Good vs Evil, Law vs Chaos Reboot - Game Over, Good wins

[AurorusVox]

MATIN PLEASE LICK MY NIPPLES

[AurorusVox]

FUCK YOU MSAINTIN

COME BACK AND PLAY
FUCKER

[AurorusVox]

ive lost hte remonte for my tv so i cant make the colours top being all wrong
halp

[mastin2]

MASTIN [foxace?] IS SCUM AMIRITE?

Wouldn't know, yet. Unlike many games I replace into, I'm actually replacing in blind, here. Haven't read a single post. I can check the first three pages in the original thread, the first three pages in the reboot, and the last three pages (maybe also the last three pages in the original) to get speedreads, if you'd like, but I was hoping people'd give me an answer to my questions, and that their different answers would help shed some light on things.

Heck, I'll do that now, though it'll be in a QT so that I don't spoil people's answers to my questions.

[mastin2]

Having just downloaded the files, looks like there were only five pages when the game crashed, so it's not nearly as much reading as I was expecting. So looks like I'll do all five, plus three, plus last-three, plus ISOs of those who seem important. (Which right now is AV who's talking to me and Foxace, who AV says is scum. )

[Zdenek]

@zde, would you put more effort into other people? We have heard every possible angle as to why you think tammy is scum. Yet your other suspicions are horribly underdeveloped.

Later. I'm actually pretty happy with how this day is going. I have a scum read on the person's who has got the most votes, and I'm pushing a couple of other things now.

Yes, it's a bit of meta, I'm trying to explain myself and my playstyle to you. I thought it you did happen to be town, and rational, we could come to a bit of an understanding.

Look Tammy, you've obviously played enough mafia to know that "It's my playstyle" is not a defense, so that fact that you are so worked up over me rejecting it makes no sense at all.

Well let%u2019s be frank then %u2013 you%u2019ve failed to make an argument that what are accusing Tammy of is more likely to come from scum.

No one plays like that, and to require that sort of demonstration for scum tells makes little sense. As far as I am concerned this is scum-MoI blowing hot air.

1. You%u2019ve failed to address the fact that I showed that Tammy was taking stances and that your examples were taken out of context in a scummy fashion.

2. You%u2019ve failed to address how I showed that Tammy was not %u2018trying to get people to focus on others rather than doing it yourself%u201D.

3. You%u2019ve failed to show how her attacking people for suspect attacks on others is scummy or even inaccurate.

4. You%u2019ve failed to show how she is buddying anyone.

1. and 3. This is part of a pattern in her behaviour in the early game. It's the sum total of what she was doing, not the individual things.
2. Yes, I have.
4. I disagree.

Directly linking to scum play in another game is a meta argument at it%u2019s core (bad or good) whether you want to frame it as such or not.

It's not because I could find other examples too. Unless you are trying to argue that every scum it a meta argument at it's core, in which case, fuck off.

So it isn%u2019t a valid tell but you wouldn%u2019t say using it as a tell is scummy then. How%u2019s that post feel?

People disagree about scum-tells all the time, so it's not an indicator of alignment, but I have no clue what you asking.

Please link me to this because I don%u2019t recall seeing that behavior.

Here are the quotes:

I agree that the fearmongering quote was bad. It's one of the things I don't like about Avox.

4. Why should I vote AVox? Because you say so? Give me a better reason than OMGUS. Give me a better reason than the crap you provided. Eh...I like my vote right where it is.

Mastin, I think there are six scum in the game - two towns of 13 each and each with 3 scum.
I'll write the summary you are asking for tomorrow/Saturday.

[mastin2]

Everyone:

That's every single other player in the game.

I want, in your own words, your summary of how the game has gone so far. At the same time, I'd also like you to tell me how many scum you think are in the game--I know this game is a lil' unusual, but I imagine that there is a scum faction out there. And of course, who they are--not a single person; I want you to give me a whole team. Plus of course the reasoning you think they're scum together.

New page, so making sure people see this. Off to work.

[AurorusVox]

MAstin
post your qt posts here
ii know how you work

vote foxace and togheter
we will crush the scummm



woah tammy says im fearmongering?



how???!!!?!?!


HERE IS FEAR

TAMMY IS A FUCKING BITCH
WHO WANTS YOU TO VOTE TOWN
(AV)
BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS A UFKCING FSCUMBAGGG
AND HE WANTS TO EAT YOUR BABIES
BECAUSE HIS OR HER MENTAIL BRAIN IS WRONGED
IE ALL WONKY
RIGHT

SO FEAR HER
AND VOTE HER LATER
LIKE NINE DAYS FROM NOW
WHEN WE ARE ALMOST DONE WITH ALL THE SCUM<<MSz

[mastin2]

01. Pine
02. Empking
03. AurorusVox
04. PeregrineV
05. Y u no scum (moneybags)
06. MaguaofIllusion
07. LynchMePls

(Being replaced)

08.

