Mini 332 - Camp Scum Lake - Mod Abandoned

[TBuG]

Let me be a bit more clear: I am the Assistant to the Head Counselor. On the first night, I went into warp's cabin and found him sleeping like a baby. On the second night, I snuck into Rosso's cabin, and he wasn't there, and I found a knife and a list of campers with the names of the deceased crossed out. Rosso is full of shit, and yesterday, I was thinking he was town. And he's saying that he's a rolblocker who blocked me night 0, and that he's just now thinking that there was no kill because I'm scum. I don't see why everybody is turning their backs on the result of a cop. Anybody who has played in a game with me before would vouch for me saying I would not be so stupid to fake-claim cop on Day 2 with no provocation just to either draw out the real cop or get a player lynched. I've been here for three years, and I sure as hell wouldn't be that stupid.

[serinah80]

yeah, well.
your story is good and believable. But how can it be that we both were around (and in your case in) the same cabin and didn't see each other?
nonsense.

I'll believe your story gladly if you explain me that little detail. Because I'd be really glad to find Rosso scum but right now I can't see it happening.

One of us have to be lying and it's not me.

[TBuG]

There is a way. Who says we were there at the same time?

[Rosso Carne]

It's Rosso's Birthday. For my present, I'd like PBuG lynched and revealed for the liar that he is. =D

[Smashy]

serinah, if you've outed yourself too, then did you search N0, and who did you search?

[serinah80]

I can search no one. I'm only a role blocker.
I stick around a cabin and make sure that if the person wants to go out, I march them straight back. Rosso never moved.

I have no idea how could mine and PBugs stories be both true. The night before I did the same with yellowbounder. He never moved either. But maybe that night nobody did. But we'll never really know because we didin't let Twito explain, did we?

One of my points was, why would mod give Assistant powers of a cop and name the Head only a blocker? Does this kind of twisted logic happen often in mafia games? I haven't played long enough to know.

PBug, I'm waiting for your suggestions what do you mean saying that we could both be right. How?
Either you have an explanation and will give it in your next post, or you don't. But if the second is true, then why haven't you accused me of lying? Because you know I'm telling the truth, don't you?

I'm wondering why aren't anybody else saying anything? You must have some thoughts. But maybe waiting out is good.

Anyway, some more experienced players could think aloud about the possibility of both stories be true. I'm playing my second game and my first hasn't even ended. So, wanna help me out? Any suggestions about my logic being good or not? Because maybe it is possible for both stories to check out but I just don't see it. Anyone else's thoughts on it would be good.

One more thing I was thinking.
If I were scum and wanted to accuse some one, who would I pick? I'd pick some one who is mistrusted and is thought of as scumme bu some ppl already. Rosso would be perfect. And if I wouldn't have checked him last night, I'd be the first one to quicklynh him.

But the weak side of the theory is that if PBug would make up a story like that, he must know that there are no other cops in the camp, or that it is possible for a camp to have two cops. Is either of these things possible? Some thoughts of an experienced player would be good here again. But not PBug's, for understandible reasons.

I'd really like to see some posts now. Please??

[serinah80]

serinah, if you've outed yourself too, then did you search N0, and who did you search?

ok, I didn't understand all of it. language problems here, sry.

how have I outvoted myself?

[serinah80]

I just noticed this.

And he's saying that he's a rolblocker who blocked me night 0, and that he's just now thinking that there was no kill because I'm scum.

When did Rosso say it? Rosso, do you confirm it?

[Smashy]

serinah, if you've outed yourself too, then did you search N0, and who did you search?

ok, I didn't understand all of it. language problems here, sry.

how have I outvoted myself?

I meant that your role was out in the open if you are telling the truth (and if you're full of it then we know you're scum). You still didn't answer my question.

[TBuG]

Well, while we're on the issue of claiming, I'd like to tell you all that I am indeed a RBer. Now it's clear that the reason we didn't have a kill n0 was cuz I blocked PBuG. I didn't bring it up simply cuz the kill coulda been doc protected.

[Smashy]

Vote: Rosso Carne

With a cop claiming guilty and his Roleblocker claim countered, I think he's the lynch for today. If he does turn out town, then serinah and PBug will follow him out of camp

[B Rob]

I agree, Rosso is the lynch for today. At least one of Rosso, PBuG, and serinah is lying. If Rosso turns up town, we may very well be catching both of the other two in lies.

Vote: Rosso Carne

[Maverick]

Alright, so I've missed a lot but I've read everything and have an idea of the truth.

I think that PBug telling the truth, obviously due to my vote on Rosso and that Serinah is telling the truth as well. We have PBug the cop, and Serinah the roleblocker. In most games where there is a rolerblocker and multiple mafia, the mod makes the mafia group choose one of the members to make the kill, that way the roleblocker can't just choose one of the mafia and block a kill.. It makes it to where they have to choose the exact mafia member who is actually making a kill. I think that Rosso is scum, due to PBug's investigation and Serinah saw Rosso there still because he didn't actually make the kill. And as far as you not seeing each other in the cabin, that seems irrelevant. I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with roles.

My vote stands, I'm pretty sure that Rosso is scum.. and If I'm wrong we have a sure scum tomorrow. But claiming cop Day 2 as scum would be a very stupid move especially when you don't have any suspicions on you and you have no reason to be targetted for a bandwagon.

[serinah80]

serinah, if you've outed yourself too, then did you search N0, and who did you search?

ok, I didn't understand all of it. language problems here, sry.

how have I outvoted myself?

I meant that your role was out in the open if you are telling the truth (and if you're full of it then we know you're scum). You still didn't answer my question.

