Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Quilford]

VOTE: Wyrd

That was easy.

[Quilford]

tierce - nulltown
wyrd - scum
oversoul - nulltown
singer - null
zdenek - nullscum
alchemist - town
magister ludi - null
mathgirl - nullscum

[Quilford]

What's bullshit about it, Tierce?

[Quilford]

tierce - nulltown
wyrd - scum
oversoul - nulltown
singer - null
zdenek - nullscum
alchemist - town
magister ludi - null
mathgirl - nullscum

You made a dumb list like this early in RDR where you were scum.
Ever done it as town?

I didn't even realise I'd done it as scum, ever. The first time I ever remember doing it properly was petsPick: Animal Rescue (where literally all my reads were correct), and apart from Otters vs. Tigers vs. Sharks where I replaced in and therefore didn't get a chance to do it, I've gotten only Town Role PMs from then on, iirc.

Anyway, I'd like to hear from Tierce before I go any further.

[Quilford]

@Alchemist: It's funny you ask, actually. He's been asking a lot of questions which really drew my eye, and at first I thought he could be scum trying to look involved. But I think the questions demonstrate a deeper level of comprehension than typical scum ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS kind of thing, like ShadowGirl here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21379

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tierce - nulltown
wyrd - scum
oversoul - nulltown
singer - null
zdenek - nullscum
alchemist - town
magister ludi - null
mathgirl - nullscum

Add DDDP - town.

[Quilford]

Quil's recent post is bugging me because "I didn't even realise I'd done it as scum, ever" feels like a lil white lie. And who exactly were the mafia with Ghostlin in Animal Rescue: petsPick? Because I cant seem to find that info. I wanted to check the validity of Quil's claim because of my aforementioned bugging.

Anyone else think:

@Alchemist: It's funny you ask, actually. He's been asking a lot of questions which really drew my eye, and at first I thought he could be scum trying to look involved. But I think the questions demonstrate a deeper level of comprehension than typical scum ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS kind of thing, like ShadowGirl here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21379

Is a bit of a weird and overly-elaborate response? Its like he's going out of his way for Ludi to defend him/paint him in a positive light with a self-supporting premise (shadowgirl link).

Vote: Quilford

Your recent post is bugging me.

Do you know what a white lie is? Do you know that Red Dead Redemption -- the game Zdenek referred to where I had allegedly made a similar list -- is actually no longer on the site? Do you know that I have received town PMs in all games I didn't replace into since Animal Rescue, excluding Red Dead Redemption (HP & the Philosophers Stone, Open 369, Consulmaker III, beauty is only skin deep and Murder in the Louvre)? Do you know that Red Dead Redemption was lost to the crash? Do you know that I can't even remember whether or not I replaced out of Red Dead Redemption (looking at my scum QT it turns out I did, MoI replaced me)? Is it not entirely plausible that from a game HALF A FUCKING YEAR AGO THAT I REPLACED OUT OF THAT HAS BEEN WIPED FROM THE SITE I might not remember whether or not I made an early reads post?

Do you think I would lie about a game that has an archive linked in one of the very last posts in the thread? Do you think I would lie about a game that still has several active players on site? Do you think I would lie about my reads in a game that I knew anyone could check easily just to boost my ego and give myself townpoints?

Do you think that townies should be as helpful as possible when asked about their read on another player? Do you think that is a genuine read of mine? Do you think my description of Ludi's actions is accurate? If so, do you think the conclusions I draw can be extrapolated from his actions? If so, do you think that linking posts to help explain my conclusions is a good idea?

Go away.

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One moment.

[Quilford]

Quilford, explain your reads on mathgirl in this game and Lewacher in Animal Rescue.

Not until I finish with Tierce, sorry.

[Quilford]

Ugh, I didn't want to get agro this early. Fuck.

[Quilford]

What's bullshit about it, Tierce?

Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players as

null

out of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.

I am an absurd person, then. I've done it in almost every single game I've played for ages as town, if I remember correctly. It produces useful reactions and usually gets the game out of RVS. And I was just listing everyone who posted for completeness.

I have a massive scum read on you now though, thanks. You remind me of VPB when he encountered me doing it. VOTE: Tierce

[Quilford]

Quilford, explain your reads on mathgirl in this game and Lewacher in Animal Rescue.

okay so

mathgirl was nullscum because of the phrasing "not very town" (yes, most of the reads in that post were based off very small gut feelings)

and lewarcher in animal rescue (i have no idea why you're asking, i want an explanation) was town in my early reads post in that game because of his comment about llamas (:P) then vi raised good points^TM against him and i went along with that, then his claim made me agonise and i ended up not being on his lynch.