ManiacalLemon

mastin2
09. brizingre1
10. greenknight
11. CooLDoG
12. trekker
13. Tammy
14. Feysal
15.

Skenvoy

BBMolla
16. Shadoweh
17.

Rang Tangler

kondi2424
18. Norman
19.

Malee

Jackal711
20. Lord Mhork
21. Zdenek
22. Mastermind of Sin
23. Shadow1psc
24.

xvart

Foxace36
25.

Skeletor

Guy_Named_Riggs

sorgster

(Being replaced...again.)

26. Haze

From the mod's Iso, this is what I can gather is who is in the game. Did I miss any?

[mastin2]

post your qt posts here

I fully intend to, once I get everyone to answer my questions.

[Tammy]

MAstin
post your qt posts here
ii know how you work

vote foxace and togheter
we will crush the scummm



woah tammy says im fearmongering?



how???!!!?!?!


HERE IS FEAR

TAMMY IS A FUCKING BITCH
WHO WANTS YOU TO VOTE TOWN
(AV)
BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS A UFKCING FSCUMBAGGG
AND HE WANTS TO EAT YOUR BABIES
BECAUSE HIS OR HER MENTAIL BRAIN IS WRONGED
IE ALL WONKY
RIGHT

SO FEAR HER
AND VOTE HER LATER
LIKE NINE DAYS FROM NOW
WHEN WE ARE ALMOST DONE WITH ALL THE SCUM<<MSz

Yeah, you know what, jackass I referred to this one thing you wrote in the original thread concerning those who didn't want a massclaim...

"So all in all, I see only positives coming from it and those trying to suggest otherwise are fearmongering or don't understand the reasons properly."

Which I did not like, but told Zdenek that the other reasons for suspecting you were crap, so get your head out of your ass. I never once said you should be voted. I did say I suspected you but retracted it after re-reading the original thread and deciding I liked what you had to say but that one line, so fuck off and read the damn thread.

[mastin2]

Most of the way through orig-page-one. So far, got reads on eleven of the posters. Taking a slight break, but I'll be back; I think I might actually have a direction to go in.

[mastin2]

Also, AV, to clarify--you think Tammy's scum, right?

[Pine]

Sup Mastin. I had a Townread on Lemon. This game sucks royal balls. It's just not fun. Norman needs to be blacklisted by every mod ever.

I'm one of the people you're likely to want to ISO, but 809 is the important one.

By virtue of our secret bro honor pact (we should really get one of those) I declare to you that I'm Town.

[Tammy]

Also, AV, to clarify--you think Tammy's scum, right?

Zdenek and Haze think I'm scum. Apparently AV just thinks I'm a bitch.

[kondi2424]

ohai mastin

[Norman]

Sup Mastin. I had a Townread on Lemon. This game sucks royal balls. It's just not fun. Norman needs to be blacklisted by every mod ever.

I'm one of the people you're likely to want to ISO, but 809 is the important one.

By virtue of our secret bro honor pact (we should really get one of those) I declare to you that I'm Town.

Pine, Pine, Pine... I'm trying to have fun here, you're just ruining it for everyone more then me.

[mastin2]

Not many people seem to be paying attention to my request. I can maybe understand the summary taking time (though it really shouldn't), and it's something which in the longrun I don't really *need* (since I'll be reading everything eventually), but it's something I'd like to see, regardless. But even if *that* is too difficult, it shouldn't be difficult to answer how many scum you think are in the game; it's a simple number. The who and the why are things which by this point, you've probably already done, so if your "who is scum and why" is just a bunch of quotes, that'd be fine with me; I just want to see it all at the same time, in the present, rather than gradually, in the past.

So we can talk later; answers first, please.

[CooLDoG]

@mod, sorry for your loss

Can we please just lynch that?

Yeah, I agree with you here. If norman isn't even going to try to defend himself...

unvote, vote:norman

Please, please tell me there's a Vig out there.

Lately, I'm liking Greenknight as Town and MoI's arguments for Zdenek-scum.

Well if there is a vigilante out there I'm pretty sure he wouldn't kill such a fellow like myself.

After all I have no quarrel with him and he has no quarrel with me. You people however have problems.

Actually, you are an exceptional vig kill for the record.

Alright. Let's try something different.

Everyone:

That's every single other player in the game.
I want, in your own words, your summary of how the game has gone so far.
At the same time, I'd also like you to tell me how many scum you think are in the game--I know this game is a lil' unusual, but I imagine that there is a scum faction out there.
And of course, who they are--not a single person; I want you to give me a whole team. Plus of course the reasoning you think they're scum together.

Anyone:

Are there any claims I should be made aware of?

First pint:
BUNCH OF NOISE. You can't arse anybody here to post content.
also, I would say 6 scum, 3 to each side.

