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[Rosso Carne]

...bandwagon=lots of votes quick...

Uh, you voted me cuz im agressive.
[quote="serinah]
But then again if you continuously act as one then others are gonna think you unpleasant person.
[/quote]
If I'm so unpleasant, get replaced, don't sacrifice the game.

[Rosso Carne]

EBWODP

...bandwagon=lots of votes quick...

Uh, you voted me cuz im agressive.

But then again if you continuously act as one then others are gonna think you unpleasant person.

If I'm so unpleasant, get replaced, don't sacrifice the game.

[serinah80]

In review:

What bothers me the most are serinah's on again, of again relationship with me. It seems like every other post she changes her view of whether it's ethical to lynch someone for being a jerk, based on if the votes are falling my way. She jumps on every wagon started and pulls off whenever anyone else does, each time saying either "we cant lynch Rosso for being rude" or "let's lynch Rosso, no jerks in this town!" That just strikes me {as is I'd hope be obvious} of scummish behavior. YOU serinah, want someone lynched, and the votes have hit me the most, but once they fall away, youre gone too. EVERY TIME like clockwork.

My actions might have seen like jumping but I have only voted you twice or if I'm mistaking 3 times. First vote was random, I think I motivated it by you being rude.

After that I didn't vote for a long tima and I wasn't going to vote today at all but our continuous agressivness made me rethink.
Now here by "agressivness" I don't mean you being jerk but accusing different ppl often IMO "just because" and that made me think that you were a scum.

You say that I jump on your wagon on and off all the time. Well if participating in a discussion is jumping wagons then yes, I did. I never liked your behaviour and didn't hide it. But most of the time I wasn't even voting because I thought that for rudeness I cannot vote you. And when I decided that your constant accusative behaviour is scummy I voted you and have had my vote on since. No jumping in that department.

And I thought that scummy jumping is the type of jumping when any lynch would do. Well I'm not jumping on just anyone's wagons, am I? Just yours and I have always thought I had a good reason. Though your last two posts have actually been contributary.

[Rosso Carne]

If I had the patience to do a statistical analysis of how often you were voting me I would {and if someone really cares i will} but its pretty clear your attacks on me were backed on my original hit on varian. aside from random voting, I've attacked you BRob and twit. Hardly jumping.

[serinah80]

And again I say I didn't vote you because of being agressive but because your agressivness seems to be a way of getting someone lynshed. It is my opinion though but I hve a right to act on it.


Here are my votes throughout the game.

vote Maverick. post 18

unvote
vote Rosso Carne post 28

Unvote Rosso Crane
Fos: Maverick. post 51

vote: Rosso Crane post 182



Here are Rosso's:

vote:PBuG
unvote, vote:varian
unvote and throw a true and actual FOS:serinah
Vote:BRob
unvote, vote:twito


Actually I thought I'd find more votes by reading your(Rosso's) posts that really were pointy fingery.
But then again you thought about me voting many times for the same reason probably.

[serinah80]

BTW where's Warpdragon and Varian??

[Rosso Carne]

FTR, scratch the PBuG and varian votes please sirs.

[Maverick]

Gahhhh.. never right click "B" for bold at the top and hit undo... it erases your entire post!.. Alright here's this post for the second time for me:

I was finding Rosso Carne more suspicious before I left, but I really think he's town now. That long post made tons of good points and I agreed with lots of things he said, I'm actually starting to like Rosso he makes me laugh esp. because I noticed that Serinah was misspelling his name all along too.

I would have no problem believing that Twito and Serinah are scum together... Serinah has backed up Twito multiple times now, saying that she knows how he plays and that he's in too many games at the same time and that's why he's rushing things and being overly aggressive. Is that a good reason to rush things in each game, and be overly aggressive, it's not our fault he joined the game on top of many others as well as knowing that he was going to have to leave for a while. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have joined, but you can't expect a game to go by fast, although I would agree that this day is taking a bit too long.

For some reason I can't use my "B" thing atm, but I was going to FOS: Serinah80.

On top of that, where have many people gone..? Warpdragon, yellowbounder, Varian, Erotomachia*.. ect. We have a shortage of people here, and that's part of the reason this day is taking so long.

[ChannelDelibird]

Gahhhh.. never right click "B" for bold at the top and hit undo... it erases your entire post!.. Alright here's this post for the second time for me:

I was finding Rosso Carne more suspicious before I left, but I really think he's town now. That long post made tons of good points and I agreed with lots of things he said, I'm actually starting to like Rosso he makes me laugh esp. because I noticed that Serinah was misspelling his name all along too.

I would have no problem believing that Twito and Serinah are scum together... Serinah has backed up Twito multiple times now, saying that she knows how he plays and that he's in too many games at the same time and that's why he's rushing things and being overly aggressive. Is that a good reason to rush things in each game, and be overly aggressive, it's not our fault he joined the game on top of many others as well as knowing that he was going to have to leave for a while. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have joined, but you can't expect a game to go by fast, although I would agree that this day is taking a bit too long.

For some reason I can't use my "B" thing atm, but I was going to FOS: Serinah80.

On top of that, where have many people gone..? Warpdragon, yellowbounder, Varian, Erotomachia*.. ect. We have a shortage of people here, and that's part of the reason this day is taking so long.

