The game of the year: town won!

mykonian · Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 8:55 am

votecount

chevre (6): thetrollie, uberninja, callforjudgement, Lowman, nobody special, Fritzler
nobody special (4): theamatuer, Trevor, Kondi2424, Staeg
kondi2424 (3): Zdenek, Zajnet, RedFF
amrun (2): BBmolla, spyrex
PeregrineV (2): Hoopla, zoraster
lowman (1): amrun
Spyrex (1): mattP
BBmolla (1): syndromeofadown
zoraster (1): PeregrineV

redFF · Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 9:12 am

All the good players are scum or have given up, so the thread is dominated by Uberninja and Kondi. Fine lynch Chevre, but then lynch Kondi, look how long his wagon took to form and look how it's dissipated since the chevre wagon came up. The chevre wagon could be a scum lynch (I doubt it though) because of the chance of multiple scum teams, but even if it is, it's not difficult to see that it is a scum led wagon, look at its speed and who's on it lol.

Lynch Kondi next. Or don't listen to me like you have been for the entirety of this game and keep lynching town and lose by day 4.

Nobody Special · Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 9:15 am

In post 1968, Chevre wrote:

Nobody Special's voting record isn't the greatest:
He first votes IceGuy pre-mime discovery, which isn't too bad. He actually gives reasons.
He then switches to UberNinja, with his only reasoning being that he wanted Trevor to "inexplicably die."
He then switches to Luffy, and even admits that he is sheeping SpyreX.
He then switches to LowMan, in what simply appears to be an attempt to spite UberNinja, who said LowMan wasn't getting lynched.
He switches back to Luffy, still with no reasoning. When Luffy is lynched, he switches to UberNinja, with no further reasoning provided.
He then switches to kondi2424, with no reasoning.
And now he switches to me, in what appears to be sheeping, because he didn't provide any reasons.

Nobody Special:
Why do you think me, kondi2424, and UberNinja are scum? If you have reasons, why did you not say these reasons in the posts in which you voted them?

Okay, this is a Big Fucking Game with LOTS OF POSTS. It's hard to keep up, it's hard to keep things straight. I did give a reason for UN; she's scummy. Directing lynches like she's all that and a bag of chips.

kondi is scummy because he's not doing any real scumhunting, just sheeping everyone else. You're scum because you just popped in after you got a couple votes.

Oh, and now, Trollie is scummy because he just completed a near-perfect game as scum, and he's acting much the same way here.

Everyone's foaming at the mouth trying to lynch everyone who overjustifies, and now you're trying to lynch me for not providing reasons (which I clearly did).

Sure, I'm scum, lynch me.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 9:49 am

/existence post
not planning to grind in for a few more days.

TheTrollie · Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 9:51 am

In post 1977, Nobody Special wrote:Oh, and now, Trollie is scummy because he just completed a near-perfect game as scum, and he's acting much the same way here.

just out of curiosity and self-interest do you mind telling me what you think is similar about my play in that game and this one (that was my first game so i dont really know my own playstyle yet)

i kinda dont want to respond to this because i feel like it will carry more weight when someone else explains why this logic is flawed, but at the same time i think its important this is said: That was my one complete game (besides some marathon games). There is no way to know what elements of my playstyle in that game were because I was scum, and what were just part of my playstyle. at least I dont think (ill give you a hint though: the similarities are a result of my playstyle

)

TheTrollie · Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 9:54 am

In post 1976, redFF wrote:The chevre wagon could be a scum lynch (I doubt it though)
because of the chance of multiple scum teams
, but even if it is, it's not difficult to see that it is a scum led wagon, look at its speed and who's on it lol.

scumslip maybe? seems to be saying "chevre isn't on

my scumteam

, but he still may flip scum if there is another team"

Nobody Special · Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 9:56 am

Trollie: You're playing very town, which is rather hard to encapsulate, but it's so similar to your playstyle in the game I linked that I would not at all be surprised if you're scum here, too.

redFF · Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 9:59 am

In post 1980, TheTrollie wrote:
In post 1976, redFF wrote:The chevre wagon could be a scum lynch (I doubt it though)
because of the chance of multiple scum teams
, but even if it is, it's not difficult to see that it is a scum led wagon, look at its speed and who's on it lol.

scumslip maybe? seems to be saying "chevre isn't on
my scumteam
, but he still may flip scum if there is another team"

God you're retarded.

TheTrollie · Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:04 am

not retarded...now i see what you meant but the way you said it was not the best way to say what u meant...

what you meant, i think, is that you are working off of the ASSUMPTION that it is a scum-lead wagon, and you are saying that we still may get a scum flip on chevre even if it is scum-lead because the scum on the wagon can be from the other team.

yeah, ok, fine. they could also be on his team bussing. or they can be town. the argument you need to be making is why the wagon is scum lead, then if chevre flips scum you can say well the wagon can be filled with scum from another team.

redFF · Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:16 am

I'm saying there's a small chance chevre is actually scum yes, but only if there were multiple scumteams.

UberNinja · Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:20 am

NS feels waaaaay more town after that quip about TheTrollie. Thanks for that link, btw

Trollie, igmeoy

kondi2424 · Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:49 am

Fuck this game.

syndromeofadown · Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:49 am

In post 1581, BBmolla wrote:I lied, three mafia, one town.
Still a playstyle thing.