MATIN PLEASE LICK MY NIPPLES

I support this.

@mastin, qts? did I miss something? Also, I'll get you some more later if I can.

[mastin2]

Arg. I'm on page three, and I've only got two strong scumreads. It should be *numberinmyqt*. I'm probably going to have to work via POE. Look at who's town, eliminate 'em, and look at the leftovers to see what makes sense.

[Tammy]

Yes, it's a bit of meta, I'm trying to explain myself and my playstyle to you. I thought it you did happen to be town, and rational, we could come to a bit of an understanding.

Look Tammy, you've obviously played enough mafia to know that "It's my playstyle" is not a defense, so that fact that you are so worked up over me rejecting it makes no sense at all.

Well let%u2019s be frank then %u2013 you%u2019ve failed to make an argument that what are accusing Tammy of is more likely to come from scum.

No one plays like that, and to require that sort of demonstration for scum tells makes little sense. As far as I am concerned this is scum-MoI blowing hot air.

1. You%u2019ve failed to address the fact that I showed that Tammy was taking stances and that your examples were taken out of context in a scummy fashion.

2. You%u2019ve failed to address how I showed that Tammy was not %u2018trying to get people to focus on others rather than doing it yourself%u201D.

3. You%u2019ve failed to show how her attacking people for suspect attacks on others is scummy or even inaccurate.

4. You%u2019ve failed to show how she is buddying anyone.

1. and 3. This is part of a pattern in her behaviour in the early game. It's the sum total of what she was doing, not the individual things.
2. Yes, I have.
4. I disagree.

Directly linking to scum play in another game is a meta argument at it%u2019s core (bad or good) whether you want to frame it as such or not.

It's not because I could find other examples too. Unless you are trying to argue that every scum it a meta argument at it's core, in which case, fuck off.

So it isn%u2019t a valid tell but you wouldn%u2019t say using it as a tell is scummy then. How%u2019s that post feel?

People disagree about scum-tells all the time, so it's not an indicator of alignment, but I have no clue what you asking.

Please link me to this because I don%u2019t recall seeing that behavior.

Here are the quotes:

I agree that the fearmongering quote was bad. It's one of the things I don't like about Avox.

4. Why should I vote AVox? Because you say so? Give me a better reason than OMGUS. Give me a better reason than the crap you provided. Eh...I like my vote right where it is.

1. Eh, no Zdenek, you're still being ridiculous. Once, in a game, I encountered someone who was rather aggressive. I thought he was so aggressive that he was scum overcompensating. We had a debate about it. He explained to me it was his play style. I had to make a choice...to accept that it was possible he was town and was explaining to me that it was his play style or to continue to hound him for it. Really glad I accepted what he told me as he was pretty much the defining factor in town winning that game. (But, this goes back to me telling you that I don't just decide I'm right and get myself stuck in confirmation bias. I accept the possibility I'm wrong.)

What I'm trying to explain to you here, is that sometimes you need to accept the possibility of what people are telling you. I've explained myself to you in an attempt to come to an understanding; you're refusing.

2. Nice of you to once again clip the portion where I tell you that what you said about AVox was crap. I never once denied agreeing with you that his fearmongering statement was bad, but once again, I'm within my rights as a rational human being to believe that just because I agree with you on one aspect of a read does not mean that I have to agree with you on the entire read.

Repeat it after me...

[mastin2]

So it's up to 21/25. I'm missing reads on Pine, Empking, trekker, and Norman.

But here's the good news--I think I mighta found five scum.

And AV's gonna love this:

Foxace, via xvart, is among them.

Unvote, VOTE: Foxace36.

[mastin2]

If you couldn't tell, I've read all five of the original pages by now. I just need to get started on the newer ones. Since I have reads on more people than I do not, this shouldn't take too long to finish, though obviously I'm not reading all 39. Basically just confirming a few things quickly.

[Foxace36]

Just got back from my show and skimmed this a little bit on my phone. I only got about 5min so this is all I can post. (Will be able to actually be active again on sunday when show week at my school is over. These performances are exhausting D:)
Anyways, Im a Lawful Good Commoner.

I saw a lot of votes on me so I decided I might aswell go ahead and claim since I dont have the time to defend myself. Tho if you all wait til sunday then Ill be more than ready too as show eek will be over then.

[mastin2]

Ah, screw it. I'm not even through page two, and I can tell you everything you need to know.

TOWN:
AV
Norman
Feysal
MoI
OtherShadow
Zdenek
BBMolla

PROB-TOWN:
PV
Lord Mhork
Y u no scum
brizingre1
Shadoweh

kondi

SCUM:
LynchMePls needs to have his request fulfilled.
Tammy
sorgster
Jackal711 (via Malee)
Foxace26
MoS

POE TOWN:
greenknight
Cooldog
trekker
Empking
Pine

Very roughly in order.