TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Ugh, I am actually in danger of getting mislynched again.

You can still do the "post up a storm" thing if you're town, right? And why the "again" here?

[Llamarble]

It wasn't inadequate, it just took a bit more time than usual to find, which wasn't something that stuck as an important part of the metaing experience. I was extremely unspecific about the metaing I did. Do you really believe I'd go back and look things up again and then give as minimal specifics as I did about it?

I said I was in danger of being mislynched, not that it will actually happen.
I don't really have the spare time to masspost but I really really hate getting lynched.
I got mislynched in Nomination Mafia and Bedtime stories. I had gotten really used to not ever getting lynched prior to that.

@Llamarble...what makes CES's vote/push on Shea any different than mine? I never once moved my vote after that and pushed rather consistently/hard, yet that doesn't seem to be a problem for you.

This argument was entirely retarded and I have explained why it was so. If you are unsatisfied then explain why and I shall go into greater detail.

Though I do agree with wondering why Llamarble felt the need to specify that he could provide "proof" of his absence...

I third that notion.

VOTE: Llmarble

This argument was entirely retarded and I have explained why it was so. If you are unsatisfied then explain why and I shall go into greater detail.

I'd rather hear from Llamarble first before I make judgment on him.

I've heard a lot in the silence that has been coming from him since the end of day 1.

I did not have access. I flew from here to MA, drove to Maine from there and back, flew to CA for awhile and had basically zero access, then flew back. I saw my sister graduate and helped her move, played F2F mafia, foosball, got interviewed by the AP, helped hang 300 keys from a breezeway for a Harry potter puzzle and helped set up a lazer maze. I played starfarers of Catan, Dominion, caught up with people I hadn't seen in a year, went to a ball, Caught up with Family, lost basically all excess weight from sheer activity, found 3 people interested in joining my company, saw an a capella concert, and various other things. It's not like I was posting elsewhere on the site.

Scum want to be on losing wagons that they can look like they legitimately believe in, and voting lurkers who are likely to show up and push the lynch away are good options for that.

I posit to you that the shealynch would've gone through if Amrun hadn't been V/LA at the end there, so I very much question the relevance of this.

You can get more basic than that and say his vote was key in getting Amrun lynched and in avoiding Shealynch.

TSQ's own vote wasn't even needed, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It wasn't inadequate, it just took a bit more time than usual to find, which wasn't something that stuck as an important part of the metaing experience. I was extremely unspecific about the metaing I did. Do you really believe I'd go back and look things up again and then give as minimal specifics as I did about it?

If you believe I'm scum here, then it's fairly obvious it's inadequate since my play here is distinctly different + year old meta is just not that reliable in general? And yes, I do believe that; it looks townier to look like you didn't look it up.

@Llamarble...what makes CES's vote/push on Shea any different than mine? I never once moved my vote after that and pushed rather consistently/hard, yet that doesn't seem to be a problem for you.

This argument was entirely retarded and I have explained why it was so. If you are unsatisfied then explain why and I shall go into greater detail.

? You answered this in #1002 and your answer was certainly meaningful enough to justify the question.

[Llamarble]

Ugh, I am actually in danger of getting mislynched again.

You can still do the "post up a storm" thing if you're town, right? And why the "again" here?

Why do you think that I am scum?
Regfan dying makes sense from almost anybody, which is about the extent of what you've said D2.
Your D1 stuff is all just disagreeing with me or claiming I haven't analyzed your motivations accurately.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Is quoting acting up for you?

Shallow scumhunting is the big one for me. Your reasoning has consistently been too simplistic. With respect to me specifically, but it already started with your first post. You have also felt off at times, pushed wrong wagons and I have barely see you try to engage me despite being your stated #1 suspect for significant parts of the game.

[Llamarble]

It wasn't inadequate, it just took a bit more time than usual to find, which wasn't something that stuck as an important part of the metaing experience. I was extremely unspecific about the metaing I did. Do you really believe I'd go back and look things up again and then give as minimal specifics as I did about it?

If you believe I'm scum here, then it's fairly obvious it's inadequate since my play here is distinctly different + year old meta is just not that reliable in general? And yes, I do believe that; it looks townier to look like you didn't look it up.

@Llamarble...what makes CES's vote/push on Shea any different than mine? I never once moved my vote after that and pushed rather consistently/hard, yet that doesn't seem to be a problem for you.

This argument was entirely retarded and I have explained why it was so. If you are unsatisfied then explain why and I shall go into greater detail.

? You answered this in #1002 and your answer was certainly meaningful enough to justify the question.

