Worst role ideas?

[izakthegoomba]

You guys couldn't possibly come up with these, like, three months ago, could you?

[Areso]

You guys couldn't possibly come up with these, like, three months ago, could you?

There'll be another chance to run a worst role game. I only found this topic off a link from your Worst Role Mafia post.

Also

You are the

Time Travelling Townie

-You may edit your posts in the game thread
-If you remove a vote by way of edit, you must tell the moderator in a PM. That vote will no longer be counted as of the next votecount.
-You may undo a hammer, even in twilight, but once a player is dead, they cannot be saved.
-If you die, you may no longer edit your posts.
-You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

You are the

Bulletproof Lynchproof Triple-Jester

-You cannot be killed at night.
-The first two times you are lynched, you do not die.
-You win if you are lynched three times.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Is his role revealed after the first lynch?

[theamatuer]

Dont think so

[Areso]

Is his role revealed after the first lynch?

Nope! All the town sees is that the lynch didn't work.

[Psyche]

You guys couldn't possibly come up with these, like, three months ago, could you?

There'll be another chance to run a worst role game. I only found this topic off a link from your Worst Role Mafia post.

Also

You are the

Time Travelling Townie

-You may edit your posts in the game thread
-If you remove a vote by way of edit, you must tell the moderator in a PM. That vote will no longer be counted as of the next votecount.
-You may undo a hammer, even in twilight, but once a player is dead, they cannot be saved.
-If you die, you may no longer edit your posts.
-You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

You are the

Bulletproof Lynchproof Triple-Jester

-You cannot be killed at night.
-The first two times you are lynched, you do not die.
-You win if you are lynched three times.

You sir, are pure evil and will make a great bastard mod some day.

You are

Bastard God

You are capable of doing anything the Mod can do, but possess none of his responsibilities.

Win Condition: You win when every player slot has been flaked from at least once.

[Xalxe]

great bastard mod

There is a different between "wacky swingy as fuck bastard modding" and "FUCK THE PLAYERS bastard modding." The latter will get you run off the site. Please learn the difference sooner rather than later.

[Psyche]

Good to know.

[Areso]

great bastard mod

There is a different between "wacky swingy as fuck bastard modding" and "FUCK THE PLAYERS bastard modding." The latter will get you run off the site. Please learn the difference sooner rather than later.

This is the

worst

role ideas thread. It's for roles that are too awful to ever be put into a game (besides a Worst Roles game, which the players know what they're in for if they sign up). There are plenty of "wacky swingy" roles that are good, and conversely, there's the Survivor, which is about as un-bastard as it gets but is still awful - perhaps even too awful for a Worst Roles game.

[izakthegoomba]

Survivor is usually considered a bastard role, actually.

[Amrun]

Survivor is usually considered a bastard role, actually.

Not really.

[izakthegoomba]

A mod would get a lot of hate for putting one in a non-bastard game.

[Amrun]

Once again ... not really.

[callforjudgement]

I've actually been thinking about Survivor, somewhat. It's basically a weaker Traitor, who has to be alive to win and thus can't just use the normal tactic of calling a guilty on a random townie day 2. (Survivor is basically identical to Mafia for endgame purposes, except that they can also endgame with SK or Town in the rare event that they're the last scum standing.)

That said, a role which is effectively a doubly-nerfed Goon can't be much fun to play…

(Also, "No cults, lynchers, jesters or survivors" is quite a common mod promise in theme games; all are reasonably unpopular third-party wincons. The mod promise isn't made in normals because it doesn't have to be.)

[Yosarian2]

A mod would get a lot of hate for putting one in a non-bastard game.

No, not at all.

Now, it's a *bad* role, but that doesn't make it a bastard role.

In fact, it would probably be an even worse role in a bastard-mod game.

[izakthegoomba]

Well, I would dislike a mod for putting it a game that was advertised as non-bastard.

