The game of the year: town won!

[MattP]

Matt, you honestly suck at this game. Which is sad, because I thought you were good at first.

Nope, you're scum. And all your ways of dealing with me feeling that way about you don't help (are you high, look at my scum record, and now that I scum). YOU suck, whatever the fuck your alignment is. Your tactics are terrible. And if you're town you are bad town cuz you don't know how to look like it.

[MattP]

now that I suck*

[Zdenek]

Unvote
Vote Luffy

[SpyreX]

That looks like 9.

Where's mr smarmageddon now.

ACTUALLY, I want this hammer.

Unvote.

Totally promise I wont immediately hammer if someone else votes.

[kondi2424]

Matt, normally people respond to counters to cases instead of going "nope ur scum not listening cuz ur scum i dont respond to scum". Regardless of alignment.

[kondi2424]

Okay, I'm sorry Matt. I got too personal. But seriously, at least LOOK at my explanation and respond as to why I'm still scum because of it.

[MattP]

So yes, you are misunderstanding. I voted Luffy believing that he would not die when he was lynched, as I assumed he had claimed that. You assumed that I was scum for the opportunistic vote, and when I explained it a SECOND time, you ignored it once again and declared me caught. Hence why I called you crazy and pointed at my stats, which show that even if the vote was opportunistic, it would be unlikely for me as scum.

Why would you try to lynch someone who you think could not be lynched?

If that's true then it wasn't an opportunistic vote, it was just a stupid one, but it WAS an unnecessarily wordy vote and that's scummy.

I think you calling me high as a retort instead of being level-headed, you pointing to your stats, and your personal attack are all scummy (and I don't always think personal attacks are scummy).

[Trevor]

Hello there, Luffy is a bad lynch, as I think he is town. Why does it seem like only the most outspoken people are in consideration for a lynch?

Fos on Nobody Special. I appreciate you not wanting to lynch me, but is this seriously the reason you changed?

Well, I was all set to vote Trevor over the CFJ votecount fiasco thing.

Then I saw THIS scumbuffet:

Trevor dying inexplicably would be grand.

GRAND, I tell you.

I swear, UN, you get scummier every time I play with you. Eat some rope.

I think UN is likely scum. That post is definitely not what convinces me, or what should convince anyone else.

[kondi2424]

@Matt: So you have me making a wordy vote and a personal attack as why I'm scum. Fair enough, but both of those are things that are arguably not scumtells.

Lets have a civilized conversation. Could you explain what was scummy about my personal attack?

[Zdenek]

Trevor, why did you unvote Peregrine?

[Trevor]

:

To place my vote on YYR.

[mykonian]

votecount

luffy (7): staeg, TechnoWC, rhinox, BBmolla, Nobody special, mattP, zdenek
lowman (4): amrun, elmo teh azn, luffy, PeregrineV
BBmolla (3): theamateur, zajnet, syndromeofadown
YYR (2): RedFF, trevor
PeregrineV (2): Hoopla, zoraster
Trevor (1): uberninja
RedFF (1): Lowman
Spyrex (1): callforjudgement
zdenek (1): Hoopla

[BBmolla]

That looks like 9.

Where's mr smarmageddon now.

ACTUALLY, I want this hammer.

Unvote.

Totally promise I wont immediately hammer if someone else votes.

...

SpyreX are you some third party hammerer.

[MattP]

@Matt: So you have me making a wordy vote and a personal attack as why I'm scum. Fair enough, but both of those are things that are arguably not scumtells.

Lets have a civilized conversation. Could you explain what was scummy about my personal attack?

Saying "are you high" is a way of trying to make a person with points against you look stupid or to shut them up. That's scummy.

[Amrun]

go lowman lynch go

luffy is probably town

too tired for anything else

[Zdenek]

:

To place my vote on YYR.

Okay, so what is the deal with the "lists" of Peregrine you were talking about? I don't know what you are referring to.

[Trevor]

If Mimes are a threat to town, then by all means let's mime-hunt. Otherwise, aside from screwing up vote count analysis (if those are even possible in a game this size), they should be scumhunting and are more annoyance than threat.

Rhinox plan is good, and he'll stay a town read for it.
I think the portion of the plan people are missing is that each group will be looked at closely by all players, and focus should be on that group for a few days. This does not preclude you from scumhunting elsewhere, but it will be the FOCUS group.
If that's too much to think about, consider it multi-tasking. Scumhunt everybody while simultaneously scumhunting in that group.