I don't think your play here is as different as you seem to. Older meta isn't nonuseful.
You think that I went back and looked things up but did not notice that they happened a long time ago?? what?

As for the second part I was looking up why people are voting me.
I meant that it was dumb when understood as a reason I was scum, not that it was a useless question.

I'm not sure what you mean about quoting acting up.

I don't feel that my reasoning has been overly simplistic, but it is true that I have not had the time to dig as deep as I normally like to. I'm starting to get there now though.
I've been on a lot of different wagons, now including both of your favorite ones other than me?
I've talked about you quite a bit. Not quite as much to you as about, but I was already starting to run low on time when the 'I should be pushing a lynch' time was going on yesterday.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I don't think your play here is as different as you seem to. Older meta isn't nonuseful.
You think that I went back and looked things up but did not notice that they happened a long time ago?? what?

I think the difference between my scum play then and now is bigger than the difference between my scum and town meta, so yeah. And I didn't say the latter.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I've been on a lot of different wagons, now including both of your favorite ones other than me?

It's going to take more than a little distancing to get on my good side.

[Llamarble]

Me: Do you really believe I'd go back and look things up again and then give as minimal specifics as I did about it?
You: I do believe that; it looks townier to look like you didn't look it up.
Given this and the fact that it is fairly clear I did not immediately recall how long ago the games were, you did say that.
Perhaps you meant something else?

I am not seeking to get on your good side.
I am pointing out that you saying my wagon choices have been bad doesn't make a lot of sense.
What beyond OMGUS did you mean when you said that?

Dr Who isn't insanely long ago and you have several behaviors that felt like here.
Snarky terse posting, 'nope' type posts, a scumteam call, and some vote yup let's lynch x stuff.
I didn't get any "Oh I'm wrong about this he doesn't do his townie things here as scum" from your meta so much as 'ok this pretty much fits with what he can fake', which is most of what I use meta for.

Zach's mafia world looks different than that. You are thinking about things instead of distilling down to the most basic things that you do. Certainly more different from your play this game than Dr Who.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: Benmage
THIS IS THE PATH.
Benmage has been passive all game after shifting his reads list around some on D1.
He keeps his vote on CES without pushing, CES lists him as scum without voting him.

Ben

, can you explain the Amrun, Johhog, CES and Socio town reads for me?

CES for his reasoning why Johhog is town, double confirmed them both.
Amrun because he feels genuine. I mean shit he looks real obvious.
SP gut.

He didn't read what CES said about Johhog carefully but called both of them clear town for it.
He has been buddying me for unclear reasons all game.
I haven't had access enough to be obvllamatown till now.
And he does love being scum.

Can I get some more Benmage votes or responses?
He just put poked some reads around early D1 like unwanted food and then did not care who we lynched.
And that lack of interest was despite the lynch being between Amrun and TSQ,

both of whom were in his remainder pile after labeling everybody else town.

I don't buy that much disinterest in this game being real, particularly with partners like Yos and MoS who care a lot about mafia.
Whose reads on this game we have seen nothing of, for that matter.

The whole waking the dragon thing feels like scum saying "I am going to lurk until I run up and then smash people in the face trying not to get lynched," and for some reason you should think this is town behavior.

[Nachomamma8]

Zach, do you have recent scum meta of you as a lone wolf?

Please stop intentionally or unintentionally ignoring my questions.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho can wait til tomorrow even though I'm grumpy that this slot is getting away yet again.

Do you find me scum because I'm voting Zach?

even though I thoroughly disagree

Just because he was the first to bring up Shea was posting elsewhere?

Also, regardless of which games you looked at exactly, I'm pretty sure my play this game would compare positively to scum games of mine from a year back.

Wait, why?

which pretty much confirms me as town simply because I don't play off the top of my head as scum when I don't recall something clearly. When I'm scum, I am very good at reconstructing a clear thought process behind everything.

Would you self-meta as scum?

Can I get some more Benmage votes or responses?

Why Benmage and not Socio?

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.12

Llamarble (4) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Captain Falcon, Zachrulez, singersigner
Benmage (2) - Johhog, Llamarble
Zachrulez (2) - Nachomamma8, Bub Bidderskins
Bub Bidderskins (1) - SocioPath
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Benmage

Not Voting (1) - Matias

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, June 3, 2012, at 7:08 PM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

Captain Falcon has been prodded.

[Zachrulez]

Zach, do you have recent scum meta of you as a lone wolf?

Please stop intentionally or unintentionally ignoring my questions.

What does this mean? A game where I was the only remaining scum? You'd have to go WAY back if that's what you're asking.

