New York 152 Niiightless Game Over!

[Hiraki]

@Hiraki: NS is unreadable to me and I don't want that

Exactly the point.

You lynch scum.

Not unreadable people.

[BK201]

Well I would lynch Kassadin in any possible situation.

[Hiraki]

Kassadin?

[BK201]

Kassadin is a player who is unreadable (for me) every game. I don't like unreadable. That's all I'm gonna say.

[TeChNoWC]

Circular reasoning. You don't give an argument for your vote. I say you haven't given an argument. You say that only scum would say that.

??????????

I can do this too! Watch: You don't give an argument for your vote. Town don't generally do that, scum does it a lot (if they're dumb). But here's the secret difference between these two arguments:

mine makes sense.

So let me repeat: why are you voting for me? This should be a

really easy

question to answer. But despite UN asking it all day yesterday and me today, no one has anything.

Well, except for petapan.

(laugh track)

I'm with Mogri on this one, a lot of people are backing him into a corner and assuming everything he says is scummy on the prior assumption he is scum. However Mogri, there have been reasons given, particularly on my part anyway. I'm starting to think NS is a better lynch though.


Will post more later tonight.

[Mogri]

This is really, really bad. You see, mb53? THIS is opportunistic wagon hopping where timing is an actual argument.

Oh yup that's totally what I did.

This entire redFF wagon is scummy.

Really?

Really?

You think the

entire

redFF wagon is scummy?

When he flips scum, I'm parking my vote on you.

Do you mind actually saying what it is about this quote that you find suspect? Especially in light of the fact that red flipped scum? (I'll admit that I did forget to park my vote on MM! You'll have to excuse me there.)

This is a shining example of what I mean when I say that the wagon is incredibly lazy and that no one has bothered articulating a sensible argument.

[Ythan]

Vote Count

4 Mogri (BK201, Pine, noraaa, Hiraki) L-4
3 inte (Nobody Special, Kairyuu, petapan)
3 Nobody Special (inte, crypto, UberNinja)
1 petapan (Mogri)
0 Kairyuu
0 BK201
0 crypto
0 Hiraki
0 TeChNoWC
0 Matias
0 mb53
0 noraaa
0 Pine
0 UberNinja
0 Psyche

4 Not Voting (mb53, Psyche, Matias, TeChNoWC)

8 to lynch
Deadline May 24th

[BK201]

This is really, really bad. You see, mb53? THIS is opportunistic wagon hopping where timing is an actual argument.

Oh yup that's totally what I did.

This entire redFF wagon is scummy.

Really?

Really?

You think the

entire

redFF wagon is scummy?

When he flips scum, I'm parking my vote on you.

Do you mind actually saying what it is about this quote that you find suspect? Especially in light of the fact that red flipped scum? (I'll admit that I did forget to park my vote on MM! You'll have to excuse me there.)

This is a shining example of what I mean when I say that the wagon is incredibly lazy and that no one has bothered articulating a sensible argument.

I didn't know I still had that quoted. Gosh.

[TeChNoWC]

Really not getting this.

As much as I'm still

very

on the line about NS.

Vote: Inte

Says the guy who's voting obvious town NS.

Alarm bells ringing.

Hiraki, wtf.

[Hiraki]

Alarm bells ringing.

Hiraki, wtf.

Good spotting. Forgot to talk about this.

So, some questions because I'm lazy:

Why is inte STILL totally voteless??

Has there been discussion about whether the lynch was quick enough that it caught (both?) mafia offguard, thus, no NK?

Has peta been as scummy as BBmolla was?

Who should I vote?

This was the main reason for concern, like everyone else noted.

However,

noraaaaaaaaaaa, i KNOW the game is nightless. Please to actually READ my question, then answer appropriately. Thanks!

This is like uber NS town meta.

As scum, he lurks more than this and from what I've seen rarely pushes on a question. There's a decently well chance of NStown here.

[TeChNoWC]

Alarm bells ringing.

Hiraki, wtf.

Good spotting. Forgot to talk about this.

So, some questions because I'm lazy:

Why is inte STILL totally voteless??

Has there been discussion about whether the lynch was quick enough that it caught (both?) mafia offguard, thus, no NK?

Has peta been as scummy as BBmolla was?

Who should I vote?

This was the main reason for concern, like everyone else noted.

However,

noraaaaaaaaaaa, i KNOW the game is nightless. Please to actually READ my question, then answer appropriately. Thanks!

This is like uber NS town meta.

As scum, he lurks more than this and from what I've seen rarely pushes on a question. There's a decently well chance of NStown here.

Post 784 was/is my biggest scumread on NS. Do you have links to some of this meta though? A game where NS was confirmed scum?

[Pine]

That's really really lame, Hiraki. Not sure I buy it.