I'm sorry, what is the question? I told twice about who I checked the N0.
Yes, my role is out in the open now. I am not full of shit. lol

Rephrase your question, if I still did not get it.

[serinah80]

Alright, so I've missed a lot but I've read everything and have an idea of the truth.

I think that PBug telling the truth, obviously due to my vote on Rosso and that Serinah is telling the truth as well. We have PBug the cop, and Serinah the roleblocker. In most games where there is a rolerblocker and multiple mafia, the mod makes the mafia group choose one of the members to make the kill, that way the roleblocker can't just choose one of the mafia and block a kill.. It makes it to where they have to choose the exact mafia member who is actually making a kill. I think that Rosso is scum, due to PBug's investigation and Serinah saw Rosso there still because he didn't actually make the kill. And as far as you not seeing each other in the cabin, that seems irrelevant. I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with roles.

My vote stands, I'm pretty sure that Rosso is scum.. and If I'm wrong we have a sure scum tomorrow. But claiming cop Day 2 as scum would be a very stupid move especially when you don't have any suspicions on you and you have no reason to be targetted for a bandwagon.

Ookey...
Why then was Rosso out of cabin if he wasn't making the kill personally? And what's the point in me roleblocking him, if he still can get out and I'm not aware of it? Not logical at all.

[Smashy]

serinah, if you've outed yourself too, then did you search N0, and who did you search?

ok, I didn't understand all of it. language problems here, sry.

how have I outvoted myself?

I meant that your role was out in the open if you are telling the truth (and if you're full of it then we know you're scum). You still didn't answer my question.

I'm sorry, what is the question? I told twice about who I checked the N0.
Yes, my role is out in the open now. I am not full of shit. lol

Rephrase your question, if I still did not get it.

Actually, you answered it and I was a dumbass in not noticing those posts

[Maverick]

Hmm, well the first thing you said is a good point. Forgot about that bit. But the second thing is because a roleblocker would be too leet if they only had to block one member of the mafia to stop a kill, because they could then just block the same person each night and town would automatically win. So if Rosso were mafia but not the selected one then u could still target him but nothing would result from it.

But my point is demolished, because I wasn't thinking and PBug did find him out of the cabin.

I say we lynch Rosso today though, because I'm pretty sure about him being scum, and if he's not then Serinah for sure is so either way we have one.

[ChannelDelibird]

I agree with Maverick here - Rosso is the best lynch today because we guarantee finding scum at worst tomorrow, at best today. It's also the safer option compared to lynching either of two claimed power roles.

unvote (I don't think I'm voting though, just to be safe), vote: Rosso Carne

[serinah80]

Hmm, well the first thing you said is a good point. Forgot about that bit. But the second thing is because a roleblocker would be too leet if they only had to block one member of the mafia to stop a kill, because they could then just block the same person each night and town would automatically win. So if Rosso were mafia but not the selected one then u could still target him but nothing would result from it.

But my point is demolished, because I wasn't thinking and PBug did find him out of the cabin.

I say we lynch Rosso today though, because I'm pretty sure about him being scum, and if he's not then Serinah for sure is so either way we have one.

I agree, I feel that Rosso must be scum.
I agree that Rosso might be a scum that weren´t killing yesterday. And thatś why I didn´t find him out. Then how come he was out when PBug came?!

Then, if it turns out he´s not scum, then how will it make me scum??!

[audacesiuvat]

Vote Count:

Rosso Carne (5): PBuG, Maverick, Smashy, B Rob, ChannelDelibird
PBuG (1): Rosso Carne

Not Voting (4): warpdragon, yellowbounder, serinah80, chef855

With ten alive, it's six to lynch.

[Maverick]

That's what I said I didn't know, the fact that PBug found him out of the cabin is what I forgot.

Because you claimed RBer, and so did Rosso.. and in a 12 player mini game chances are very slim to none of having two roleblockers. If we lynched him and his claim were true, then you'd be scum because I'm sure we don't have two roleblockers.

[B Rob]

I think at this point, any scum would be desperate to end the day as quick as possible, so let's open discussion before the last vote. I propose that no one changes their vote until we've all posted at least twice, if not more, after this post. (I'll post twice more as well.) That way, everyone is required to contribute before the day ends.

[serinah80]

I don't know about small games.
If I was a mod, I'd make game where everybody have roles, it'd be fun and the game might me messier but quicker too. Theoretically 2 RB are possible.

Actually what Maverick said could be true. Maybe there can happen the unlogical things like RBers can only block active ppl (why I didn't spot Rosso outside) and at the same time if investigator checks any scum (active or unactive that night) he will get certain result (the list, knives, and an empty bed).

That would make Rosso scum and PBug a town. But can these kinds of things happen?? I have no idea.

[chef855]

Wow... I leave to go to a waterpark for one day.... Sheesh that was a lot to digest. However it does seem that Rosso is probably scum. I WILL NOT vote yet, as I believe more disscussion is neccessary as B Rob said. In my last newbie game, the day was ended too quickly and people still were not sure if they were a good vote or not, and we ended up lynching a townie. So more discussion please! But just to let you all know, in case this game is still going when I leave, I will be gone the weekend of July 14th (it means July 14, 15 and 16). I will be at a conference and the hotel has wi-fi, but I don't believe its free... Oh well... So instead of voting I will just put a fos: Rosso on and call it a morning!

[TBuG]

I'm going to investigate serinah next, so if I live through the night, we'll know about her. No offense, serinah, but the whole thing with the inconsistency of our roles in confusing me, and I want to sort it out.