Just physically type '

' and '[/b ]' (obviously without the spaces).

Also, just a note that I am prodding yellowbounder at every opportunity I get but his activity will be very limited until next Monday, which is the date of his last exam. If his activity doesn't pick up by then I will become suspicious.

I am in agreement with Rosso's analysis of his own bandwagon. I've never quite seen why he is viewed as quite so suspicious as he has been and I feel even more reassured after his longer analysis.

[B Rob]

We need to hear from Erotomachia, TB, yellowbounder, and Varian or his replacement.

Also, I keep getting accused of poor timing. People tend to agree with my actions and my reasons for those actions, but I get voted or FOS'd because... well, I just don't know! How long should I have waited before I unvoted Twito? My vote put him at five. PBuG's recent vote puts him at six. When would it have been acceptable for me to unvote? After he was lynched?

Somebody give me a freakin' clue here! CBD does the same thing and gets a free pass. Hell, he did it just now by unvoting Twito! He didn't even give any reason for his unvote!

Some responses to recent posts:

I do agree with the point that Maverick was trying to make (apart, obviously, from the first vote part), about you building what looked like a substantial case against Twito and suddenly saying 'I'm not seeing good enough reasons for this wagon'. If you didn't see good reasons for a wagon why did you hop onto it?

FoS: B Rob

Also,

unvote Twito

.

This is the only post of yours that would make me think you're scum. Do you honestly think what I said about Twito was such a good case? I was meerly pointing out how his post timing was questionable. That doesn't make him scummy by itslef. You take the time to accuse me, but you don't give a reson for your unvote!

B Rob Wrote:

This is a matter of opinion, so I suggest we move on to discussing something else. Twito's explanations are good, and I'm not seeing enough good reasons for this wagon, so I will Unvote.

Although I do agree that Twito made good points, I think the fact that you unvoting after basically being the one who started the Twito wagon is suspcious. You have done this before in this game, changed your opinion so spontainously.. so maybe it's just how you play.. I'm not sure.

So you think Twito is town, but I'm scum because of poor timing. Right.

What??? Where the hell are you getting that from??? I was the 5th vote on him, and I didn't even consider lynching him until this wagon started developing!

FOS Maverick

oh, come on, quit jumping around like this, BRob! You can't fos someone because they made some stupid mistake or thinking you did something you really didn't...

This accusation doesn't make sense.

#1, I've given reasons for my actions. Is there something in Twito's defense that you disagree with? Yes, I change my mind rather quickly sometimes,

but I give reasons for those changes

. Do you disagree with those reasons? You seem to think Twito is town. I agree. I see some of the mistakes he has made, and I find that I would make similar mistakes in his position.

#2, your reasons for accusing me all come from Maverick's defense. Maverick clearly stated that he thought I started the wagon, then totally retracted what he said. I'm not sure if I can explain it, but you're basing your suspicion on me off of what Maverick said.

And a scummy Twito wagon, Mr. BRob, you jump around more than some particular mexican beanz.

I'd be more willing to believe this accusation if you would take the time to respond to Twito's defense. If you think he's so scummy, then put your money where your mouth is.

[Rosso Carne]

pretty sure I have

[Rosso Carne]

in other news, Mr. BRob, I really have changed to thinking youre one of the few idiots with a head on your shoulders.

[B Rob]

pretty sure I have

I'm not so sure, but since I think you're town anyway, maybe I should drop it. I think you've been honest with us so far, even if I don't agree with you often.

[Maverick]

No, I don't necisarily think Twito is town, but I dont think he's scum necisarily either.. I'm undecided about Twito. I could easily see him being town, or scum. And i didn't say you had bad timing, I said you jumped around too much..

[serinah80]

Relax, BRob, did I say you were suspicious? No I only wanted to point out that he probably just made a mistake, no point in your getting upset over it.

btw if me defending Twito makes us scum together, then BRob is our third ally.
I think I have defended Maverick and CDB too at some point. Or at least disagreed with something said against them.

[Twito]

I've already said that we have plenty of summaries already. And more and more keep coming..
Posts where you provide your own thoughs are much more useful.

Anyways I read through Rossos defence and he still hits me as scumbag. I don't agree with his analyze about votes on him. And I'm just starting to trust my gut feeling(along with other stuff I've already said I find scummy about Rosso Carne). So my vote stays on Rosso.

[audacesiuvat]

chef855 replaces Varian.

Vote Count:

Twito (4): WarpDragon, Rosso Carne, yellowbounder, PBuG
Rosso Carne (3): TB, Twito, serinah80
B Rob (1): chef855

Not Voting (4): Maverick, Erotomachia, B Rob, ChannelDelibird

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

[chef855]

Unvote

until I can read more of the thread...

[Rosso Carne]

chef:I don't hate you.

[chef855]

really trully!?! wow... the feeling is mutual i guess....

[Rosso Carne]

look it up on wikipedia for proof,

[B Rob]

Damn. I liked playing with Varian.

[serinah80]

welcome, chef

[B Rob]

Oh sorry, welcome, chef! I'm sure a fresh perspective would be helpful.

[Twito]

I'm gonna be away couple of days coz of Midsummer day.