NY 150: Mob Money Mafia GAME OVER

[Pine]

Scumpoints to chkflip

[projectmatt]

Scumpoints to chkflip

For hammering on the person you've been tunneling on a day before the deadline..?

[mcqueen]

Scumpoints to chkflip

For hammering on the person you've been tunneling on a day before the deadline..?

Nice.

[mastin2]

Do you think Bunny is going to flip scum?

Did I think Bunny had a larger-than-normal chance of flipping scum?

Yes.

Was I sure of it?

No. Bunny was, like, my weakest scumread. A scumread, yes, around 60% sure, but was I as confident as the question implied?

No, that'd require at least another 15%.

Given the circumstances of the hammer, I don't think we did, though. It reeks all of a sudden of being a mislynch.

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

BBmolla - 2 (Twistedspoon, Kondi)
Nacho - 2 (SlySly, Nacho)
Pine - 1 (BBmolla)
Bunnylover - 6 (Oversoul, Pine, Mastin, Chkflip, Bunnylover, Projectmatt)
SlySly - 3 (Knox, Mcqueen, Kise)


Not Voting - Andycyca

With 15 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch

Deadline is Thursday April 12th, 11:59pm EST

[mcqueen]

Do you think Bunny is going to flip scum?

Did I think Bunny had a larger-than-normal chance of flipping scum?

Yes.

Was I sure of it?

No. Bunny was, like, my weakest scumread. A scumread, yes, around 60% sure, but was I as confident as the question implied?

No, that'd require at least another 15%.

Given the circumstances of the hammer, I don't think we did, though. It reeks all of a sudden of being a mislynch.

Mastin, is Mcqueen town?

[mcqueen]

Vote Count

BBmolla - 2 (Twistedspoon, Kondi)
Nacho - 2 (SlySly, Nacho)
Pine - 1 (BBmolla)
Bunnylover - 6 (Oversoul, Pine, Mastin, Chkflip, Bunnylover, Projectmatt)
SlySly - 3 (Knox, Mcqueen, Kise)


Not Voting - Andycyca

With 15 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch

Deadline is Thursday April 12th, 11:59pm EST

lol. Ya'll thought Bunnylover got hammered, when she's at L-2. What a phailure.

[Oversoul]

They always try to pull shit like that.

[Oversoul]

I'm done with the bloc, and I think Matt should receive some pressure tomorrow.

Chkflip, possibly, but I don't think it is worth it at this time.

[Bunnylover]

@bunny what are your thoughts on the other players?

Nacho is town.
McQueen is townish.
BBmolla is more town then scum.
PM is above the netural line (leaning town)
Oversoul is right below the netural line (leaning scum)
Pine is further below
Something pings me in my head that Sly is scum.
Chkflip is more scum, but less then Sly. Equal to Pine?
I had believe Mastin was town, but its weaken a little. His reads have been scattered and jumbled up, but I wouldn't vote him anytime soon.

I was town.

[Bunnylover]

I have never wavered in thinking you're scum. No idea how you twisted that into anything different.

Neighbors are not always going to be Town/Scum. But most of the time, they are. Hence my initial suspicions. Then your pre-game behavior, reaction to being suspected, later odd actions, and most recently your "woe is me" massive AtE and self-vote locked me in. If you're NOT scum, you need to go back to Newbie games.

And your proposed "wouldn't scum always claim Neighbor" scenario is moronic. The problem is that when the loser of the double bus flipped, they'd flip as a non-neighbor, bringing their buddy down with them. It's like scum fakeclaiming Masons together - it can be effective, but only if they never get killed. They irrevocably lock themselves together. That's why Andycya deserves chiding, for not thinking through his suggestion. Besides, they could simply double bus the life out of one another to a very similar effect.

Lynch me, scum will probably have to NK you if you are town as I'm fairly sure the town isn't crazy enough to lynch you if you aren't killed.

This quote makes sense, but only if BL is convinced we're Town/Town Neighbors, or if BL flips scum.

I'm still not liking Pine nor Sly.

Whoops! Cognitive dissonance.