Yes, 3 mafia, 1 town. I didn't say it was a solid 100% scumtell, but you've proven my point that it comes from scum more than town. Playstyle... maybe. But I don't know how much more "playstyle" I can take from you before it starts wearing on my suspicion, which lately you have been to be honest.

Post 1608 - YYR. Don't know what it is, but this post gives me scummy vibes simply because simply because saying "lynch me if you really want to" while at L-7 and pressure is dissolving seems like he's overly paranoid and may be trying to get people to unvote him since spyrex said the same thing and somehow magically his wagon dissolved.

Don't feel like quoting the posts since its a lot of back and forth, but MattP's pressure on kondi is good, and kondi's defense feels like handwaving and pretty much trying to discredit Matt. ("you honestly suck at this game" "look at my scum record I can't be scum")

Post 1707Still not liking petapan. He posts IIOA, gets called out on it, responds with ad hominem attacks and this post feels like an excuse to lurk. His next posts aren't any better, see Post 1708, Post 1841. If he's not scum he's entirely useless to town.

Post 1902Callforjudgment Can you post thing specifically you don't like about him? How about an actual case or specific post you don't like. Actually, this goes to everyone voting Chevre. Just saying "look at his ISO it's bad" is not a good reason.

In post 1927, UberNinja wrote:@ syndrome, theamateur, Staeg, your 1-person wagons are pretty useless. Whether they're scum or not, if you're not actively campaigning for their lynch while wasting your vote on them, you're doing it wrong and you need to switch to a better wagon. I recommend switching to Chevre.

BBMolla wasn't a 1 person wagon when I joined it, I just haven't been keeping up with the thread. Also, I generally like to keep my vote on whoever I think is scummiest at the time and disregard wagons unless it's close to deadline, but I can see that probably won't work in a game this large. Also I'm not voting Chevre, I think he's probably town haven't seen any good reason to vote him. I like kondi wagon better

VOTE: Kondi

callforjudgement · Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:52 am

In post 1987, syndromeofadown wrote:Post 1902Callforjudgment Can you post thing specifically you don't like about him? How about an actual case or specific post you don't like. Actually, this goes to everyone voting Chevre. Just saying "look at his ISO it's bad" is not a good reason.

In summary, short fluffy one-liners early, disappears for a while, then starts posting walls which are pretty much walls for the sake of walls. He's got a little better recently, though.

MattP · Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:54 am

VOTE: kondi

redFF · Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:57 am

In post 1986, kondi2424 wrote:Fuck this game.

Leave and never come back, you won't be missed.

kondi2424 · Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:58 am

Just fuck off already!

MattP · Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 10:59 am

Redff I would like to neuter you. Shut your little obnoxious trap.

kondi2424 · Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 11:02 am

I'm not playing with this asshole anymore. Lynch me, then lynch NS. NS

IS

scum.

kondi2424 · Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 11:03 am

VOTE: kondi

kondi2424 · Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 11:05 am

I used an alt so I wouldn't have to deal with his shit, and that was the only reason. I figured he would be PL'd before I was outed.

MattP · Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 11:05 am

I know I'm indecisive but kondi is town he wouldn't give red the satisfaction of knowing he was right and his last post would do that.

unvote:kondi

MattP · Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 11:05 am

Post 1993 that is

kondi2424 · Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 11:08 am

No. Unless someone has a dayvig directed at red's face, I'm getting lynched today.

SpyreX · Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Mon May 28, 2012 11:13 am

Spoiler: Day 1

Spoiler: Day 2

I'm not doing in-depth analysis on them right now. D1 is an interesting mix on the early days and cross reference that later.

I can't believe I'm going to attempt this but heeere we go after reading ALL THE ISOS and taking time to say at least something where relevant:

Spoiler: OHH SNAP READS

NOW is the point in the game when that death pile needs to be dealt with - while lynches are still cheap and plentiful. If I was the robot overlord controlling the votes at least half the lynches would go to directly that each day until its gone and real business can start.

Aside from that there is more than enough town reads to flat out

control the wagons

. Pick targets and wipe it clean. Midgame needs to move hard and fast and clear out the chaff to get down to serious business.

This Chevre wagon is space bad and I while I'd love to say I was flabbergasted I'm not. Wolves circling again and those particular wolves doesn't surprise me. BUT I DO NOT WANT THAT GOING THROUGH.

So, here's the deal and I am flat out gangster serious because I'm not going down for a kill list read:

I want this lynch to be either me or Hoopla. Period. However, I'm not voting. This is 100% external.
FURTHER, if you dont lynch me, right or wrong, you are saying "SpyreX you are confirmed town and only scum would vote for you" and I damn well will OMGUS vote any damn one who does it.
DOUBLE FURTHER, if you dont lynch either of us I will literally just throw hammers down on anyone for the rest of the game and that will be the absolute extent of my contribution.

So, there you go. You have every reason to lynch me BUT IF YOU DONT then lets pull this onto the fast track to awesome.
And, if you do, please at least pay attention to the gargantuan amount of words. VCA with this being non-majority and multilynch isn't as useful now as normal but its still something. Enterprising young bucks can, more importantly, inspect the wagons that ran up and then DIDNT result in a lynch because early game here that's gonna be more telling on the why they didn't.