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i think tammy is pretty okay for now tbh

[Quilford]

What's bullshit about it, Tierce?

Making a list like this at the stage in the game when you made it (Post 22) as town is absurd, especially when you bother listing players as

null

out of RVS votes. Town doesn't really find a need to classify players they don't yet have a read on, while scum would be more likely to present null-reads to show 'effort'.

I am an absurd person, then. I've done it in almost every single game I've played for ages as town, if I remember correctly. It produces useful reactions and usually gets the game out of RVS. And I was just listing everyone who posted for completeness.

I have a massive scum read on you now though, thanks. You remind me of VPB when he encountered me doing it. VOTE: Tierce

You claim you do this kind of thing for reactions, and then get surprised when people have... reactions? I thought the list was out of place and called you on it. What is scummy about my reaction? I am not VP Baltar; don't attribute his

rather awesome

scumplay to me.

I do this kind of thing for reactions, and then lynch people who exhibit scummy reactions (i.e. yours).

Your reaction is scummy because you reacted.

[Quilford]

Quillford

In Post 39 You are answering a question about Ludi and his questions. Why did you link to a game that didn't have Ludi in it as a comparison of Ludi's behavior in this game?

It wasn't a comparison, it was an example.

What about your play had been agro up to Post 47?

Post 45.

[Quilford]

Also iirc I thought LLD was town reading through.

I don't really feel that fantastic about this game atm.

[Quilford]

UNVOTE:

Yeah, my vote definitely doesn't belong on Tierce.

VOTE: Wyrd

Something seems out of place.

(Yeah this is a crapvote, it's late and I'm typing this in bed so gimme a break.)

[Quilford]

No, Quil. Fate didn't need to admit that townread on me--it was before the game, and if he didn't bring it up, it would 1) look bad for me to do so and 2) perfectly fine for Wyrd. They went out of their way to present a logical obvtown read on me with new reasoning. They are town.

::fairenough::

UNVOTE:

I really don't know who to vote for atm. D:

[Quilford]

@Quil

Why you been lurkin so much bro?

School, sleep, no mobile data.

Pretty sure I told you to go away, comply immediately please.

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People I have vague, negative feelings about: {Alchemist, dramonic, Duplicity, Gammagooey, Haze, Hinduragi, implosion, MaguaofIllusion, MathGirl277, singersigner, Tammy, Tierce, ToastyToast}
People my mind blanks on: {Teleporting Speed Hippos, Katsuki, Nexus, Oman, UberNinja}
People I have vague, positive feelings about: {Debonair Danny DiPietro, Glork, Lady Lambdadelta, Magister Ludi, Nikanor, Oversoul, GreyICE, SpyreX, Wyrd, Zdenek}

I will look over stuff soonish.

[Quilford]

Hold it.

Nikanor, where did you get the impression that Katsuki hates playing scum?

What?

Where was this said?

[Quilford]

vote toastytoast

Hurr.

[Quilford]

pretty promise to post here. birthday soo

[Quilford]

Oman
Toasty

[Quilford]

Sorry, I'm just a Vanilla Townie. Tanith.

Kinda predicted this.

[Quilford]

Yeah. 64 page Day 1s are terrible. No deadline is even worse.

[Quilford]

Whatever you say, genius.

[Quilford]

Right.

[Quilford]

Tierce is scum guys, just btw

[Quilford]

I'm not voting Tierce because of a lack of contribution. I'm voting her because of how she justified her vote on me.

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Glork: obviously.

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Tierce, do you think an L-14 bandwagon on you would be going anywhere? Kindly fuck off.

[Quilford]

@Quilford: Huh, you're not even voting me to begin with, you're voting ToastyToast, so where is this "I'm voting Tierce" coming from...?

Notice the 'would'.

My justification for my vote on you is: "I think you're likely to flip town, I'm pretty sure you're useless anyway, refer to not-giving-two-damns-about-defending-shit-town, you can eat rope."

Not defending shit town =/= attacking shit town.

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Now that we've accepted I'm probtown, how about we put down the noose and back off.

[Quilford]

;-;