[Amrun]

Survivor isn't a bastard role. I mean, you are free to dislike the role (I do too), but it isn't bastard.

[RayFrost]

I think the issue here is the definitions people are going by, here's mine:

A "bad" role is one where having it in the game is simply unenjoyable for either the other players or the person playing the role. Survivor falls under this category by simply being a really unenjoyable role.

A "bastard" role is one where the mechanics of the role are crazy or in some way not practical to balance effectively against more standard roles. An example of this would be this one from ocarina of time mafia (yes I used my role from that game as the example):

You are a Super Commuting Temporary Lovestriker. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:
None

Active Abilities:
Deep Dive - Every other night, you may dive down all the way to the bottom of Lake Hylia, where no actions (not even kills) can touch you.
Stupid Cupid - You just want somebody to love you. On nights where you don’t use your commuter ability, you may choose to cause someone to be lovestruck to you for the following day phase. This means if you die, they commit suicide.

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per phase.

This role is ridiculous (and had its own limiter in the game but etc), but it's not inherently unenjoyable as a whole: it's actually something that'd be quite fun.

Often times, bad roles and bastard roles mingle, but they are separate things.

[callforjudgement]

The role really isn't that ridiculous. Half of it (non-consecutive-night commuter) is normal; the other half (a sort of reverse bodyguard, I guess) isn't, but it wouldn't be out of place in a normal using the gray area rules. Admittedly, combining the two leads to something quite complex, but I wouldn't call it bad, nor ridiculous, nor bastard.

[RayFrost]

The role really isn't that ridiculous. Half of it (non-consecutive-night commuter) is normal; the other half (a sort of reverse bodyguard, I guess) isn't, but it wouldn't be out of place in a normal using the gray area rules. Admittedly, combining the two leads to something quite complex, but I wouldn't call it bad, nor ridiculous, nor bastard.

It was also a modified sleeper role where when someone died I'd get said powers but didn't know what powers I'd have until the person died.

And the mechanics involved are bizarre even if the individual parts of the role aren't. If you asked me if nk immune miller vig was a bastard role, I'd say yes even though the pieces are all rather "normal" (bullet proof, miller, and vig). You can deconstruct a lot of things to be "normal" based on its constituent parts, but the whole is greater than the sum of its parts actually applies here.

[IceGuy]

Innocent Child is a normal role just as Bulletproof is a normal modifier. A Bulletproof Innocent Child is a bad idea, though.

[izakthegoomba]

Innocent Child is a normal role just as Bulletproof is a normal modifier. A Bulletproof Innocent Child is a bad idea, though.

Might as well make it Immortal and be done with.

[callforjudgement]

Scum deadline setter or similar ability could kill it. (I've seen multiple offsite games where there was a known potential for a scum deadline setter via one mechanism or another; you wouldn't believe how quickly the first vote tended to go up after the start of day, it was often a matter of seconds.)

That said, the deadline setter role fits in here perfectly:

You are a

Mafia Deadline Setter

. Once per game, you may PM the moderator to change the deadline of the current day to a time in the future of your choice. Casting or attempting to change votes after deadline will not count. If you shorten the deadline, the game will use the common form of the plurality lynch rule, rather than majority lynch.

You win with your Mafia team, who are X Y and Z, and who you can talk to at night in your QT here. (No, you don't "win with the scum". Not if third parties are involved, at least.)

Also worth noting that I've put this as town in a setup offsite (where people wanted a role madness sort of game), and people have actually used it to shorten deadlines (a move which intuition would say is dubious at best). Also, been given it as town by another mod (offsite), and used it to win lylo (not that that's generally a good move unless there's a player other than yourself you're sure is town). In a meta remotely like mafiascum's, though, it definitely belongs in the worst roles thread.

[Amrun]

Is the new deadline published?

[inspiratieloos]

Basically, if you're alive at mylo/lylo you win. Or just use it to make 2 kills (giving yourself away).