[Nachomamma8]

Zach, do you have recent scum meta of you as a lone wolf?

Please stop intentionally or unintentionally ignoring my questions.

What does this mean? A game where I was the only remaining scum? You'd have to go WAY back if that's what you're asking.

Where you were scum as Zachrulez, and not hydraing with Sotty.

[Oversoul]

Zach, do you have recent scum meta of you as a lone wolf?

Please stop intentionally or unintentionally ignoring my questions.

What does this mean? A game where I was the only remaining scum? You'd have to go WAY back if that's what you're asking.

Where you were scum as Zachrulez, and not hydraing with Sotty.

For the record, Paranoia Mafia, Sotty never posted in the Scum QT and Zach said that he would be alone, but left the chance open for Sotty to join if she felt like it.

Sotty at that time had also proclaimed she was not going to join anymore games so that supports my belief.

I don't know if they discussed the game outside of the quicktopic though.

[Captain Falcon]

Zach, do you have recent scum meta of you as a lone wolf?

Please stop intentionally or unintentionally ignoring my questions.

What does this mean? A game where I was the only remaining scum? You'd have to go WAY back if that's what you're asking.

Where you were scum as Zachrulez, and not hydraing with Sotty.

For the record, Paranoia Mafia, Sotty never posted in the Scum QT and Zach said that he would be alone, but left the chance open for Sotty to join if she felt like it.

Sotty at that time had also proclaimed she was not going to join anymore games so that supports my belief.

I don't know if they discussed the game outside of the quicktopic though.

Damn it!

Alt slip and prodded. I could have sworn I posted yesterday.

[Captain Falcon]

I got mislynched in Nomination Mafia and Bedtime stories. I had gotten really used to not ever getting lynched prior to that.

How in any way is that pertinent? That comment about getting mislynched again does not look like it was added spontaneously or posted "off the top of my [your] head".

That looks like an engineered placement of a sentence.

[Benmage]

So i promise to fix my shit this weekend. My games/games alive in has drastically reduced.

[Llamarble]

Engineered placement of a sentence? What would even be the point of that?
It was added when I realized there was actually a legitimate possibility of me being lynched today.
Also why are you voting me and what do you think of Benmage?

Can I get some more Benmage votes or responses?

Why Benmage and not Socio?

Did you even read the sentences immediately before and after that one?

[Llamarble]

which pretty much confirms me as town simply because I don't play off the top of my head as scum when I don't recall something clearly. When I'm scum, I am very good at reconstructing a clear thought process behind everything.

Would you self-meta as scum?

I self metaed as scum in Consulmaker mafia and then said that I only use self-meta as town, but that game has been eaten by the void. I generally self meta pretty heavily when I've been run up and am running through the reasons I should be seen as town.

If you think mescum planned out intentionally saying things off the top of my head instead of refreshing my memory and then using the meta that I only behave that way as town, that is ridiculous.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

A bit silly if you did both as part of plan, but doing the one first and then the other seems perfectly viable.

I am not seeking to get on your good side.
I am pointing out that you saying my wagon choices have been bad doesn't make a lot of sense.
What beyond OMGUS did you mean when you said that?

I do very much count the Amrunwagon against you. From my perspective you most definitely have been an anti-town force this game.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Dr Who isn't insanely long ago and you have several behaviors that felt like here.
Snarky terse posting, 'nope' type posts, a scumteam call, and some vote yup let's lynch x stuff.
I didn't get any "Oh I'm wrong about this he doesn't do his townie things here as scum" from your meta so much as 'ok this pretty much fits with what he can fake', which is most of what I use meta for.

That scum team call was totally not meant to be serious. I guess it'd be adequate if you were just looking to see if I could fake my tone but shouldn't that knowledge have osmosised its way into your brain before? It's kinda obvious given how long I've played at 'scum too.

Zach's mafia world looks different than that. You are thinking about things instead of distilling down to the most basic things that you do. Certainly more different from your play this game than Dr Who.

You should be the most well-placed to notice that I very much have been thinking about things. But this "distilling down to the most basic things that

do" is something I did back then as scum, much more than now.

Also, regardless of which games you looked at exactly, I'm pretty sure my play this game would compare positively to scum games of mine from a year back.

Wait, why?

I had a more unrefined bandwagonny "I don't care, people can't read me anyway" scum style back then.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

P.S. the notion that MoS being on benmage's team is somehow incongruous with him being useless is nonsensical. And the person I'd most expect to care would be benmage if he were scum.

[Equinox]

Matias has been prodded.