Am down with the TML lynch, but he's climbing back up from the

scumpool

, and I have no probelem letting him contiue redeeming himself.

However, Rhinox votes are bad.

Vote: Dramonic

If we were to do it it would need to be a somewhat of a democracy.

Thats how it would work in practice. No one is really going to be OK with 1 person deciding who we're lynching and then

baaaaaaa~aaa~aa~

. Its more like, this group of people makes the decisions, and you don't lynch from within that group until thats all who's left. Basically steamroll everyone else and hit most of the scum even though you pancake some townies as well in the process - assuming those making up the group are reasonably better than random at figuring out who's town.

pedit: tbone invite hoopla into the club before she ruins all the fun.

This. I would consider a

in-thread masonry

with TBone, Rhinox, & TechNow. Future additions pending.

Not voting the top 6 wagons.

would also prefer to cull the non-posting.

Someone had a good list.

Adding Kariyou to my town list.

This. I would consider a in-thread masonry with TBone, Rhinox, & TechNow, Wednesday Muffin, Kairyuu

Still stick by this.

Add Amrun to my list.

More later, but some are tricky (spryeX, etc.)

Also, Kondi=Muffin?
That's cool.

Don't be mad you got caught Trevor. Just don't vote obtown like Rhinox next time when they suggest non-random lynching.

And argument by repetition? Perhaps you should include it in your sig....

Everything bolded, Zdenek.

[Fritzler]

Hey guys, I am back from V/LA. Anything I need to know? Who are we lynching.

[kondi2424]

@Matt: So you have me making a wordy vote and a personal attack as why I'm scum. Fair enough, but both of those are things that are arguably not scumtells.

Lets have a civilized conversation. Could you explain what was scummy about my personal attack?

Saying "are you high" is a way of trying to make a person with points against you look stupid or to shut them up. That's scummy.

I thought you understood what I was saying about why I decided to vote Luffy, so I didn't get what you were saying at all. Hence, the "are you high" stuff.

[Amrun]

Hey guys, I am back from V/LA. Anything I need to know? Who are we lynching.

LOWMAN

VOTE LOWMAN

[SpyreX]

6? How the hell was I that off? I'll check it when I get home.

I just want the hammer because of the smarm. I ant to make him bleed

[MattP]

I thought you understood what I was saying about why I decided to vote Luffy, so I didn't get what you were saying at all. Hence, the "are you high" stuff.

I understand WHY you said it, I just understand it from a scum perspective.

[kondi2424]

If Luffy had some sort of lynch immunity, what would be the point of NOT voting him?

[TeChNoWC]

Whereabouts did you post this? I may have missed it

Here:

why the fuck do you want me lynched, but you're voting t-bone, who was also voting for me?

looool

So, why are you suggesting I should be buddying?

Sorry, but

a person who is randomly blocking

and another who is suggesting that we go on the day randomly lynching people

can

both be scummy. Why is it wrong to want both of you on the witch burning list?

Not sure I like the T-Bone wagon. Is everyone hating on him for taking charge of town? Not something I mind, eagerness is better than sneakiness, and someone who can keep track of this game is a valuable asset.

No, everyone is hating him because of his failed and awkward attempt to take charge of town.

Also, it's not a valuable asset to comfirm town all the way at the beginning of day 1 without explanations, and then throwing some scummy list and saying these are the people that should be lynched

.

That first quote snuck past my radar, and going over my claim that you called T-Bone a 'strong townread' is probably inaccurate; rather, you said HE TRIED. I still don't think your reasoning was adequate to ride T-Bone, but that doesn't necessarily make you scum. I still have my suspicions but with the way this wagon has kicked off (and you are right, I see little to no reasoning against you other than the reasoning I presented, which screams mafia mislynch plot strikes again), I don't feel good lynching you at this stage.

I am going to

Unvote

Kondis vote on luffy is scum trying to justify an opportunistic mislynch by over explaining himself. Discuss.

This caught my attention, and while I'm not buying the crap that MattP is 'defo town', Kondi's vote just sucked and seemed like even an admittance that he was jumping on the bandwagon purely to garner a mislynch. It's almost a scumclaim right there.

Vote: Kondi

Kondi, what is your read on Luffy? Have you posted any reads on him prior to this post?? If you were trying to call Luffy's bluff, weren't you afraid that a town could get mislynched from you trying to prove him wrong??? What if he got hammered while you were away? I see no indication of you unvoting, you just seem happy to lynch someone who, from what I can recall, wasn't even on your scumdar.

[kondi2424]

You didn't even fucking read the last two pages of the game, did you?