Scummies 2012 Nominations (Deadline For Noms)

[IceGuy]

Nominate Ghostlin for Best Flavour Text for Warlocks and Werewolves

(recovered file, .rar version).

2nd.

[IceGuy]

I just feel like the site should be included with these types of decisions.

Well obviously if there's a strong enough backlash it would be taken into consideration, but trying to 'involve the site' in everything would mean nothing gets done.

I don't think making a thread along the lines of "What Scummies would you like to have?" would've meant nothing gets done.

[IceGuy]

I don't think making a thread along the lines of "What Scummies would you like to have?" would've meant nothing gets done.

[IceGuy]

The steering committee should first ask for input and then set the categories before saying "nothing gets changed until next year".

[IceGuy]

That's a pointless waste of time. These categories were decided based on input from last cycle.

No, they weren't; there was no discussion regarding Rising Star and Best Role Claim

because nobody knew a change was planned.

It could've gone like that:
SSC: "Hey, we would like to introduce those changes..."
The Plain People of MafiaScum: "Yeah, we like the Rising Star idea, but Best Role Claim should stay."
SSC: "Okay then, we'll implement Rising Star and leave Best Role Claim as it is."

Make the thread with the suggestions in early November, and the final categories are ready by the start of the year.

[IceGuy]

no see

we're discussing it now

there is no reason for that

Except we can't discuss things if we don't know they're planned.

If the SSC plans to, say, condense Paragon and Corleone into one award, it won't come up in discussion and will not be opposed simply because nobody outside the SSC will be thinking of it.

[IceGuy]

A thread in November is a very good idea - part of the reason it wasn't done was because the SSC had like 2 active members then. That's changed now, at least. Obviously if you think there's an award that should be added/a part we're missing out on that can be brought up too. We had talk of a scummies announcement/suggestion thread or something, too.

The thing is if 50% of the people want it and 50% don't what do we do? Should we have a threshold for how many people want an award before it should be considered/added?

I'm not saying a poll should be the end-all for Scummies decisions - I think the SSC should make the decisions but hear the userbase first.

[IceGuy]

Except we can't discuss things if we don't know they're planned.

This is valid. But you're not even asking for transparency now, are you?

If this were a Mafia game, I'd be calling you scum right now.

[IceGuy]

Except we can't discuss things if we don't know they're planned.

Hi, you're still kinda new here. Stuff gets changed all the time, Scummies included (check the original list versus the 2011 list). We have this entire forum for changes and ideas, called Site Ideas, not to mention the focused discussions that happen from time to time. If you want to discuss something, have at it, but trust me, this site EXCELS at discussing. Nobody should need a formal invitation.

Is my point really that hard to grasp?

Nobody knew Best Role Claim was going to be abolished. There was no public announcement or discussion. Therefore, nobody said anything in favor or against it.

You don't make a thread "Hey, I kinda liked the Scummies categories last year, so don't change them!" if you don't know what kind of changes are planned.

[IceGuy]

We're discussing it now. Or we could, if you want to move on from metadiscussion.

Yeah. And I'm making the point this should've been done before the categories were fixed, or semi-fixed. While it's too late for 2012 unless the SSC decides to open up the categories, it should definitely be done in 2013.

[IceGuy]

While site feedback is certainly important and factored into discussion, the entire process would be bogged down if the SSC waited to get public pulse on absolutely every decision.

Make the thread with the suggestions in early November, and the final categories are ready by the start of the year.

I'm not saying a poll should be the end-all for Scummies decisions - I think the SSC should make the decisions but hear the userbase first.

[IceGuy]

IceGuy please stop. You're incredibly dense and it's spamming up the thread.

Yeah, it's definitely

my

fault that people attack me for stuff I didn't actually say because they either won't bother to read or fail to understand what I'm writing.

[IceGuy]

You're not being attacked, you are whining about things you don't understand and refusing to accept any explanation.

Congratulations, you've now gone full retard.

Feel free to make another five posts with pointless one-liners later on, just to rekindle the fire.

[IceGuy]

Would you prefer to be reported for trolling or off topic, or a blend of the two among all of your posts here?

Both. I've sent enough reports to the mods for trolling to know they won't actually do anything.

[IceGuy]

So...what did that role actually do?

[IceGuy]

I believe it's the nominators duty to explain what his nomination is for, and why it deserves a Scummy.

[IceGuy]

Nominate Psyche for Best Contribution to Mafia Discussion/the Wiki for this thread.

I mean no offense to Yos or The Fonz but I think Psyche should be the easy leader in the clubhouse for this right now and I'm extremely surprised he hasn't been nominated in the week since he put up that thread.

2nd

[IceGuy]

Counterpoint: This game.