[Matias]

Vote: Hiraki

[Pine]

I'm down

Unvote
Vote: Hiraki

[TeChNoWC]

Very tempted to follow at this point, but I am not prepared to lynch Hiraki after one slip up, even if it seems a major one. Even town can make those bullshit mistakes as well, it's just less likely.

Part of me says lynch him, but another (hopefully the slightly smarter part) says watch him closely, and see if he slips again.

[BK201]

Hiraki's contradiction is questionable but a couple others seem worse so, he's just going to have to walk on egg shells from now on.

[BK201]

NS is lurking so...

[TeChNoWC]

NS is lurking so...

So... You want me to lynch him? Is that what you were trying to say?

I'm still deliberating.

[BK201]

Preferably mogri, but I think a NS lynch would be the next best thing.

[Nobody Special]

I'm not lurking, I'm

tunneling.

Subtle difference.

[noraaa]

As scum, he lurks more than this and from what I've seen rarely pushes on a question. There's a decently well chance of NStown here.

He lurks more than this? How is that even possible.

I've definitely noticed that every time he's "called" me on ANYthing I've said about him/the game, he's been talking down to me (I guess that's his style) and acting like I'm not reading the game (hypocritical) but when I totally back up what I originally said, even adding to it in some cases, he really has nothing to say most of the time.

He doesn't really lay much of anything out, just pops in and out as he pleases. Most of his posts are worthless, and the ones where he tries he gives up or spouts weird nonsense for most of it. If that's town play, it's shitty town play.


Hiraki, how on earth can you think he's "obvious" town. I mean, seriously. One comment where he acts like I didn't answer his question and talks down to me, yup that totally makes him town. Again.. if he's town, he's shitty town. If he's scum, Hiraki's scum too, I betcha betcha. I say we get rid of the shitty player, see his flip, and decide where to go after that.

unvote, vote NS

UN- man I just don't follow the stuff you say. Sorry. Your way of talking in code just flies over my head. If you want me to super secret vote for someone then just come out and say it and I'll think about it and get back to you. Cause you know, the vote would be pretty publicly visable.

Also I play how I wanna play, not how you wanna play. And etc etc with every other player here. Soooo I'll vote for whom and when I decide to. But again, if you think I'm missing something, I can be just as dense as anyone else, that's why I play, to get smarter, so please do spell whatever you're trying to say out to me. But politely, please. I get bitchy when I'm treated bitchily.

[Kairyuu]

While I enjoy having friends over, they're quite a distraction, especially when I don't know they're coming over. Sleep > posting for now.

I'm somewhere around page 25 at this point, and will finish/post when I wake up or shortly thereafter.

[TeChNoWC]

As scum, he lurks more than this and from what I've seen rarely pushes on a question. There's a decently well chance of NStown here.

He lurks more than this? How is that even possible.

I've definitely noticed that every time he's "called" me on ANYthing I've said about him/the game, he's been talking down to me (I guess that's his style) and acting like I'm not reading the game (hypocritical) but when I totally back up what I originally said, even adding to it in some cases, he really has nothing to say most of the time.

He doesn't really lay much of anything out, just pops in and out as he pleases. Most of his posts are worthless, and the ones where he tries he gives up or spouts weird nonsense for most of it. If that's town play, it's shitty town play.


Hiraki, how on earth can you think he's "obvious" town. I mean, seriously. One comment where he acts like I didn't answer his question and talks down to me, yup that totally makes him town. Again.. if he's town, he's shitty town. If he's scum, Hiraki's scum too, I betcha betcha. I say we get rid of the shitty player, see his flip, and decide where to go after that.

unvote, vote NS

UN- man I just don't follow the stuff you say. Sorry. Your way of talking in code just flies over my head. If you want me to super secret vote for someone then just come out and say it and I'll think about it and get back to you. Cause you know, the vote would be pretty publicly visable.

Also I play how I wanna play, not how you wanna play. And etc etc with every other player here. Soooo I'll vote for whom and when I decide to. But again, if you think I'm missing something, I can be just as dense as anyone else, that's why I play, to get smarter, so please do spell whatever you're trying to say out to me. But politely, please. I get bitchy when I'm treated bitchily.

I totally agree with this, and is an example of fine scumhunting. You put the argument together so succinctly, I am sold.

Vote: Nobody Special

Let's do this.

[TeChNoWC]

Those who are on the Hiraki wagon, I would assume would agree that NS is scum (if Hiraki is scum because of what he said, he was likely covering for NS).

Scum is scum, let's lynch.

[Hiraki]

As town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go (148 is a good example of what just happened)

As scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go (Yes, he does pressure, but not to an extent as seen here.

As scum, he posts more filler than anything. I don't really see that here. And by filler I mean useless and offtopic, not just useless.

Crypto: Why are you voting NS?