Its not ATE and it never was. Please stop saying I'm using that technique.
I agreed that I should be lynched.
My pre-game behavior was that never an equation in you thinking I was scum. You came into the neighbor hell bent that I was scum. I wanted to discovered your alignment based on your gameplay not by meta. Sorry that you think I was trying to mind control you or something x-x.

[mcqueen]

@bunny what are your thoughts on the other players?

Nacho is town.
McQueen is townish.
BBmolla is more town then scum.
PM is above the netural line (leaning town)
Oversoul is right below the netural line (leaning scum)
Pine is further below
Something pings me in my head that Sly is scum.
Chkflip is more scum, but less then Sly. Equal to Pine?
I had believe Mastin was town, but its weaken a little. His reads have been scattered and jumbled up, but I wouldn't vote him anytime soon.

I was town.

I AM TOWN

ISH

? I'VE BEEN SAVING YOUR ASS ALL GAME!

[Oversoul]

Wait, BL agreed to her own lynch?

FUCK THAT

I don't like her "I was town" statement after mcqueen and the mod posted showing that she wasn't lynched, but still agreeing to one's own lynch is not scum.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Matt

[projectmatt]

Hm.

Oversoul, why is it me? Let's talk.

Having some doubts about Bunnylover myself - not that I ever scum read her hard in the first place, but I'm also not sure who I could switch a wagon on in the course of one day. Eh...

[Pine]

Scumpoints to chkflip

For hammering on the person you've been tunneling on a day before the deadline..?

Nice.

For hammering before Kondi had a chance to post his catchup. That's exceptionally scummy.

Oversoul, BL simply had a better votecount than I did. He knew he wasn't done. Don't be a jackass, we can't afford a no-lynch.

[Andycyca]

Are you really this dense, or do you just play it on TV?

Ad Hom right there.

If one or both of us are Town, we wouldn't have fakeclaimed Neighbors. Therefore, we are either both scum, or both actual Neighbors. Therefore, you're suggesting that we're both scum, and I'm pushing my buddy's death, when said death would result in a flip that would get me lynched too.

You

try

and sound logical with the reference to Occam, but you haven't actually applied any reasoning to the situation. Go back to your hole, or do something productive.

Strawmanning there. I am not suggesting anything about your alignment based on the claim, I'm stating that discussing roles that cannot possibly be known until after death is very distracting and we shouldn't discuss them nor should we use those claims as "evidence" of anything. I've always wanted everyone else to look at you and BL without the "probable neighbors" glass because it biases one's view a priori. We should adjust our theories (and votes) to the evidence and not the other way around. Since it's equally probable that you are neighbors and that you aren't and since nothing else changes my best approach and strategy to this game, I choose the simpler option.

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So far I haven't seen anything particularly scummy

in itself

, except for back-and-forth arguments around here which will be more useful later on. With the deadline approaching, I must vote for the scummiest single action so far:
VOTE: Bunnylover

[SlySly]

One more vote and I will hammer.

[mcqueen]

SlySly, if you hammer, I will go macho, become scum, steal their kill, and find you happily dead at dawn.

[Pine]

Are you really this dense, or do you just play it on TV?

Ad Hom right there.

It isn't ad hom when I go on to actually tear your argument to shreds using simple logic. Ad hom is when I attack you instead of your argument - I did both.

[SlySly]

SlySly, if you hammer, I will go macho, become scum, steal their kill, and find you happily dead at dawn.

Quit scum claiming, that's a mod-killable offense.

[Bunnylover]

Wait, BL agreed to her own lynch?

FUCK THAT

I don't like her "I was town" statement after mcqueen and the mod posted showing that she wasn't lynched, but still agreeing to one's own lynch is not scum.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Matt

Im not lynched?
._. I've been assuming Chk flip was my hammered, no one the thread wasn't locked yet.
Tempted to move my vote to SlySly, but I don't want to risk a No Lynch and take my vote off of myself.

[mastin2]

Unvote, VOTE: Projectmatt.

Though I'd also go for SlySly.

[mastin2]

Actually.

SlySly - 3 (Knox, Mcqueen, Kise)

Unvote, Vote: Slysly

.

[SlySly]

And a no lynch now approaches. Running me up is going to be fruitless.

[kondi2424]

No time. VOTE: BL