

[Anonymities]

Alright I'll fully roleclaim.

I am

Loial

the Ogier. I can stick people in my stedding during the night preventing them from using the one power (role blocking) and also protecting them from the one power (priest).

I recently (either the last night or the night before - not telling which) 'protected PJ' which is why I was immediately suspicious of his claim to be Rand al' Thor. Only when he said that his asha-man do the killing did it make sense. I blocked him, not the asha-man.

If the scum had tried to kill Rand (either the last night or the night before), then Rand would have been protected by me.

Oh ya, the reason I'm not telling which night is to keep the scum guessing. Who do they kill now *wink*.

[MrBuddyLee]

By the way, it's conceivable that Rand was given to PJ as a safe claim and that Rand's just not in this game at all. THAT would be an amazing twist, considering no one else was given a safeclaim. It's not terribly likely though, considering PJ's killed two people I was suspicious of as scum and has voted pretty well.

I think a massclaim might be a good idea at this point, and we should discuss whether investigative roles should look into PJ considering:

* he's killed every night
* confirming him will give us 100% confidence in his nightly vigs

[MrBuddyLee]

ps. Anonymities' roleclaim is credible.

[Skylink]

I don't think a roleclaim will be that smart. If we massclaim, the scum will have no choice but to impersonate some elses role, leading to rather than four highly likely and mostly confirmed scum, we will have 8 half suspicious players and the mafia will know EVERYTHING. The benifits don't seem to outweigh that, IMO.