Thursday wrote:I agree with you on that Brin point. After my last reading of his ISO I did not feel any more enlightened about his role within the game. Askesis' doc lynch really looked bad on him but Brin's play did not look particularly town, nor did it look particularly scum.
About the Askesis post you showed me: There is no denying that it is a very well-thought out, logical, and pro-town post, and so is probably town. However there is still a possibility that he's scum (look at RayFrost, he did have some pro-town looking posts too but he turned out scum) so I think the issue you're looking at here is simply that Askesis is a better poster than I am. In that case I can't make any defense against that.
In earlier days, such a reasoning (A is more pro-town looking than B therefore I vote B!) would not suffice, but there are only two choices here so I couldn't blame you if you vote me for that.
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So since Zen already replied, here are my thoughts after that ISO read.
Zen is scummier than Brin. 3 arguments:
Townlynch wagons.
ISOs.
Ray Iso 2: Zen is town, zen's not revealing meta does not read scum, etc, askesis is focusing too much on zen, etc.
Ray Iso 18, 37: Zen is town.
Ray Iso 38, 72: Strongest town reads, Askesis and Zen.
Ray Iso 105: Zen still town.
Ray Iso 117: Zen most town, Brin most scummy out of Zen/TA/Brin.
Zen's Isos:
Earlier Isos 60, 63, 65: Zen was certain that Ray is town.
Later Isos 98, 101, 102: Ray is so scummy.
To me it looked like they were a scumteam trying to protect each other in the early game. But Zen seemed to be bussing Ray when it the entire atmosphere went towards a Ray lynch.
Zen - Brin interaction.
That whole drama of Zen calling Brin names, "trolling", etc. I feel that it was a smokescreen to divert attention. The whole banter was unnecessary and only served to confuse. I have no idea why you would even want to bring the definition of "troll" to this topic.
Argument 1:
You have no idea how bad I feel about that. But if you honestly read their defenses, you can see the logic behind my reasons to lynch. in a case-by-case point. I poked at the weakest parts of someone's defense/claim. If they could not convince me they were town, well, I voted them. I had a lynch where I was letting rayfrost manipulate my vote, but I had to stop flopping or it would have looked even more scummy. Oh which lynch was that >.<
Argument 2:
If you're using the fact that ray is pointing me as town, and using that as a partner connection. It makes better sense that ray would bus his partner rather than protect him, to look more town in the end. If mafia bus their partner, and then the flip is scum, it practically becomes auto-town points unless someone can spot a mafia connection between the too (its easy to make it obvious).
Also, I thought ray was town, his posting made sense in a lot of cases, and i could not tag him as scum (Hes a more advanced player than I). but later down the road i just started seeing him a scum, and partnered with BBmolla at that. Im not sure what set me off. it was possibly the process of elimination that lead me to the thought, but I could not find incriminating posts from him.
The way I see it, is that ray was using me to get some town cred if I flipped town. he possibly thought I would be a next lynch subject. But I appear to be scum on everyone's radar around the time. Look at molla, IIRC he hasn't pinned me as a full scum subject, and he has never paired me with anyone in a partner relations. I Called molla scum because he poked people without giving information himself. But that is his style. He trusts himself, and himself only. Which is a valid mindset to play, but it makes you look scummy to people who say "All town must give all reads/cases at all times", which i think its stupid. Easy Scum hiding grounds.
Argument 3:
a diversion? You can't call what I was doing "Trolling". I was very more or less aggressive to get him to partake int he game. You know he wasn't doing anything, nothing he said was content, it was all fluff, just to show he was there. Could I have not insulted him? Sure, but that is the way I play. I expect a lot of people to not like it, it angers them, and then gives me what I want. Information.
So what is confusing about the whole slam against brin? I did that same thing to askesis when he tunneled the shit out of me. In fact if you take any notice, he tunneled me so hard he practically ignore everything else. He was set on DBK, and Zenatsu. The whole CLT (Cop lying thing) was bullshit in itself, now that I am a bit more seasoned in the ways of mafia (Still a noob, no doubt). The more I look at the past, the more I see the asesis/brin slot scummy. I don't see you as scum much anymore as I read through the caches'.
Anything else my dear?
@voided:
I've been insulting and aggressive to Askesis and Brinatoo. Askesis was mainly agitation to myself repeating the same information. Brin, well, he started it, i pressed him harder and he broke. Was rather funny actually.
